Wellington Phoenix Men

R27 vs Perth Glory | Sun 28th April | 9pm | SS3

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almost 7 years ago

theprof wrote:

Golec is just slow! and now just grabbing and hacking players.


thankfully Keogh off which means the golden boot is roys, and we can start preparing for Victory on Friday.

Unfortunately the replacement for Keogh is Santalab.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago

Fudge me, Golec is getting worse. 

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almost 7 years ago

OK, turning this off now. Have liked the look of Ben Waine but that's been about it to be fair. I know it's a patchwork XI, but we're being made to look silly and I do not endorse this. 

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almost 7 years ago

charliec wrote:

This is exactly why the final games (round) of the regular season should be played at the same time.  Nix started with second string team and for Perth its a training run

Why would any of that be any different if this was played at the same time as the other games this round? 

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almost 7 years ago

wilbaker wrote:

Waine, Singh, Rufer, Cacace, Sail looking like we're producing a strong young kiwi core

Not Out and Out Kiwis though...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 7 years ago

Singh doesn't deserve to start next week. Has been subpar for a few games now.

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almost 7 years ago

i guess if we did not know the adelaide result we would of put our strongest team out to try to get fourth

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almost 7 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

charliec wrote:

This is exactly why the final games (round) of the regular season should be played at the same time.  Nix started with second string team and for Perth its a training run

Why would any of that be any different if this was played at the same time as the other games this round? 

Because we still had a chance at 4th (and a home semi) if we didn't know the Adelaide vs Brisbane result.

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almost 7 years ago

Singh doesn't deserve to start next week. Has been subpar for a few games now.

Agreed- think we’ll find max burgess start instead 

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almost 7 years ago

holeinone wrote:

i guess if we did not know the adelaide result we would of put our strongest team out to try to get fourth

Oh yes, true.

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almost 7 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

charliec wrote:

This is exactly why the final games (round) of the regular season should be played at the same time.  Nix started with second string team and for Perth its a training run

Why would any of that be any different if this was played at the same time as the other games this round? 

if we did not know the adelaide result we would of put our strongest team out to try to get fourth

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almost 7 years ago · edited almost 7 years ago · History

YoungHeart wrote:

OK, turning this off now. Have liked the look of Ben Waine but that's been about it to be fair. I know it's a patchwork XI, but we're being made to look silly and I do not endorse this. 

We would have a problem against Perth at nib stadium even at our strongest, except maybe prior to Fenton's injury.  Once the decision was made by Rudan to play the youngsters, and to have Williams again at RWB, it was always going to be a mismatch. Add to it a poor night by Singh, and a lousy show by Golec, and it is even worse than a mismatch.

The commentators say quite fairly that the Nix are an excellent team this season and that this game does not reflect our season overall, especially with the makeshift team in the first half. I however think we would need a proper RWB to have any chance in the game against Victory. It is a shame to waste Williams in that spot.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago

charliec wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

charliec wrote:

This is exactly why the final games (round) of the regular season should be played at the same time.  Nix started with second string team and for Perth its a training run

Why would any of that be any different if this was played at the same time as the other games this round? 

if we did not know the adelaide result we would of put our strongest team out to try to get fourth

Forgot about that, Thursday seems like a long time ago!

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almost 7 years ago

No Kurto to bail us out tonight. Not looking like such a good mid-season move now



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almost 7 years ago

good night people see you all here on friday night.

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almost 7 years ago

would rather have an extra GK on the field than Golec

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almost 7 years ago

martinb wrote:

No Kurto to bail us out tonight. Not looking like such a good mid-season move now

To be fair, Sail was pretty decent in the goal tonight and could not have done much against the Perth goals.  He was left exposed by our defence, and let's not forget Keogh, Castro and Ikonomidis are actually classy strikers.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago · edited almost 7 years ago · History

Sancho wrote:

would rather have an extra GK on the field than Golec

A sack of potatoes could have done a better job than Golec tonight...

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almost 7 years ago

Fudgeing Brendan North Pole Elf Factory!!!

Cod!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 7 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

martinb wrote:

No Kurto to bail us out tonight. Not looking like such a good mid-season move now

To be fair, Sail was pretty decent in the goal tonight and could not have done much against the Perth goals.  He was left exposed by our defence, and let's not forget Keogh, Castro and Ikonomidis are actually classy strikers.

Yeah Sail has been okay, can't blame him for any of the goals.

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almost 7 years ago

YoungHeart wrote:

Sancho wrote:

would rather have an extra GK on the field than Golec

A sack of potatoes could have done a better job than Golec tonight...

finally a decent

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

Sancho wrote:

would rather have an extra GK on the field than Golec

A sack of potatoes could have done a better job than Golec tonight...

finally a decent

Goat Pin Cushion?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 7 years ago

#anticlimax 



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almost 7 years ago

On the positive side. No injuries!

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almost 7 years ago

Thank god thats over.

Now after we beat MV on friday night, we can go back and play a proper game against Perth with our no. 1 team.

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almost 7 years ago

siac wrote:

On the positive side. No injuries!

That's one way of looking at it.

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almost 7 years ago

Can we appeal against Golecs yellow card, saying it should have been red? 

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almost 7 years ago

That was rough. 

Hope Rudan saw what he needed to get us prepped to kick some ass next weekend. 

Despite the scoreline I though Sail was really decent. 

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almost 7 years ago · edited almost 7 years ago · History

Fenix wrote:

Can we appeal against Golecs yellow card, saying it should have been red? 

Let's go one better and appeal against WPX fielding an inelegible player, as in "who called Golec a footballer?". Then FFA will cancel the result as illegal and instead award the game to Perth by default which if my memory of rules serves me well would be 3:0.  Instant improvement to our goal difference.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago

What a dogshark way to end the regular season. 

