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R20 vs Melbourne City | Sat 18th Feb | 7:35pm | RoF

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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

Ryan wrote:

I don't know where all this talk of how great our squad is has come from. It's not a great squad.

Merrick said it.

Ah right

As someone else said though, that's the role of a good coach- to give the players the self belief to try things, to not be intimidated, and to believe they will win from anywhere, even when they are behind. In our great season, even when we were down I always expected us to come back...Should he have told them they were average?

No, I'm not saying he shouldn't have said it, I just don't know why so many people seem to have believed it.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 9 years ago

It's about now that the Board comes out and says they back the coaches.....

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

Ryan wrote:

I don't know where all this talk of how great our squad is has come from. It's not a great squad.

Merrick said it.

Ah right

As someone else said though, that's the role of a good coach- to give the players the self belief to try things, to not be intimidated, and to believe they will win from anywhere, even when they are behind. In our great season, even when we were down I always expected us to come back...Should he have told them they were average?

Might be an idea in there. Reminds me of a Brian Clough story when Stuart Pearce received quite a bad knock and was lying on the pitch being attended by the Doctor. The Doctor says to Clough "He doesn't know who he is", Cloughy says "Tell him he's Pele and play him up front"
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about 9 years ago

What was the crowd figure for last night. I missed it up on the big screen.

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about 9 years ago

6100 croud

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 9 years ago
~6125 and after the fifth goal 3452. Super depressing to see people leaving. Any info about Krishna's injury? Talking about strikers, 99% of the deliveries into the box went direct to the opposite player. It's was so bad, basic 101 football.
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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

I think what gets me is the total lack of apparent professionalism, the things you would expect full time players to work on. Our corners and free kicks look like a Sunday pub side to me. There is no apparent plan or any innovation, or anything that may surprise a defence. In general play they appears to be no plan b, or any extra urgency shown when we are behind. As for penalties, well we are going into games with no-one who can take penalties or who appears to have practiced the necessary skills. finkler and smeltz can take penalties. Barbarouses and Krishna can't. As for free kicks in their half where we regularly roll the ball backwards to our back four, all I can say is that is pathetic. 

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about 9 years ago

I would say penalty taking is not a bigger problem compared to the other problems we have.  Even messi and ronaldo miss penalties.

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about 9 years ago

I would say penalty taking is not a bigger problem compared to the other problems we have.  Even messi and ronaldo miss penalties.

it's not the missing, they clearly don't have the technique!
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about 9 years ago

Fenix wrote:

As for penalties, well we are going into games with no-one who can take penalties or who appears to have practiced the necessary skills. finkler and smeltz can take penalties. Barbarouses and Krishna can't. 

No one's mentioned Roly - he has taken and scored pens

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about 9 years ago

Fenix wrote:

As for penalties, well we are going into games with no-one who can take penalties or who appears to have practiced the necessary skills. finkler and smeltz can take penalties. Barbarouses and Krishna can't. 

No one's mentioned Roly - he has taken and scored pens

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about 9 years ago

Royal wrote:

Fenix wrote:

As for penalties, well we are going into games with no-one who can take penalties or who appears to have practiced the necessary skills. finkler and smeltz can take penalties. Barbarouses and Krishna can't. 

No one's mentioned Roly - he has taken and scored pens

and missed them too - missed one in the crucial game against Sydney FC that could have put us in second place on the table that we lost 2-1

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about 9 years ago

I noticed at halftime that all the Melbourne B players were huddled together high fiving each other and back-slapping and generally looking like a group of guys who got on and wanted to play together while our guys were all over the place not looking at each other and just trudging off. I think that's not only a symptom of our crisis but also part of the cause.with the exception of Dura's angry shouting there's no passion or obvious team pride. Some NBA teams make a deliberate effort to high five or hug more because it's socially bonding and statistically teams which do it more win more.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/can-h...

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about 9 years ago

so so disappointed bt the performance of the nix in this game. Midfield was pathetic and melbourne went through like a knife through butter.

defence - oh dear

Some of the passing was ok but for some reason it was hit either too hard or the passee did not have the basic skills to control it

Time for Kosta to have some bench time. I know he scored a goal but doesnt pass when he should, crosses are less than average and corners and free kicks are almost of a joke quality....and penalties

far and away one of the poorer performances the nix have served up and a restructure, change of tactic is in order tout suite!

Incidentally whilst i realise the melbourne backslapping, man love that occurred when goals are scored, half time and even fulltime i just found a bit creepy

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about 9 years ago

 WE got #RuffedUp big time. Meeting #Metrics

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about 9 years ago

I noticed at halftime that all the Melbourne B players were huddled together high fiving each other and back-slapping and generally looking like a group of guys who got on and wanted to play together while our guys were all over the place not looking at each other and just trudging off. I think that's not only a symptom of our crisis but also part of the cause.with the exception of Dura's angry shouting there's no passion or obvious team pride. Some NBA teams make a deliberate effort to high five or hug more because it's socially bonding and statistically teams which do it more win more.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/can-h...

