Split from the Scholarship thread.

Split from the Scholarship thread.

and Olds Christie's Felipe's Lia's and  ferante's
thefever2008-01-15 20:26:32

Cnut2008-01-15 18:46:54

So you think Old and Christie are good enough to play in the A-league?
Maybe if you want your team to finish bottom of the league
Oh thats right they are!!! 

Good on you Ted. For a split second, after all your bleating and whining about 'the good of football in New Zealand', I had hoped you may just have applauded what appears to be an attempt to encourage young players. Too good to be true. Doesn't it get boring being so bitter and twisted all the time? Must be good fun for the big fish in the safety of their little pond to take cheap shots at the bigger fish in the ocean next door, eh?

Imagine how big a fish you could be if your were in your own pond and what you could do for the rest of the fish in that pond instead of slowly killing them all by playing in someone else's
why should i be bitter? my teams top of the league yours is rock bottom as usual

Got to love it, he has the nerve to bag players who have played at age group level for Australia when he supports a team that includes Chad Coombes and James Pritchett.... hilarious Ted.

You truly are the epitome of Grey and Miserable.

As usual ?

Care to explain how one season makes it as usual Ted ?

As i just said to Jaq what have i got to be miserable about?
being top of the league
and sorry but last i looked Pritchett was in All Whites squad while Old was in the stands watching it
and if Ferante and Lia were such good players they would still be at Melbourne or you would'nt be bottom of the league
not all age group reps go on to be great players how many of 99 U17's are playin pro now?
not all of them

top of an inferior league to the one we play in.

One you choose not to play in!!!
an as usual i meant NZ teams in Aussie league clearly not just Phoenix

Ted and his cronies pass another enjoyable day whining about the Phoenix:

Bring it on boys!!!!!!!
 

I'll change the title.

...this is everything from the hi-jack of the scholarship thread, please read my note in there.

It is a great idea well done but its something Wellington should be looking at doing on a much wider scale  

This really is hilarious. 

It's like the Aus forums where the supporters of the old clubs appeared before the first season of the A-League saying it would be over in 1 year, then 2 years, then 3 years.  Now after record crowds, it will be over in 5...

Incidentally Ted, last time I checked the previous A-League sides were Auckland's therefore more yours than anyone here... nice try though.  Wellington teams finishing last in league's in the last 10 years ?  None as of today, Auckland - at least 5, and that's without counting some pretty average Auckland sides in the old national league.

Wellington the city ?  Capital football ?  Team Wellington ?  The Wellington Phoenix ? Wellington Rugby ?

Honestly, that makes no sense at all.

We're not the Phoenix, we're a bunch of supporters, it's not the Phoenix's money paying for it, it's Yellow Fever's.

So this is a  Wellington v Auckland thing now?
Oh well at least you've got Miramar in your corner

How do you know they're not planning to?

Do i have to speak slowly for you!!!
Wellington Phoenix

You stated we had finished last again.  Your explanation was that the Auckland sides finished last twice... I have no idea why that is relevant to the Phoenix as there is precisely nothing in common between them.

I could only assume you meant Wellington sides finishing last, as that would be the only relevant comparison to the Phoenix and the local supporters... ignoring the fans of Hawkes Bay and Manawatu who support the Phoenix as well, and the supporters of Auckland, Waitakere, Waikato FC, and every other side in this country supporting the Phoenix and signed up on here...but of course that means they are disloyal to the NZ game, so it couldn't be right.

If you mean the Phoenix, use the term Phoenix.  If I say Auckland I mean the City, if I say Auckland City FC, I mean the football team.

Forget speaking slowly just master the art of typing and basic English.

You also have not answered Jags point on what makes you assume the Phoenix have no Junior plans ? 

The club has been going  nine months, had 3 months to start in a professional league and one persons money, the youth situation took a back seat while that got established.
Baiter2008-01-15 20:43:32

Maybe they are? then i stand corrected
and Hard News I know its YF money but you wouldnt have to do that if
Wellington Phoenix had a similar scheme do you not agree that it would be a good idea?

Don't try getting logical with him. Just give him an old sock - he'll take it up the back of the yard and chew it for hours. StopOut2008-01-15 20:44:34

the 3 u20 spots which didnt have to go to nzers but did, is that not some kind of scholarship program and a pretty good one i would of thought

Honestly Phil, they are two widely different things.

See, this is part of the problem. 

There are plenty of Auckland City fans that follow the Phoenix (I suspect the Phoenix wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for one of them in fact) but the demeanour of one individual builds an unnecessary impression of all ACFC supporters.

...and don't start me on Pritchett being an AW right back. 

Ted, I know you've touched on it in various other posts of yours, but can you please list (and explain without getting all agitated) the reasons why you think having the Phoenix (or any other NZ team) in the A League is a bad thing for NZ football.

Appear? He is a prat! As well as many other things I don't care to mention for fear of the banstick.

Excellent post. I agree with all of your points and would like to add that without the A-league the country would be resigned to amateur football forever because this country could never have a fully proffessional league in my opinion; unless the people running it didn't mind taking enormous losses every year. Without the Nix and the interest created in them by the media, YF and of course the club itself then football will remain a casual sport played by primary school kids until they go to college and they're big enough to play rugby.