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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almost 7 years ago

siac wrote:

On the positive side. No injuries!

Also on a positive note.

At least Roy kept the Golden Boot!

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almost 7 years ago

What a dogshark way to end the regular season. 

If I had a choice I would rather have losing tonight against Perth badly but keeping that home win last weekend, over winning in Perth tonight but getting smashed at home by City last weekend.  We had a good last home game of the season which our paying public watched.

I know people on the forum agonise over Adelaide vs Victory as an opposition next weekend, but it is probably immaterial by now. We matched Victory and possibly Adelaide this season with our strongest squad only; in our current shape I would not think it matters anymore who we play next weekend.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago

It’s win or go home time! Come on Nix finish the Victory!

Masters Grade aint no run in the park on a Saturday...

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almost 7 years ago

Just.....FTT.

Farken.

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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almost 7 years ago

What a dogshark way to end the regular season. 

For all the fawning over Rudan, all he's delivered so far is the absolute bare minimum in finishing 6th. And three of the four teams we finished above were absolutely terrible all season. Will be very suprised if we get a result against the Victory, but all I want to see is a full 90 minute performance which would be a first for the season.

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almost 7 years ago

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almost 7 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

What a dogshark way to end the regular season. 

For all the fawning over Rudan, all he's delivered so far is the absolute bare minimum in finishing 6th. And three of the four teams we finished above were absolutely terrible all season. Will be very suprised if we get a result against the Victory, but all I want to see is a full 90 minute performance which would be a first for the season.

Yes and no. We had a glimpse of what a good coach, knowledgeable about HAL but also tactically-savvy, could produce for us. The real test would have been Rudan's second year, otherwise he'd be no better than Ernie who also had one good season with us only.

I strongly suggest the 6th placing is circumstantial due to a truly messed up game against Brisbane and I blame Rudan's primadonna PR performance (= his timing of announcing his departure) to be chiefly at fault here. We were probably good for a fifth this season and that would have been fair.  If we had got to the fourth, that would have been lucky, but we were close to that.  Had Rudan announced his departure at the end of regular season, we would have been just as affected, and placing in 4th we would have easily lost to the 6th team.

That is of course all hypothetical. Rudan's season is what it is: a glimpse of what we could do, and might do again, with a good coach and stable coaching staff, and a supportive owner.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 7 years ago

I have no issues with last night and saw what I expected, a team heavily rotated and designed to protect the squad for the finals.

It was nice seeing the young players get a run, Waine, looks capable but need to think a little quicker, Stensness passing is good, and he's physical, but needs to track his opposition players more. Sail was solid, good positioning and saves (but needs to punch less IMO) and he has a whale of a kick.

To be honest, I watched that game more to get a feel for where we might be at for the U20 WC next month, considering half our line up played.

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Mainland FC wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

What a dogshark way to end the regular season. 

For all the fawning over Rudan, all he's delivered so far is the absolute bare minimum in finishing 6th. And three of the four teams we finished above were absolutely terrible all season. Will be very suprised if we get a result against the Victory, but all I want to see is a full 90 minute performance which would be a first for the season.

Yes and no. We had a glimpse of what a good coach, knowledgeable about HAL but also tactically-savvy, could produce for us. The real test would have been Rudan's second year, otherwise he'd be no better than Ernie who also had one good season with us only.

I strongly suggest the 6th placing is circumstantial due to a truly messed up game against Brisbane and I blame Rudan's primadonna PR performance (= his timing of announcing his departure) to be chiefly at fault here. We were probably good for a fifth this season and that would have been fair.  If we had got to the fourth, that would have been lucky, but we were close to that.  Had Rudan announced his departure at the end of regular season, we would have been just as affected, and placing in 4th we would have easily lost to the 6th team.

That is of course all hypothetical. Rudan's season is what it is: a glimpse of what we could do, and might do again, with a good coach and stable coaching staff, and a supportive owner.

It's interesting, my reflections on the season are a bit different. I think we've ended up exactly where we belong, and the numbers perhaps bear this out. Our points tally against the bottom four teams:

P12 W8 D2 L2 (26 points)

The tally against the top 6:

P15 W3 D5 L7 (14 points)

Of the three wins against the top 6, 2 came against the 5th placed team (and it'd be fair to say that both were, at the very least, 50/50 propositions). We only have one win away from home against a top 6 team, and that came in December.

Sure, there are games we could look back to, like the ones in Brisbane, and think that we could/should have got more points out of. The flipside of that is that there have also been a number of games that we were lucky to get points out of. I'm also not convinced that Rudan's a great tactician - Kurz definitely outshone him head to head, and Corica did too after being caught by surprise in the first game between the teams. I think Rudan's value has come through him giving the team confidence and self-belief, which has been sorely lacking the last few years, and this was repaid by Krishna who had a season for the ages. And I'd argue it's Krishna's season (and the above average contribution of Williams) that made a big difference this season. Quick stat - Krishna and Williams have scored almost as many goals this season between them (29) as the entire team scored last season (31). 

Ultimately, what this season has shown is how little the fans need to feel excited and upbeat about the club - win a few games, score some goals, and make the playoffs, and most people will feel positive and want to come back to watch the team again next season.

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almost 7 years ago

Sunseeker wrote:

Both Mandi and Stensness are just hopeless in the defensive role, neither track their man, and both just give up and watch players run past them. We miss Rufer out there who never gives up and marks tightly.

Agree. It seemed to be happening often.  One can't help thinking they were instructed to play zonal.  

I doubt if Mandi has got the fitness to track his man though - he seemed knackered.

Stensness is a good runner and enjoys getting stuck in with tackles but seems to be following orders to hold that line in front of defence.

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