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R2 vs Sydney FC | Sun 15 Oct | 9:00pm | SS1

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over 8 years ago

So just like last season, not having Rossi there means we concede 2 more goals than when he is there ;)

Overall I am happy with where we are at though. Kind of immune to outrage at A League refs now, just resigned to them costing us points. But considering we still haven't put out a full strength team; we had less decent preseason games than other sides; we have an 18yo keeper; and that Sydney team's record over the last 18 months, I'm feeling really positive about what this season might bring.

I feel like we just seem like we have a squad that makes sense now, in a way which we haven't since Griffiths blew his ACL.  

Also when was the last time a Nix player scored from headers in consecutive matches? Vidosic could be our backup target man!

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over 8 years ago

Cantrun7 wrote:

What about a change in formation this week to 4-1-3-2

                          Smith

 Galloway    Mullen     Rossi      Doyle

                          Pariski

     Krishna       McGlinchy     Parkhouse

                    AK              VID

Assumes Finklers injured and Durante. If Rossi injured still, replace with Fox

Gives us the goal scorers up front. Provides speed of Krishna and Parkhouse out wide, both of whom will do the hard yards back when required.

not enough defensive cover/distributors in the middle of the park. We'd get overrun. Plus I don't think there's any point in changing the formation now while we're still gelling as a unit.

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over 8 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

Because I was bored... Krishna is number 30 on the all time top scorers list (9 above him are still playing). He averages a goal every 2.71 games which would currently put him 11th best on the below list with only Fornaroli, Berisha, Keogh and Taggart scoring at a better rate of current players.

Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

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over 8 years ago

Also when was the last time a Nix player scored from headers in consecutive matches? Vidosic could be our backup target man!

excellent, we need someone up there to hoof it too, who isn't offside the whole time
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over 8 years ago

I get what Conan is saying about the 4-1-3-2  however if we tried it how Klopp did a few years ago with Dortmund where the Fullbacks dont press quite as high as usual today, and the left and right wings track back when required, it would provide defensive cover - i think its worth the coach having as 2nd or third option at least in his tool bag with the players we have.

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over 8 years ago

Chris Kerr wrote:

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Abbas offside is unfortunate but a common hard one with defender and attacker going opposite directions with lateral separation - probably the hardest to get right.

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what also made it hard was Watson standing miles offside where he was.  Linos thinking if he plays it now offside, if he plays it now offside.  If Watson is onside, more chance of call re Abbas being correct.

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over 8 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Because I was bored... Krishna is number 30 on the all time top scorers list (9 above him are still playing). He averages a goal every 2.71 games which would currently put him 11th best on the below list with only Fornaroli, Berisha, Keogh and Taggart scoring at a better rate of current players.

Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Like..uh..that striker we signed that scored?

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over 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Missed the game - big weekend and in bed by 7pm. Looks like a reasonable result and game from the Highlights. 

How'd Smith go?

Goals from the highlights didn't look to be necessarily his fault - albeit positioning could've been a bit better but that's to be expected when blooding a young player. 

I thought Smith was far better this week despite conceding 3. He had a couple of poor moments where he dropped the ball under no pressurr and one where he passed straight to a Sydney player - but all in all his distribution was very good and he looked more confident. 

Thanks for the update. Good to hear. Here's hoping he continues improving on a game by game basis.

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over 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Because I was bored... Krishna is number 30 on the all time top scorers list (9 above him are still playing). He averages a goal every 2.71 games which would currently put him 11th best on the below list with only Fornaroli, Berisha, Keogh and Taggart scoring at a better rate of current players.

Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Like..uh..that striker we signed that scored?

Two goals in two games......

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over 8 years ago

McGlinchey has 21??!?!?!?!

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over 8 years ago

Watson continually running offside is unforgiveable

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over 8 years ago

threatD wrote:

McGlinchey has 21??!?!?!?!

Got to remember this is his 9th season in the A-league, so he is averaging 2.33 goals a season.

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over 8 years ago

I am impressed with Darije's reaction, recognizing our own weaknesses and strengths and filing the Smurfs' weaknesses away for future use.


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over 8 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Missed the game - big weekend and in bed by 7pm. Looks like a reasonable result and game from the Highlights. 

How'd Smith go?

