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Starting line up vs Perth

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well I'm happy to read in the Dom that there's a good chance we will be starting with 2 up front, not before time.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would have thought a traditional "footballers kiss" would have been appropriate with that sort of rabble rousing effort. Seriously, are we really going to turn into those kind of fans? That's what Auckalnd did the the knights and kingz, admittedly they deserved it, but come on, the Nix are playing attractive football and all they need is a few chances to go their way and hey presto we've won more than we've  lost! Give it time!!!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe introduce him off the bench might be a better idea - the team is starting to gel, and to upset the midfield so soon might have the reverse effect
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
those posts from nightz wur pathetic...  i wud like  elrich play i think he will be outstanding for us and what happend to brownlie he looked more usefull of the bench then covs who hasnt done much and moss needs to stay for sure how can u say our number 1 keeper is on the bench if he was number 1 he would be starting i personally thing paston is rubbish neway but hopefulli george can get another run longer than 10min this week
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

would like to see elrich introduced at some point, and would be interested to see browny start in place of ferrante. nightz, no one minds you havin an opinion, but when it is an absurd opinion, you are going to be attacked. Moss playin quality. As said above, if Paston is number 1, he would be starting. Go on the nix, first home win!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich has been left out of the squad, so we won't see him in the flesh until October 21 v CCM
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'll post this again and hope it dosent get deleted this time
 
Facts on our keeper from the A League site
 
Keeper                 Saves          Goals
Ante Covic             27              3
Clint Bolton            20               5
Tommi Tomich        18               3
Robert Bajic           17               8
Michael Theoklotis  16              5  
Liam Reddy             15             6
Danny Vukovic        14             0
Glen Moss                12            9
 
Enough said

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
what does that prove then stat man?

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
I'll post this again and hope it dosent get deleted this time
 
Facts on our keeper from the A League site
 
Keeper                 Saves          Goals
Ante Covic             27              3
Clint Bolton            20               5
Tommi Tomich        18               3
Robert Bajic           17               8
Michael Theoklotis  16              5  
Liam Reddy             15             6
Danny Vukovic        14             0
Glen Moss                12            9
 
Enough said


ffs nightz when will u give it up? time and time again u prove your footballing ignorance while the rest of us who watch and judge the phoenix know your claims have about as much substance as saying derby are gonna win the EPL.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

dude, the thing is, if a striker gets a one on one chance against the keeper, he really should score...the defenders try their darnest to prevent that from happening for that reason. If the defenders mess up and a 1 on 1 occurs, yes sometimes the keeper should save but otherwise it's pretty fricken difficult to stop the majority going in. A conceded goal usually occurs with some error by a defender/midfielder/ even forward. That is not the keeper's fault. If the keeper fails to make a routine save, then that is bad...but so far (touch wood) Moss has made some damn good saves (i seen 'em) and not made any major mistakes...ipso facto, leave him be! I mean, Lochhead's mistake against Sydney was worse than anything Moss has done this season, but you're not suggesting we scrap him
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

maybe it's just a wind up? anyone else think it's a wind up?
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
The only problem with that nightz is that Moss is playing well and hasn't put a foot wrong. You can't rotate your keeper.... but as a keeper myself, I admit to bias on that. However, I still think the keeper position should be locked in. It's there for Moss to lose not for Paston to win.
 
In my opinion Moss has lost form and Paston should be starting. Remember Paston was 1st choice till injuried and I think as he's no longer injuried he should now be starting.
 
The fact you said he's LOST form seems to suggest you thought he was plying well and now he isn't. I would love to see how you came to that conclusion after he was voted MOM on the A-league website for the Adelaide game.
 
Everyone else seems to think he's going from styrength to strength.
 
Do you think if Paston was playing we wouldn't have conceaded a goal this season?
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cosimo wrote:

maybe it's just a wind up? anyone else think it's a wind up?


possibly, if it is he should be shown the ban stick
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
maybe nightz could do with  a week in the "ban bin"

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I dont care if you dont agree with me. The sats speak for themselves, if you cant understand them go see blanket man, I'm sure he can make sense out of them. Just dont shot the messenger.

Moss is in the best form of his life and he's let through 9 of 21 shots on target.
 
Hey, Muso show me stats that will show Derby has a chance to win the EPL because I'm to ignorant to work out how that could happen.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He must have summoned up the courage to buy a Phoenix shirt to replace his Knightzz one - but then got Paston printed on the back of it

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2 possibly 3 up front could mean we see George get a start... hopefully, I'm so keen to see what he can do, I'm gona put it out there and predict he is the man.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

whats your team pick Liverpoolfan?

you seem to know a lot - do you work in TV?

