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almost 10 years ago

holeinone wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Bevan wrote:

What has frustrated me with Ernie has been his persistence with one tactical approach. With the exception of our smash and grab away at WSW we have stuck with the same shape and approach despite it clearly not working. Even in the last few games we haven't changed it and tried something different even though our season is over. I'd like to see a bit of experimentation and to see how we handle a different shape and approach against A League opposition.

The slow build-up wasn't working last night.

We should have put in a few long balls.

We weren't making use of Krishna's pace or Watson's ability in the air.

our slow build up never works its painful. Id like to think krishna and powell would improve if we werent so negative in our approach. They can both finish, they just aint getting any sort of service. I wouldn't give up riera yet, maybe hes carrying a niggle, i think hes been our main man when playing on his own in front of the defence. I dont like it when he plays with lia. Mcglincheys out of position i think too. fox will be fine next uear, and im not sure why we aint seeing more of gulley and travaskos. Id certainly shake the team up that played last night.

travaskos (donaskos) is being let go by the club so i guess that is why they have not being using him

Lol, knew his name was something like that! Didnt think he was that bad.
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almost 10 years ago
Who are our marquees ??
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almost 10 years ago

hepatitis wrote:
Who are our marquees ??

A fan is a fan.

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almost 10 years ago

Next season Gui and Kosta apparently, don't know if we have any this season.

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almost 10 years ago

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(----)I think a complete overhaul is necessary and it needs to happen in the off season or the Phoenix will be bottom this time next year. Having said that Costa and Finkler are good signings although I'm a little confused about Finkler! Why has he chosen to come to Wellington? Its not for the football, last night would have proven that! And, if he is so good, why has the Victory let him go?

Clearly he's coming here for the weather

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Next season Gui and Kosta apparently, don't know if we have any this season.

If they are why don't we announce them accordingly

I don't get the clubs attitude around that

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almost 10 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Next season Gui and Kosta apparently, don't know if we have any this season.

If they are why don't we announce them accordingly

I don't get the clubs attitude around that

they said it in the press releases I thought?
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Must have missed it, will look

Edit, can't see it

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almost 10 years ago

Maybe it was in the victory press release or maybe just rumored. I'll try and dig it up tomorrow.

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almost 10 years ago

Just did a quick Google on my phone and every article except the nix say that Gui is a marquee, as far as Kosta goes it says rumored to be a big money marquee.

So yes the club hasn't advertised the fact, as they didn't advertise burns.

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almost 10 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

hepatitis wrote:
Who are our marquees ??

I knew someone would do that!

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almost 10 years ago

What would have been funny on Saturday night would have been the club announcing over the PA system or just before kickoff, or parading, our two new signings.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

What would have been funny on Saturday night would have been the club announcing over the PA system or just before kickoff, or parading, our two new signings.

Or as in some exhibition games I've seen, make them change at half time from MVU to the Nix strip. 

Would be worth it just for the look on Kev Muscat's face.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 10 years ago

Fenix wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

hepatitis wrote:
Who are our marquees ??

I knew someone would do that!

The writing was on the wall on saturday, as our two marquees didn't show up!

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almost 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 10 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

valeo wrote:

I don't think Ernie had a good squad when he took over.

I think it's fair to say that Ernie hasn't done a great job in his time here results-wise. He's done well facing the media, done well getting things setup behind the scenes and largely hasn't done too badly recruitment-wise - but except for last season (where we completely and utterly choked at the end of it) he's not done well by any standard. I don't think anyone can really argue that.

There have been mitigating circumstances but only this season I would say they have directly impacted on performances - Krishna's injury, Sarpong not being a footballer and the protracted license negotiations have combined to make for a pretty shark season.

In saying that, could we attract a coach of higher quality? Who knows.

I think we could definitely get a better coach. More likely to be a younger coach trying to make their way in the game .....

So someone like say... Anthony Hudson?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

valeo wrote:

I don't think Ernie had a good squad when he took over.

I think it's fair to say that Ernie hasn't done a great job in his time here results-wise. He's done well facing the media, done well getting things setup behind the scenes and largely hasn't done too badly recruitment-wise - but except for last season (where we completely and utterly choked at the end of it) he's not done well by any standard. I don't think anyone can really argue that.

There have been mitigating circumstances but only this season I would say they have directly impacted on performances - Krishna's injury, Sarpong not being a footballer and the protracted license negotiations have combined to make for a pretty shark season.

In saying that, could we attract a coach of higher quality? Who knows.