Goals from the highlights didn't look to be necessarily his fault - albeit positioning could've been a bit better but that's to be expected when blooding a young player. 

He looked a lot better, but will almost certainly at some point lose the ball or misplace a pass that will cost us. 

I was watching the EPL highlights this week Huddersfield v Swansea and at one point the GK was playing the ball backward and forwards to his defenders and then passed it straight to an opposition player who then scored.

The comments guys was going mental, saying this new 'fad' of insisting on passing the ball EVERY time was doing his head in and at times it didn't seem the right thing to do but was so drummed into the GK that he was scared to hoof it.

I kinda agree with this, passing from the back is great, but there are times when a lump down the field is the better option.


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over 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I am impressed with Darije's reaction, recognizing our own weaknesses and strengths and filing the Smurfs' weaknesses away for future use.

I was thinking the same thing, him and Rado seem to approach things in a systematic and well thought out way that we haven't seen before. You could see it in the recruitment when they first started and it's continued throughout..

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over 8 years ago

Dougie Rydal wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Missed the game - big weekend and in bed by 7pm. Looks like a reasonable result and game from the Highlights. 

How'd Smith go?

Goals from the highlights didn't look to be necessarily his fault - albeit positioning could've been a bit better but that's to be expected when blooding a young player. 

He looked a lot better, but will almost certainly at some point lose the ball or misplace a pass that will cost us. 

I was watching the EPL highlights this week Huddersfield v Swansea and at one point the GK was playing the ball backward and forwards to his defenders and then passed it straight to an opposition player who then scored.

The comments guys was going mental, saying this new 'fad' of insisting on passing the ball EVERY time was doing his head in and at times it didn't seem the right thing to do but was so drummed into the GK that he was scared to hoof it.

I kinda agree with this, passing from the back is great, but there are times when a lump down the field is the better option.

Having possession is the best way to score goals and also to stop the other team scoring. It can get hairy but it makes sense.

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over 8 years ago

Dougie Rydal wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Missed the game - big weekend and in bed by 7pm. Looks like a reasonable result and game from the Highlights. 

How'd Smith go?

Goals from the highlights didn't look to be necessarily his fault - albeit positioning could've been a bit better but that's to be expected when blooding a young player. 

He looked a lot better, but will almost certainly at some point lose the ball or misplace a pass that will cost us. 

I was watching the EPL highlights this week Huddersfield v Swansea and at one point the GK was playing the ball backward and forwards to his defenders and then passed it straight to an opposition player who then scored.

The comments guys was going mental, saying this new 'fad' of insisting on passing the ball EVERY time was doing his head in and at times it didn't seem the right thing to do but was so drummed into the GK that he was scared to hoof it.

I kinda agree with this, passing from the back is great, but there are times when a lump down the field is the better option.

i too saw that game when the commentator was losing the plot - i think it was typical english thinking - not weighing up the positives of playing out the of back because of the chance of an error.  

In the nix game there were plenty of times when Keegan went long - i think the key is to mix it up and I think he did that quite well.

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over 8 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

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Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Isn't it interesting that all of our best strikers were foreign raised, apart from Smeltz, Brockie and Kosta.  We seem to have produced decent goalies, midfielders and defenders, but few recent home-grown strikers of quality.  I am not counting Wynton Rufer here who was clearly an exception as he performed for the Kingz even in his "advanced" (for a striker) years.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Mainland FC wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

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Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Isn't it interesting that all of our best strikers were foreign raised, apart from Smeltz, Brockie and Kosta.  We seem to have produced decent goalies, midfielders and defenders, but few recent home-grown strikers of quality.  I am not counting Wynton Rufer here who was clearly an exception as he performed for the Kingz even in his "advanced" (for a striker) years.

The decent players like Wood bypass us and go straight overseas.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

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Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Isn't it interesting that all of our best strikers were foreign raised, apart from Smeltz, Brockie and Kosta.  We seem to have produced decent goalies, midfielders and defenders, but few recent home-grown strikers of quality.  I am not counting Wynton Rufer here who was clearly an exception as he performed for the Kingz even in his "advanced" (for a striker) years.

The decent players like Wood bypass us and go straight overseas.

Out of sheer curiosity, have Winston Reid, Tommy Smith, Chris Wood, ever played at a club level in New Zealand?

