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R7 v WSW | Saturday 7pm | Sky Sport 2

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over 10 years ago

Guttered.



(hi News)


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over 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

Marto wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Not a good 2nd half from us and Strebre was very poor - and not equally poor with plenty of calls against us when WSW committed similar offences he let go (e.g. Santalab's foul when contesting a header in the build up to the WSW corner that resulted in the goal then 5min later blows up Manny for doing the same thing), and Siggy's injury was more than 3min alone.

When he penalised Roy for showing great ball handling skills on ground really galled me. Could have resulted in a goal for us and thus a 2-1 win to us instead of a win to Strebre, er WSW. 

pretty sure you're not allowed to hold the ball between your feet like that? may have to goggle...or wait till someone smarter call me on it...

https://youtu.be/CYz6hPjv0eg
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over 10 years ago

Disappointing second half. Rufer did ok as a sub, but Louis struggled and Appaih, well what chance did he have?

Dura and Mossy excellent, Manny good, Mikey pretty good, not many others imposed themselves.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Just go home to my brothers house after the game, Meet some cool people, Nix's were in the game except for the 2nd half we had nothing - Needed more Ridenton. Not Appaih.

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Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

dbl post

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over 10 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

I am going.

If anyone hears that you are going to another away game, can we please make sure he does not make the flight....

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over 10 years ago

We deserved nothing over 90 mins. Very fortunate to be level or even not 4 down at half time. woeful defending in first twenty, some schoolboy errors. We always looked likely to score, shame sarpong didnt turn up. Moss was great, 

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

If the same team we had in wellington last week turned up there tonight we would have beaten them. Siggy suffering from a virus all week and weemac with jet lag. I can't help but feel like we should have gone to the bench earlier. hope Siggys all good we need him.

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over 10 years ago

Moose wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

I am going.

If anyone hears that you are going to another away game, can we please make sure he does not make the flight....

I seen him at the game, wouldn't Hi-Five me as he had some cooties virus on his hand!!

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago

What happened to our second half dominance of last year?  Seems to have gone the other way.

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over 10 years ago

I blame Brandon for the loss.

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Lonegunmen wrote:

I blame Brandon for the loss.

Sack Brandon

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Lonegunmen wrote:

I blame Brandon for the loss.

Am really starting to feel sorry for him! That is a lot of trips (and money) to spend to not even see us get a draw! Awful luck. 

The celebrations when the curse is finally broken will have to be huge. It's becoming part of Phoenix legend. 


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

Conceded from the same spot from a corner as against Brisbane a few weeks ago, maybe need to re-look again at our defending on corners.

Normo's coming home

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over 10 years ago

Weird to keep subbing Sarpong at half time.  Kind of need to make a decision either way on him, but I always think an attacking player should get the 10 after half time to show they can turn it round (occasionally a half time sub is needed if your shape is completely wrong or your defence is stuffed but wouldn't get into doing it regularly).

Normo's coming home

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over 10 years ago

james dean wrote:

Conceded from the same spot from a corner as against Brisbane a few weeks ago, maybe need to re-look again at our defending on corners.

Yeh pretty bad that no one was controlling that space at the back stick. It's a basic. Prob wouldn't have happened if Siggy was on the park (I hope). But he wasn't.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 10 years ago

james dean wrote:

Weird to keep subbing Sarpong at half time.  Kind of need to make a decision either way on him, but I always think an attacking player should get the 10 after half time to show they can turn it round (occasionally a half time sub is needed if your shape is completely wrong or your defence is stuffed but wouldn't get into doing it regularly).

He obviously didn't do the job that he'd been asked to.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

james dean wrote:

Conceded from the same spot from a corner as against Brisbane a few weeks ago, maybe need to defend.

Fixed.

Re the first goal.  Ball came off the crossbar to the wanderers, ball passed into the middle of the pitch, drawing in Gulley and a CB (not sure who - presume Dura and/or Siggie went up for the FK).

Gulley is first to the ball but hits it awkwardly and it falls to a Wanderers player who passes to Bridge in acres of space.

Should he have gone for the intercept, leaving that whole side exposed for Bridges?

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Poor organisation on a defensive set piece costs us again. And poor defensive organisation on an attacking set piece as well for that matter.

Also, I  think our shape is all wrong and it has looked that way for a while, with the exception of the Adelaide game. But then Adelaide were very poor defensively against us and did score twice and create a few other good chances too, so maybe that game did paper over a few cracks in our play.

4-2-2-2 can be difficult formation to play effectively and we're seeing why. The first issue is that we lack width. In theory, our fullbacks should be going forward to overlap but they aren't often. The two more advanced midfielders and/or the two strikers do drift wider sometimes but not wide enough, or if they do then the rest of our midfield drifts towards them too and we end up compacted up against a sideline. Our two deeper midfielders also don't seem clear on who should be tucking in to the space in front of the backline so it's easy for opponents to get between our lines. Because we're in a box shape the passing angles are easy to cover for defending players and our runners often end up just running into space which is already occupied by one of our players.