I think we could definitely get a better coach. More likely to be a younger coach trying to make their way in the game .....

So someone like say... Anthony Hudson?

Noooooo!!!!!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

valeo wrote:

I don't think Ernie had a good squad when he took over.

I think it's fair to say that Ernie hasn't done a great job in his time here results-wise. He's done well facing the media, done well getting things setup behind the scenes and largely hasn't done too badly recruitment-wise - but except for last season (where we completely and utterly choked at the end of it) he's not done well by any standard. I don't think anyone can really argue that.

There have been mitigating circumstances but only this season I would say they have directly impacted on performances - Krishna's injury, Sarpong not being a footballer and the protracted license negotiations have combined to make for a pretty shark season.

In saying that, could we attract a coach of higher quality? Who knows.

I think we could definitely get a better coach. More likely to be a younger coach trying to make their way in the game .....

So someone like say... Anthony Hudson?

Noooooo!!!!!

Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights!

I like tautologies because I like them.
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almost 10 years ago

What if... What if Dura's great header hadn't been saved on Saturday? It's all a matter of centimetres.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 10 years ago

Or even Wee macs free kick.two inches lower could have made a difference. His one shining moment in the whole game.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

The guy KNEW how to win a title - he has clearly forgotten.

He was Coach of the year in 2010, & sacked in March 2011, we don't appear to have very high standards, as we keep settling for mediocrity.

Thankfully the metrics required by the FFA are all about the money & not about the quality of football, so it would appear we are safe for a few more mediocre years!

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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almost 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

That is a dull narrative, a title winning coach remains the key to winning again.

Would you hire Wenger if you wanted to win the Premere League?

A fan is a fan.

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almost 10 years ago

Irony is not lost with Wenger. Made me LOL!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 10 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

The guy KNEW how to win a title - he has clearly forgotten.

He was Coach of the year in 2010, & sacked in March 2011, we don't appear to have very high standards, as we keep settling for mediocrity.

Thankfully the metrics required by the FFA are all about the money & not about the quality of football, so it would appear we are safe for a few more mediocre years!

How would we have felt if John Aloisi was appointed coach considering his record with Heart - what was it, 17 games without a win? Would you rather we have Arnold, given his more recent record in the HAL, and have a season like we and SFC are having now but with Arnold, the big sook; or what about if WSW sacked Popovic after WSW horrid run last season - would you think he would be a good manager considering he just got sacked (but look at how well they are going now)?

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almost 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

The guy KNEW how to win a title - he has clearly forgotten.

He was Coach of the year in 2010, & sacked in March 2011, we don't appear to have very high standards, as we keep settling for mediocrity.

Thankfully the metrics required by the FFA are all about the money & not about the quality of football, so it would appear we are safe for a few more mediocre years!

How would we have felt if John Aloisi was appointed coach considering his record with Heart - what was it, 17 games without a win? Would you rather we have Arnold, given his more recent record in the HAL, and have a season like we and SFC are having now but with Arnold, the big sook; or what about if WSW sacked Popovic after WSW horrid run last season - would you think he would be a good manager considering he just got sacked (but look at how well they are going now)?

I'm pretty sure that I<3Nix would be more than happy!

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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almost 10 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

The guy KNEW how to win a title - he has clearly forgotten.

He was Coach of the year in 2010, & sacked in March 2011, we don't appear to have very high standards, as we keep settling for mediocrity.

Thankfully the metrics required by the FFA are all about the money & not about the quality of football, so it would appear we are safe for a few more mediocre years!

How would we have felt if John Aloisi was appointed coach considering his record with Heart - what was it, 17 games without a win? Would you rather we have Arnold, given his more recent record in the HAL, and have a season like we and SFC are having now but with Arnold, the big sook; or what about if WSW sacked Popovic after WSW horrid run last season - would you think he would be a good manager considering he just got sacked (but look at how well they are going now)?

I'm pretty sure that I<3Nix would be more than happy!

So would Rembrandt 

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almost 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

Not much to add to what has already been said but do have an  observation  nothing more nothing less.

How come Ernie gets a pretty easy ride from most,had it been Herbert who had served up some of the rubbish we have had in the last 18 months there would be all sorts of shark cod being called for.

Trying to think if this is the 10th or 11th season of A League because across 10 or 11 finals - 

Ernie Merrick Titles: = 2 plus a losing grand finalist medal

Every other Phoenix manager = 0

The guy knows how to win a title. I'm happy to have a winner in charge because things were looking a hell of a lot worse at the end of Rickis time. We have 2 excellent signings for next year (even if one is confusing) and the talk of more to come. 