I agree. We love single out players or the coaches as targets, the team is not working, something is wrong within it. They all can play much better football in theoory. I thought not bringing a in a new coach was a big mistake, an outsider, even short term, someone who can reset the team. Des and Greenie must have a good plan on paper, but the club needed more of motivator, mentor to build them the up as a team.

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about 9 years ago

number8 wrote:

I noticed at halftime that all the Melbourne B players were huddled together high fiving each other and back-slapping and generally looking like a group of guys who got on and wanted to play together while our guys were all over the place not looking at each other and just trudging off. I think that's not only a symptom of our crisis but also part of the cause.with the exception of Dura's angry shouting there's no passion or obvious team pride. Some NBA teams make a deliberate effort to high five or hug more because it's socially bonding and statistically teams which do it more win more.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/can-h...

I agree. We love single out players or the coaches as targets, the team is not working, something is wrong within it. They all can play much better football in theoory. I thought not bringing a in a new coach was a big mistake, an outsider, even short term, someone who can reset the team. Des and Greenie must have a good plan on paper, but the club needed more of motivator, mentor to build them the up as a team.

we are gonna need to appoint a decent new manager right now I think, just to have a chance of recruiting any new players or even keeping some of our better ones.
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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

Fenix wrote:

number8 wrote:

I noticed at halftime that all the Melbourne B players were huddled together high fiving each other and back-slapping and generally looking like a group of guys who got on and wanted to play together while our guys were all over the place not looking at each other and just trudging off. I think that's not only a symptom of our crisis but also part of the cause.with the exception of Dura's angry shouting there's no passion or obvious team pride. Some NBA teams make a deliberate effort to high five or hug more because it's socially bonding and statistically teams which do it more win more.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/can-h...

I agree. We love single out players or the coaches as targets, the team is not working, something is wrong within it. They all can play much better football in theoory. I thought not bringing a in a new coach was a big mistake, an outsider, even short term, someone who can reset the team. Des and Greenie must have a good plan on paper, but the club needed more of motivator, mentor to build them the up as a team.

we are gonna need to appoint a decent new manager right now I think, just to have a chance of recruiting any new players or even keeping some of our better ones.

#bringbackrickie Kick some arse RH

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I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 9 years ago

That doesn't look good.

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about 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

That doesn't look good.

And with the elbow to Doyle... weakening his legacy he had with us

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about 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:
Rubbish he was just as confrontational when he played with us why should it have any affect on his legacy if he has taken that same style to his new team. Any way isnt he just saying to Kosta "nice dive son thats worth a10"

That doesn't look good.

And with the elbow to Doyle... weakening his legacy he had with us


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 9 years ago

ballane wrote:

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:
Rubbish he was just as confrontational when he played with us why should it have any affect on his legacy if he has taken that same style to his new team. Any way isnt he just saying to Kosta "nice dive son thats worth a10"

That doesn't look good.

And with the elbow to Doyle... weakening his legacy he had with us

Another straight red.

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about 9 years ago

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

A fan is a fan.

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about 9 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

Manny was leading with a raised elbow. 

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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

yellowsite wrote:

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

Turn it up. How would you explain that photo?

I actually saw the incident, but would be interested in how you interperate that pic.

The Doyle incident, i can see as being a protective reaction, but still at least a bookable offence nowadays.

Manny has always been a thug, It was curtailed a little in the Ernie era, but maybe he is now playing with cods week in week out, the thug in him is re-emerging 

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about 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

Turn it up. How would you explain that photo?

I actually saw the incident, but would be interested in how you interperate that pic.

The Doyle incident, i can see as being a protective reaction, but still at least a bookable offence nowadays.

Manny has always been a thug, It was curtailed a little in the Ernie era, but maybe he is now playing with cods week in week out, the thug in him is re-emerging 

I reckon that City players are instructed to push the limits and are able to rely on their excellent squad depth when suspensions occur. The penalty for lots of yellows is not as big for them as it is for other clubs.

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about 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

Turn it up. How would you explain that photo?

I actually saw the incident, but would be interested in how you interperate that pic.

The Doyle incident, i can see as being a protective reaction, but still at least a bookable offence nowadays.

Manny has always been a thug, It was curtailed a little in the Ernie era, but maybe he is now playing with cods week in week out, the thug in him is re-emerging 

Agreed, Manny was a very able player for us but I was never a  fan of his filthy tactics.

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about 9 years ago

hey guys, not being the sharpest tool in the toolbox, an anyone just fill me in on what part of the salary cap loan players come under?

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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about 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

hat doesn't look good.

And with the elbow to Doyle... weakening his legacy he had with us

Eh, my view of that and it seems the refs, is that Doyle was barreling into him at a hundred miles with a point to prove to a former legend of the 'Nix and Manny backed off and protected himself and Doyle charged into him. 

Still not a good look with the blood...



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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

hat doesn't look good.