I'd like to see us switch to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 to address some of these issues. Even the 4-1-2-1-2 formation we used a lot last year would be better I think. I also think that Roly could play a bit deeper and be more of a deep lying playmaker. I like A-Rod but he's been poor this season. Sarpong is meant to be a winger so maybe he should be given the chance to play there, because he hasn't been at all effective playing where he has been.

Here's what I'd like to see:

                                       Moss

 Gulley              Siggy               Dura          Manny 

                          Roly                Riera 

  Sarpong                     WeeMac                 Appiah

                                     Krishna

Obviously Krishna as a  sole striker isn't ideal but the rest of the shape isn't working currently anyway. If we focused on through balls or counterattacks down the wing with low flat crosses on the end of then he should be able to do the job required.

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over 10 years ago

Poor organisation on a defensive set piece costs us again. And poor defensive organisation on an attacking set piece as well for that matter.

Also, I  think our shape is all wrong and it has looked that way for a while, with the exception of the Adelaide game. But then Adelaide were very poor defensively against us and did score twice and create a few other good chances too, so maybe that game did paper over a few cracks in our play.

4-2-2-2 can be difficult formation to play effectively and we're seeing why. The first issue is that we lack width. In theory, our fullbacks should be going forward to overlap but they aren't often. The two more advanced midfielders and/or the two strikers do drift wider sometimes but not wide enough, or if they do then the rest of our midfield drifts towards them too and we end up compacted up against a sideline. Our two deeper midfielders also don't seem clear on who should be tucking in to the space in front of the backline so it's easy for opponents to get between our lines. Because we're in a box shape the passing angles are easy to cover for defending players and our runners often end up just running into space which is already occupied by one of our players.

I'd like to see us switch to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 to address some of these issues. Even the 4-1-2-1-2 formation we used a lot last year would be better I think. I also think that Roly could play a bit deeper and be more of a deep lying playmaker. I like A-Rod but he's been poor this season. Sarpong is meant to be a winger so maybe he should be given the chance to play there, because he hasn't been at all effective playing where he has been.

Here's what I'd like to see:

                                       Moss

 Gulley              Siggy               Dura          Manny 

                          Roly                Riera 

  Sarpong                     WeeMac                 Appiah

                                     Krishna

Obviously Krishna as a  sole striker isn't ideal but the rest of the shape isn't working currently anyway. If we focused on through balls or counterattacks down the wing with low flat crosses on the end of then he should be able to do the job required.

Sorry but every game I have seen Appiah in he had done nothing - He has pace but his passing/dribbling is not there - has no imagination to create something out of nothing. Ridenton is not as fast but at least try's to make nothing into something and is getting better. Appiah has not improved let alone delivered when hes been on.

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Royz wrote:
Sorry but every game I have seen Appiah in he had done nothing - He has pace but his passing/dribbling is not there - has no imagination to create something out of nothing. Ridenton is not as fast but at least try's to make nothing into something and is getting better. Appiah has not improved let alone delivered when hes been on.

Ridenton is naturally a central mid though, and doesn't seem to have the attributes to play on the wing IMO.

Another option if Appiah isn't deemed to be up to it would be Krishna out wide and Powell up front. Or Fenton starting on the wing instead of Appiah.

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Royz wrote:
Sorry but every game I have seen Appiah in he had done nothing - He has pace but his passing/dribbling is not there - has no imagination to create something out of nothing. Ridenton is not as fast but at least try's to make nothing into something and is getting better. Appiah has not improved let alone delivered when hes been on.

Ridenton is naturally a central mid though, and doesn't seem to have the attributes to play on the wing IMO.

Another option if Appiah isn't deemed to be up to it would be Krishna out wide and Powell up front. Or Fenton starting on the wing instead of Appiah.

Ernie likes speedy wingers, So its hard to say who could do the job game in game out. The kids like Rufer and Ridenton are always looking for the gaps and space and play into them. They both have some pace but what they lack off it they make up with creativity.

Mr Positive

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Bullion wrote:

martinb wrote:

Marto wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Not a good 2nd half from us and Strebre was very poor - and not equally poor with plenty of calls against us when WSW committed similar offences he let go (e.g. Santalab's foul when contesting a header in the build up to the WSW corner that resulted in the goal then 5min later blows up Manny for doing the same thing), and Siggy's injury was more than 3min alone.

When he penalised Roy for showing great ball handling skills on ground really galled me. Could have resulted in a goal for us and thus a 2-1 win to us instead of a win to Strebre, er WSW. 

pretty sure you're not allowed to hold the ball between your feet like that? may have to goggle...or wait till someone smarter call me on it...



Not sure about the ruling in open play but the 'infamous' donkey kick by Willie Carr, in the 70s, was subsequently banned, because of a double-touch of the ball by the taker of a free-kick.  

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over 10 years ago

Offisde for their first goal? Siggy gets dropped by a fore arm, was the guy carded Strebe?

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over 10 years ago

Poor organisation on a defensive set piece costs us again. And poor defensive organisation on an attacking set piece as well for that matter.

Also, I  think our shape is all wrong and it has looked that way for a while, with the exception of the Adelaide game. But then Adelaide were very poor defensively against us and did score twice and create a few other good chances too, so maybe that game did paper over a few cracks in our play.