Hmm, for us though not so much.  Winning percentage of 35% and average points per game of 1.2.  Drops away even further if you exclude games where we had Nathan Burns in the team - I'd have to have another look at the numbers but we may even be down to less than a point per game without Burns in the team.

The concern for me is that it just seems to be business as usual when we have been absolutely woeful this season.  I really struggle to think of any real positives.

Like Balance I struggle to understand the easy ride he is getting

Normo's coming home

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almost 10 years ago

This discussion just goes around in circles. There were mitigating circumstances in his first and third seasons, but he showed enough last year that he gets a free pass this. If we were coming 9th without all the off field issues then sack him, but enough has gone wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

However, he needs to be performing next season. If mid season the team isn't challenging for a home semi then we should look to replace him ASAP - my vote would be to hire Ramon as a caretaker to give him half a season audition for the big time..

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VLADIMIR:

Well? Shall we go?
ESTRAGON:
Yes, let's go.
They do not move.

Curtain.


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almost 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

This interested me vis a vis what it takes to win:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/apr/...

That article is bollocks and cherry picks examples to fit its thesis. For instance, saying Man Utd should have attacked Barcelona in the UCL to increase their odds of winning doesn't account for Inter playing hyper-defensive over 2 legs against Barca and progressing on to win the trophy in 2010. Samuel Eto'o played RB for Inter in those games too, just like Rooney did for MU. And that's not even accounting for the fact that MU knocked Barca out of the comp in that example he provided - so what's he saying? MU won but they almost didn't, and if they attacked more they would have won more comfortably? Or what about Everton, who have their best squad in ages and have attacked all season andfailed to string together results.

And comparing a tactical approach in tennis or UFC to one in football is a pretty stretched analogy.

I see Leicester had another cagey 1-0 win since that article was published too, and are now 7 points clear with 6 games to go. And I'm not even sure they've even got more defensive since the start of the season, if anything their opponents have got more defensive against them as they realised the threat they pose, hence scoring drying up.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

This interested me vis a vis what it takes to win:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/apr/...

That article is bollocks and cherry picks examples to fit its thesis. For instance, saying Man Utd should have attacked Barcelona in the UCL to increase their odds of winning doesn't account for Inter playing hyper-defensive over 2 legs against Barca and progressing on to win the trophy in 2010. Samuel Eto'o played RB for Inter in those games too, just like Rooney did for MU. And that's not even accounting for the fact that MU knocked Barca out of the comp in that example he provided - so what's he saying? MU won but they almost didn't, and if they attacked more they would have won more comfortably? Or what about Everton, who have their best squad in ages and have attacked all season andfailed to string together results.

And comparing a tactical approach in tennis or UFC to one in football is a pretty stretched analogy.

I see Leicester had another cagey 1-0 win since that article was published too, and are now 7 points clear with 6 games to go. And I'm not even sure they've even got more defensive since the start of the season, if anything their opponents have got more defensive against them as they realised the threat they pose, hence scoring drying up.

Yeh, it's far from a perfect explanation, but it did kinda resonate, especially in the discussion of BMac v Williamson as captains here. Which could go in the cricket thread.

Also with the discussion of Wenger- though that's a multi-faceted issue too. 

The problem with the approach is if it works then it works. Which doesn't really help anyone. 

It's an article for this forum- plenty of holes to pick at, but one or two valid points...



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almost 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

This discussion just goes around in circles. There were mitigating circumstances in his first and third seasons, but he showed enough last year that he gets a free pass this. If we were coming 9th without all the off field issues then sack him, but enough has gone wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

However, he needs to be performing next season. If mid season the team isn't challenging for a home semi then we should look to replace him ASAP - my vote would be to hire Ramon as a caretaker to give him half a season audition for the big time..

I can agree with this to a degree (not Ramon - ACFC are so slow...) 

I think he does need to finish top 5 next year or he is fair game to be sacked. I think a big sign towards that is recruitment. I like the Kosta signing and while Gay Fiddler is a quality player, we don't need yet another attacking midfielder when we have one already that cannot be shoe horned into that position so as much as he is a good footballer, I am just puzzled by it. The defence has massive holes as it stands and I do wonder if he knows a few things we do not around players willing to come and the making of Krishna/Reira as locals.