And with the elbow to Doyle... weakening his legacy he had with us

Eh, my view of that and it seems the refs, is that Doyle was barreling into him at a hundred miles with a point to prove to a former legend of the 'Nix and Manny backed off and protected himself and Doyle charged into him. 

Still not a good look with the blood...

From memory did not look that way from the behind the southern goal, neither slowed up, Manny looked up just before his arm got raised to miss Doyle,s shoulder, can't have wanted to dislocate it. 

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about 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

martinb wrote:

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

hat doesn't look good.

And with the elbow to Doyle... weakening his legacy he had with us

Eh, my view of that and it seems the refs, is that Doyle was barreling into him at a hundred miles with a point to prove to a former legend of the 'Nix and Manny backed off and protected himself and Doyle charged into him. 

Still not a good look with the blood...

From memory did not look that way from the behind the southern goal, neither slowed up, Manny looked up just before his arm got raised to miss Doyle,s shoulder, can't have wanted to dislocate it. 

Right into the chin

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about 9 years ago

Straight red on that last replay.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

Turn it up. How would you explain that photo?

I actually saw the incident, but would be interested in how you interperate that pic.

The Doyle incident, i can see as being a protective reaction, but still at least a bookable offence nowadays.

Manny has always been a thug, It was curtailed a little in the Ernie era, but maybe he is now playing with cods week in week out, the thug in him is re-emerging 

No argument with the bold sentence above. I saw it as two players coming together and not a lot more, maybe yellow for the raised arm but I don't think he was trying to take Doyle out.

As for the pic above, doesn't look particularly good. Fairly damning, although it is only one frame

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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about 9 years ago

Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Turn it up. Doyle Muscat was a coming together.
You can't persecute someone from a single photo frame.
Shameful treatment of an ex player.

Turn it up. How would you explain that photo?

I actually saw the incident, but would be interested in how you interperate that pic.

The Doyle incident, i can see as being a protective reaction, but still at least a bookable offence nowadays.

Manny has always been a thug, It was curtailed a little in the Ernie era, but maybe he is now playing with cods week in week out, the thug in him is re-emerging 

No argument with the bold sentence above. I saw it as two players coming together and not a lot more, maybe yellow for the raised arm but I don't think he was trying to take Doyle out.

As for the pic above, doesn't look particularly good. Fairly damning, although it is only one frame

yeah.  Doyles own too footed sruds up lunge late in the game was actually worse imo
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about 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Every player should be held accountable for last Saturday. If you were there, you wwould understand because we saw a lot of stuff off the ball, not just on it.

Please, continue (in the appropriate thread)


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about 9 years ago

I noticed on Simon Hamptons story last night a couple of forumites have minor celebrity status - Valeo and Sackofspuds posts were zoomed in on.

In the same story, Rob Morrison wanted to come out and apologise to fans.  If you're reading this Rob, it's never too late.

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about 9 years ago

I noticed on Simon Hamptons story last night a couple of forumites have minor celebrity status - Valeo and Sackofspuds posts were zoomed in on.

In the same story, Rob Morrison wanted to come out and apologise to fans.  If you're reading this Rob, it's never too late.

Had a laugh at that sat there waiting for Rob to come on.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 9 years ago

I noticed at halftime that all the Melbourne B players were huddled together high fiving each other and back-slapping and generally looking like a group of guys who got on and wanted to play together while our guys were all over the place not looking at each other and just trudging off. I think that's not only a symptom of our crisis but also part of the cause.with the exception of Dura's angry shouting there's no passion or obvious team pride. Some NBA teams make a deliberate effort to high five or hug more because it's socially bonding and statistically teams which do it more win more.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/can-h...

Agree with the sentiment.  Not sure how I would have felt at half time and full time if I saw our guys high fiving for that performance.

Basketball is a bit different cause the players are constantly netting goals thus the score board is always ticking over.

Maybe they need to do a team building day out.

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Also Americans are a touchy feely lot, when I was working over there we had a social baseball team and everyone was high fiving all the time, and you see all the time on TV that it's common for guys to slap each other on the arse, etc. 

Kiwis are a bit more reserved.

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about 9 years ago

I noticed at halftime that all the Melbourne B players were huddled together high fiving each other and back-slapping and generally looking like a group of guys who got on and wanted to play together while our guys were all over the place not looking at each other and just trudging off. I think that's not only a symptom of our crisis but also part of the cause.with the exception of Dura's angry shouting there's no passion or obvious team pride. Some NBA teams make a deliberate effort to high five or hug more because it's socially bonding and statistically teams which do it more win more.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/can-h...

Agree with the sentiment.  Not sure how I would have felt at half time and full time if I saw our guys high fiving for that performance.

Basketball is a bit different cause the players are constantly netting goals thus the score board is always ticking over.

Maybe they need to do a team building day out.

You can do it after a good shot or tackle or something too when the ball is out of play. And we wouldn't have to be high fiving after that performance but at least huddled round or putting hands on each other's backs and things like that. Because positive physical contact releases the hormone oxytocin which promotes social bonding and empathy, and has been proven to enhance individual and team performance in team sports.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC34448...

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