4-2-2-2 can be difficult formation to play effectively and we're seeing why. The first issue is that we lack width. In theory, our fullbacks should be going forward to overlap but they aren't often. The two more advanced midfielders and/or the two strikers do drift wider sometimes but not wide enough, or if they do then the rest of our midfield drifts towards them too and we end up compacted up against a sideline. Our two deeper midfielders also don't seem clear on who should be tucking in to the space in front of the backline so it's easy for opponents to get between our lines. Because we're in a box shape the passing angles are easy to cover for defending players and our runners often end up just running into space which is already occupied by one of our players.

I'd like to see us switch to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 to address some of these issues. Even the 4-1-2-1-2 formation we used a lot last year would be better I think. I also think that Roly could play a bit deeper and be more of a deep lying playmaker. I like A-Rod but he's been poor this season. Sarpong is meant to be a winger so maybe he should be given the chance to play there, because he hasn't been at all effective playing where he has been.

Here's what I'd like to see:

                                       Moss

 Gulley              Siggy               Dura          Manny 

                          Roly                Riera 

  Sarpong                     WeeMac                 Appiah

                                     Krishna

Obviously Krishna as a  sole striker isn't ideal but the rest of the shape isn't working currently anyway. If we focused on through balls or counterattacks down the wing with low flat crosses on the end of then he should be able to do the job required.

I like the formation but think the team would be better of if Sarpong was starting from the bench. He does seem to be a quality player when his head is in the game, but he's clearly lacking in confidence and being asked to perform a role that he isn't used to (i.e. leading the line) must be part of that. 

In terms of being dropped, you'd have to have a chat to him and explain the reasons why, something like it's not that we don't think you're good enough, in fact we think you have quality and believe in you but we need to get you firing. So we're going to start you from the bench and get you out wide and running at fatigued players, no pressure to score goals, just do your thing and do it well.

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over 10 years ago

TV 3 news still thinks Siggy had virus....no mention of concussion.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 10 years ago

Bring back 4-4-2.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 10 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

TV 3 news still thinks Siggy had virus....no mention of concussion.

haven't heard any talk of concussion?

link?



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over 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

TV 3 news still thinks Siggy had virus....no mention of concussion.

haven't heard any talk of concussion?

link?

is on the home page of yf. Siggy was apparently disorientated and was up all night with it. Flew back today.
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over 10 years ago

Shark. Poor Siggy and poor defence. I guess that means Manny CB. Hopefully Doyle LB. I was not impressed with Louis there, even if the All Whites chose him for it.

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over 10 years ago

Appiah has looked very raw, fast but quite a loose touch and not a lot of subtlety - just sort of a head down bulldozer.  Which is fine against the weaker teams but often a bit more is required against A League defenses

Normo's coming home

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over 10 years ago

Marto wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

I'd like to thank Tony Hudson for allowing our players to travel coach class. I hope he did as well.

I think that's a weak excuse, they've been at home nearly a week.

Really? travelled halfway around the world, played 90 mins in 30 + degrees turned round flew all the way back, sitting with the peasants, then played 90 again all in the space of 8 or 9 days after travelling another 3 and a half hours across the Tasman?

I know Ernie does not like to make excuses but that is a big week in anyones books.

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over 10 years ago

Ernie refreshingly open about that he was not happy with the performance. Move on quick and play better on Thursday to get in front of FFA FC!

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over 10 years ago

Round 8 this Thursday eh...quick turnaround.

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james dean wrote:

Appiah has looked very raw, fast but quite a loose touch and not a lot of subtlety - just sort of a head down bulldozer.  Which is fine against the weaker teams but often a bit more is required against A League defenses

 If his job is to get as close to the 10 yard box as fast as he can, Then he has some success. But once there he is dead wood. His easily marked out of games and has no imagination + flair around the goal mouth when its needed.

Subbing on Appiah for a quick counter attack to accommodate Krishna has not work period.

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago

Needs more than a few minutes though.  I would have liked to see him on earlier against WSW as strikers tend to do well against their former clubs.


Remember he also has the pre-season record for the nix.

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over 10 years ago

james dean wrote:

Weird to keep subbing Sarpong at half time.  Kind of need to make a decision either way on him, but I always think an attacking player should get the 10 after half time to show they can turn it round (occasionally a half time sub is needed if your shape is completely wrong or your defence is stuffed but wouldn't get into doing it regularly).

He obviously didn't do the job that he'd been asked to.

True, my point is it isn't ideal to keep having to reorganise the team at half time

Normo's coming home

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over 10 years ago

Guarantee that Appiah would've contributed more than Sarpong if he had the same amount of minutes. I'm not a massive fan of Appiah; but he at least looks like he's trying. Sarpong doesn't seem to give a sh*t.

a.haak

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Needs more than a few minutes though.  I would have liked to see him on earlier against WSW as strikers tend to do well against their former clubs.


Remember he also has the pre-season record for the nix.

Sorry Ryan but Rufer and Ridenton also Gulley have stepped up and delivered when given a chance, I'm not saying they are first 11 - They've just used what little game time they got to progress. 

Where as Appiah has done nothing.

Mr Positive

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