Still Xmas comes around to give us a gage of how we are going, I'm going to give the guy a chance to get it right because he could well nail recruitment and hit a home run this year. Until the recruitment is done, the benefit of the doubt is his.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 10 years ago

Well as I said it would be a half season to see what Ramon can do sort of thing, I think he deserves the opportunity, but you have to wonder why he hasn't been given it.

Gui is a different sort of player to our other AM's though, I think he'll be able to provide better service to our strikers than either WeeMac or Roly. I think him and Roly will work well together, but like others on here I'm struggling to put WeeMac in the starting lineup as it stands.

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almost 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Well as I said it would be a half season to see what Ramon can do sort of thing, I think he deserves the opportunity, but you have to wonder why he hasn't been given it.

Gui is a different sort of player to our other AM's though, I think he'll be able to provide better service to our strikers than either WeeMac or Roly. I think him and Roly will work well together, but like others on here I'm struggling to put WeeMac in the starting lineup as it stands.

The way we have been conceding goal we might try him in the back four. :)

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almost 10 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

[quote=Jeff Vader]

Thankfully the metrics required by the FFA are all about the money & not about the quality of football, so it would appear we are safe for a few more mediocre years!

Well, I will as usual renew my membership, but I have to say the football from the Phoenix on offer this year has been dire apart from a couple of games.

And its the casual punters who will need to fulfil the metrics , and crowds are going from bad to even worse at the moment. I actually felt bad looking around before the game on Saturday, cos there was some decent looking food on offer starting from the Wieners up to the Mezzanine and there were hardly any takers - this was one thing people used to moan about. So having food options aint gonna save us Im afraid, start putting the ball in the box near those white posty things.  Thats how we got our goal, McGlinchey shoots from distance and then Roly put the corner in where it counts, and lo and behold we score. You dont score by passing the bloody thing back to Durante and Moss all the time

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almost 10 years ago

Fenix wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

[quote=Jeff Vader]

Thankfully the metrics required by the FFA are all about the money & not about the quality of football, so it would appear we are safe for a few more mediocre years!

Well, I will as usual renew my membership, but I have to say the football from the Phoenix on offer this year has been dire apart from a couple of games.

And its the casual punters who will need to fulfil the metrics , and crowds are going from bad to even worse at the moment. I actually felt bad looking around before the game on Saturday, cos there was some decent looking food on offer starting from the Wieners up to the Mezzanine and there were hardly any takers - this was one thing people used to moan about. So having food options aint gonna save us Im afraid, start putting the ball in the box near those white posty things.  Thats how we got our goal, McGlinchey shoots from distance and then Roly put the corner in where it counts, and lo and behold we score. You dont score by passing the bloody thing back to Durante and Moss all the time

Couldn't agree more. Yes keeping possession for a patient build up is important, but the best way to score is to put the ball into the danger area and cause problems
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Jeff Vader wrote:

I like the Kosta signing and while Gay Fiddler Gui Finkler is a quality player, we don't need yet another attacking midfielder when we have one already that cannot be shoe horned into that position so as much as he is a good footballer, I am just puzzled by it. The defence has massive holes as it stands and I do wonder if he knows a few things we do not around players willing to come and the making of Krishna/Reira as locals.

There is a telling, I think, comment from Ernie about Finkler in one of his match comments.  "Every first touch takes him into space, he rarely gets tackled and his vision and quality of passing forward through accuracy and weighting on the ball is the best in the league."

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/merrick-praises...

imo Roly is exactly the opposite of those first two points.  I very much think we need Finkler. 

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It is not a case of we have enough, with Finkler we gain someone whom is better than the others, an improvement on the team.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 10 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I like the Kosta signing and while Gay Fiddler Gui Finkler is a quality player, we don't need yet another attacking midfielder when we have one already that cannot be shoe horned into that position so as much as he is a good footballer, I am just puzzled by it. The defence has massive holes as it stands and I do wonder if he knows a few things we do not around players willing to come and the making of Krishna/Reira as locals.

There is a telling, I think, comment from Ernie about Finkler in one of his match comments.  "Every first touch takes him into space, he rarely gets tackled and his vision and quality of passing forward through accuracy and weighting on the ball is the best in the league."

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/merrick-praises...

imo Roly is exactly the opposite of those first two points.  I very much think we need Finkler. 

100% agree. Roly is not helping at all to get us faster forward. He does all the nice looking turns and twist and then draws fouls. But he is not opening enough space for him self and others. I can't remember any killer passes behind the defence, just have to watch Krishna and Powell, how many angled runs the try to make per game and there is no service, no creativity. It's all to slow, to many touches. McGlinchey does much more of this and get a lot of crap for it.

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