I feel HappyTed's stance stems from rather extreme nationalism which is good to a certain extent but he is ignoring the good of football in New Zealand just so he can keep hating Australia.
Critical_Lemon2008-01-16 08:45:02

Dear god, Ted why is it you have noithing positive to say, sure the Phoenix have had some issues on the field,and by all means your welcome to discuss them, we all have, and beside all new teams do! but off the field the management and setup of the phoenix is no way like any of the other NZ franchises in the A-League.

I agree with that. Let�s hear what you have to say, Ted.

 

Without the cheap shots, without the attacks on Wellington, the Phoenix and the A League, without the attacks on Phoenix supporters and without the comparisons to previous New Zealand A League teams. Just give us a considered response to the question above, why do you think that the inclusion of a New Zealand team is such a bad thing for NZ football.

 

It would be nice to believe that your motives are honourable and that you do care deeply about the future of football in New Zealand, but any merit your comments may have is buried under the vitriol and, as such, leads to the perception that these are merely the rantings of a bitter individual who thinks the football world begins and ends at Kiwitea Street. This may not be the case, but this is certainly the impression that I have gained from reading some of your posts. Your constant sniping is something which I would expect from a supporter of another A League club, not from someone who resides in New Zealand.

 

Holding the Phoenix, it�s membership of the A league and it�s supporters, as being responsible for all of New Zealand�s football ills is a stance which I find bewildering. Surely, you should be venting your frustrations at NZF and the NZFC rather than the Wellington Phoenix?

  

It would be refreshing to see you follow the lead of some of your fellow ACFC supporters and make your points in a reasoned and intelligent manner, which will provoke serious discussion, rather than indulging in points scoring exercises

Jag2008-01-16 12:41:05

Were shall i start?
Someone mentions the media coverage which yes excellent for the Phoenix is non-existent for the NZFC or Regional leagues, Why because the Phoenix take it all and what are they going to report? The Phoenix losing and being bottom of the league so yes the Phoenix are raising the profile of the game but they are not rasing the credibilty of it with there poor results
from afar in Auckland i have always been impressed by the coverage the Dom Post gave football before the Phoenix compared to the Herald up here
as for TV coverage again it is to the disadvantage of the NZFC and beyond we had a great show for the 1st 2 years of the NZFC especially the 2nd year but not any more how much are sky paying for A-league coverage?
NZF had to pay for the NZFC show and were was the Chatham Cup Final this year?
As for the NZFC  it has real problems , Look at Canterbury lost an entire squad form last few years apparently they only got $54000 in sponsorship this year why? possibly for the reasons above concerning no media coverage maybe?
What is the major function of the NZFC? if we have to have an A-League team is it to supply players for the phoenix and the All Whites  if you lose a domestic National league where are your future A-League players going to come form?
Caversham, Central or Melville?
and if people dont think we they dont to have may NZ'ers in the Phoenix whats the point of having them? Oh yeah to raise the profile of the game!!
I dont believe that just because we have an A-League team that is bottom or top of the league that people will suddenly start going to NZFC games just the opposite in fact I actually don't agree with a franchise national league despite ACFC's success, but accept that a club based league was'nt working.
I dont know what Central League was like in 2004 when there was no Kingz or National League but in Auckland most northern League clubs were getting far better crowds than they are now including Central, why maybe because the standard was a lot better with some ex Kingz and National players competing in it, whats my point people will always watch the highest standard
or what they think is the higher standard.
The 1st NZFC season with no Pro team playin in Aussie was atracting healthy crowds all ove the country there were over 4000 at the 1st Waitakare v ACFC game not the 10000-14000 that the Phoenix get but still healthy for a National game, what is this NZ obession with the Aussie leagues? not just in football but League and Basketball as well
The A-League is a great comp and I enjoy watching it but do you think people would stop watching it in NZ if the Phoenix were'nt in it?
Yes it provides a pathway to pro football for NZ players but if they are good enough then they would get picked up by Aussie clubs anyway
Maybe you all believe that the function of The Phoenix is just to raise the Profile of the game?
When all I believe it does is raise it of one team?
I believe the whole idea of the Kingz/Knights/Phoenix was to eventually raise the overall standard of the game leading all the way to a better national team
maybe i'm wrong about that
I just cant see an all your eggs in one basket approach working
I know a lot of you will argue the case about it being only the 1st season and that league place does'nt matter i don't agree the worst think that could of happened this season could happen if you dont get something on sat night that you end up with the wooden spoon so you can talk about crowds the Galaxy and a great back office setup but it is a results business and on that they have'nt delivered
as for the extreme nationalism I am as some of you know i am not an NZer i'm English which i'm sure will please most of you no end!!
But am very proud and happy to live in this country and love the game and really wanna see NZ qualify for South Africa 2010 and beyond but also wanna see the game grow in this country and get rid of that F%^&ing Rugby nonsense i just don't believe that hanging on to the Aussies coat tails is they way to do you are never going to develop a football culture all over the country with 1 team in a foreign league that plays 10/11 home games a season all in one city but expecting the whole country to support them we have a National Team and Wellington Phoenix are NOT it

Any chance you could format that to make it intelligible ?

I'm sorry, but i'm not going to read that.

No!!!

im sorry but phoenix or no phoenix the nzfc is not going to have a profile because like it or not football is not a mainstream sport to the media (despite participation numbers). so in my opinion much of your argument which is based on the premise that the nix take focus away from the nzfc is null and void because the nzfc will in most likelihood not be able to reach the level of coverage the nix get