If I recall, for Reid the answer would be no, because he is a product of Danish football. Not sure about Smith, or for that matter even Smeltz.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Mainland FC wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

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Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Isn't it interesting that all of our best strikers were foreign raised, apart from Smeltz, Brockie and Kosta.  We seem to have produced decent goalies, midfielders and defenders, but few recent home-grown strikers of quality.  I am not counting Wynton Rufer here who was clearly an exception as he performed for the Kingz even in his "advanced" (for a striker) years.

The decent players like Wood bypass us and go straight overseas.

Out of sheer curiosity, have Winston Reid, Tommy Smith, Chris Wood, ever played at a club level in New Zealand?

If I recall, for Reid the answer would be no, because he is a product of Danish football. Not sure about Smith, or for that matter even Smeltz.

Wood did. Played for Hamilton Wanderers. Reid played for Takapuna up to age 13 I think. 

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over 8 years ago

Smith and Smeltz came through the UK and Australian systems respectively.

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over 8 years ago

Smeltz used to play for Napier City Rovers I think

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

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Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Isn't it interesting that all of our best strikers were foreign raised, apart from Smeltz, Brockie and Kosta.  We seem to have produced decent goalies, midfielders and defenders, but few recent home-grown strikers of quality.  I am not counting Wynton Rufer here who was clearly an exception as he performed for the Kingz even in his "advanced" (for a striker) years.

The decent players like Wood bypass us and go straight overseas.

Out of sheer curiosity, have Winston Reid, Tommy Smith, Chris Wood, ever played at a club level in New Zealand?

If I recall, for Reid the answer would be no, because he is a product of Danish football. Not sure about Smith, or for that matter even Smeltz.

Wood did. Played for Hamilton Wanderers. Reid played for Takapuna up to age 13 I think. 

Got to play against Chris Wood when I was younger, I can remember him beating the goalie and had a open goal before I came in and stopped the ball from going in!!!

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over 8 years ago

chopah wrote:

Dougie Rydal wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Missed the game - big weekend and in bed by 7pm. Looks like a reasonable result and game from the Highlights. 

How'd Smith go?

Goals from the highlights didn't look to be necessarily his fault - albeit positioning could've been a bit better but that's to be expected when blooding a young player. 

He looked a lot better, but will almost certainly at some point lose the ball or misplace a pass that will cost us. 

I was watching the EPL highlights this week Huddersfield v Swansea and at one point the GK was playing the ball backward and forwards to his defenders and then passed it straight to an opposition player who then scored.

The comments guys was going mental, saying this new 'fad' of insisting on passing the ball EVERY time was doing his head in and at times it didn't seem the right thing to do but was so drummed into the GK that he was scared to hoof it.

I kinda agree with this, passing from the back is great, but there are times when a lump down the field is the better option.

i too saw that game when the commentator was losing the plot - i think it was typical english thinking - not weighing up the positives of playing out the of back because of the chance of an error.  

In the nix game there were plenty of times when Keegan went long - i think the key is to mix it up and I think he did that quite well.

The other impressive thing was when he went "long" he didn't just try and boot it as far as possible, he actually tried to find a player.  He needs to move the ball more quickly but aside from that his distribution was really good.  I think he also needs to bulk up a bit! 

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

Smeltz used to play for Napier City Rovers I think

Correct, remember him as the Napier star in a great cup final, Miramar v Napier at a packed Newtown Park

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over 8 years ago

NHpeter wrote:

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Got to play against Chris Wood when I was younger, I can remember him beating the goalie and had a open goal before I came in and stopped the ball from going in!!!

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over 8 years ago

Does anyone else see a physical resemblence between Keegan-Smith and Winston Reid??

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

The other impressive thing was when he went "long" he didn't just try and boot it as far as possible, he actually tried to find a player.  He needs to move the ball more quickly but aside from that his distribution was really good.  I think he also needs to bulk up a bit! 

Soooo refreshing to see your team not going for a 50/50 long ball almost every time it's in the keepers hands.  

Plus I get a much better adrenaline hit, every time it looks like we might screw up playing out from the back.  lols

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over 8 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

james dean wrote:

The other impressive thing was when he went "long" he didn't just try and boot it as far as possible, he actually tried to find a player.  He needs to move the ball more quickly but aside from that his distribution was really good.  I think he also needs to bulk up a bit! 

Soooo refreshing to see your team not going for a 50/50 long ball almost every time it's in the keepers hands.  

Plus I get a much better adrenaline hit, every time it looks like we might screw up playing out from the back.  lols

Yes i fully agree, and yes he did at times go 'longer', just gives me the sharks sometimes, but he's young and will learn with experience. On a related note, this from Piney today...


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over 8 years ago

Considering some of the howlers by keepers in the league this week, I think our boy did quite well comparatively.

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over 8 years ago

NHpeter wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

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Good table..still notastriker tho.  Would be fantastic if we had a striker like Smeltz again to complement Roy and his work rate..

Isn't it interesting that all of our best strikers were foreign raised, apart from Smeltz, Brockie and Kosta.  We seem to have produced decent goalies, midfielders and defenders, but few recent home-grown strikers of quality.  I am not counting Wynton Rufer here who was clearly an exception as he performed for the Kingz even in his "advanced" (for a striker) years.

The decent players like Wood bypass us and go straight overseas.

Out of sheer curiosity, have Winston Reid, Tommy Smith, Chris Wood, ever played at a club level in New Zealand?

If I recall, for Reid the answer would be no, because he is a product of Danish football. Not sure about Smith, or for that matter even Smeltz.

Wood did. Played for Hamilton Wanderers. Reid played for Takapuna up to age 13 I think. 

Got to play against Chris Wood when I was younger, I can remember him beating the goalie and had a open goal before I came in and stopped the ball from going in!!!

He was 7 and you were 23?
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over 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Considering some of the howlers by keepers in the league this week, I think our boy did quite well comparatively.

I was much more comfortable with him this week, I wish him all the best in a long and successul career
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over 8 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

james dean wrote:

The other impressive thing was when he went "long" he didn't just try and boot it as far as possible, he actually tried to find a player.  He needs to move the ball more quickly but aside from that his distribution was really good.  I think he also needs to bulk up a bit! 

Soooo refreshing to see your team not going for a 50/50 long ball almost every time it's in the keepers hands.  

Plus I get a much better adrenaline hit, every time it looks like we might screw up playing out from the back.  lols

I said that for ages about Moss (every kick was long and straight up the middle) and got pelters 

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Considering some of the howlers by keepers in the league this week, I think our boy did quite well comparatively.

I was much more comfortable with him this week, I wish him all the best in a long and successul career

I was pretty impressed after being a harsh critic last week. To improve that much away from home against the best team in the league - can't ask much more. Obviously he will make some howlers this season - it is inevitable - but he has now shown why he was picked.

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

james dean wrote:

The other impressive thing was when he went "long" he didn't just try and boot it as far as possible, he actually tried to find a player.  He needs to move the ball more quickly but aside from that his distribution was really good.  I think he also needs to bulk up a bit! 

Soooo refreshing to see your team not going for a 50/50 long ball almost every time it's in the keepers hands.  

Plus I get a much better adrenaline hit, every time it looks like we might screw up playing out from the back.  lols

I said that for ages about Moss (every kick was long and straight up the middle) and got pelters 

The first time he was at the Nix, instead of straight up the middle, they used to go straight out over the sideline. Great shot stopper and penalty saver but that was it. His distribution & choices was really bad.

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

I said that for ages about Moss (every kick was long and straight up the middle) and got pelters 

Damn, I'd love to play for a team good enough that they wanted the ball to feet or even throws, rather than demanding hoofball up the middle ;)


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over 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

james dean wrote:

I said that for ages about Moss (every kick was long and straight up the middle) and got pelters 

Damn, I'd love to play for a team good enough that they wanted the ball to feet or even throws, rather than demanding hoofball up the middle ;)

To play out from the back your fullbacks need to be the best passers in the team (par with CMs), if they don’t have the ability the willingness means nothing. Kind of my only concern with the tactics we’re going for - I like it in theory, I just hope our players are up to it. 

Fuck this stupid game

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over 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

james dean wrote:

I said that for ages about Moss (every kick was long and straight up the middle) and got pelters 

Damn, I'd love to play for a team good enough that they wanted the ball to feet or even throws, rather than demanding hoofball up the middle ;)

And it always takes 30seconds for the team to gather in 20x20m part of the pitch, boring.

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