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
maybe nightz could do with  a week in the "ban bin"
 
Maybe thats what hey do with people that have an opinion where you come from.
 
Bring back Patson.
 
And Jiz tell us why you say  [Quote]" personally thing paston is rubbish neway "

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
He must have summoned up the courage to buy a Phoenix shirt to replace his Knightzz one - but then got Paston printed on the back of it
 
Are they selling keepers shirts?

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
 Hey, Muso show me stats that will show Derby has a chance to win the EPL because I'm to ignorant to work out how that could happen.


u think i think derby will win??? now i really think your doing a wind up. sarcasm, i.e. what your saying about moss is about as stupid as believing that Derby will win the EPL
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Rocky wrote:
2 possibly 3 up front could mean we see George get a start... hopefully, I'm so keen to see what he can do, I'm gona put it out there and predict he is the man.
 
Just out of interest has anyone seen him play? He played against Team Wellington last week. Maybe speak to someone that played against him and ask their opinion of him. I would tell you what I was told but I'm already in to much trouble so I'll leave it up to someone else.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
o and nightz, simply answer me this. Do u honestly believe we would not have let in goals if Paston was keeping?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
Rocky wrote:
2 possibly 3 up front could mean we see George get a start... hopefully, I'm so keen to see what he can do, I'm gona put it out there and predict he is the man.
 
Just out of interest has anyone seen him play? He played against Team Wellington last week. Maybe speak to someone that played against him and ask their opinion of him. I would tell you what I was told but I'm already in to much trouble so I'll leave it up to someone else.


now u've proved you havent watched the phoenix, and why u base so much opinion on stats. He played 10 minutes last game, made solid touches, helped in a goal..
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
muso wrote:
o and nightz, simply answer me this. Do u honestly believe we would not have let in goals if Paston was keeping?
 
Not as many. And everyone knows Liverpool is gonna win the EPL.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
muso wrote:
o and nightz, simply answer me this. Do u honestly believe we would not have let in goals if Paston was keeping?

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Not as many.


On what exactly are you basing this assertion?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:

whats your team pick Liverpoolfan?

OK, a squad of 18 has been named with the 3 kids, Lia and Elrich not involved from the 23.
 
Three of the 18 will be omitted for match day.
 
I reckon there're 9 certain starters...
 
Moss, Christie, Dodd, O'Dor, Lochhead, Aloisi, Daniel, Felipe and Smeltz
 
While I'm  not his biggest fan, I think Ferrante will also start again.
 
Then it's a toss-up between Johnson and Brown with the other on the bench - probably Johnson to start, seeing as Brown hasn't played yet.
 
There are 2 other certain subs - Paston and Old; and I think George probably deserves to be there too.
 
Which means Clebo, Brownlie and Covs won't get stripped.
 
So that's a long way of saying - same starting eleven as last week and Brown in for Covs on the bench!
 
BTW, that's what I think Ricki will do - not what I'd do.
liverpoolfan12007-09-27 21:09:23
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
true, that sounds logical, altho i still like to hope after his hinting at more attacking numbers he might give George a start in a 4-4-2 relegating ferrante to either bench or out to look for early goals.. i can hope
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

                               Moss

Christie      Dodd     O'dor     Lockhead
 
Johnson          Aloisi            Ferrante
 
                        Daniel
       Felipe                         Smeltz
 
Subs: Brown, George, Coveny, Celberson
 
 
Moss definitely should be there!!  Ricki may look at getting some game time for his players who will not be away on international duty in the coming weeks, so may be a different team?
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
muso wrote:
nightz wrote:
Rocky wrote:
2 possibly 3 up front could mean we see George get a start... hopefully, I'm so keen to see what he can do, I'm gona put it out there and predict he is the man.
 
Just out of interest has anyone seen him play? He played against Team Wellington last week. Maybe speak to someone that played against him and ask their opinion of him. I would tell you what I was told but I'm already in to much trouble so I'll leave it up to someone else.


now u've proved you havent watched the phoenix, and why u base so much opinion on stats. He played 10 minutes last game, made solid touches, helped in a goal..
 
Anyone can look good for 10 mins when everyone else is tired. I'd prefer to make a judgement on a guy after a full game thanks.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
azyr05 wrote:
Ricki may look at getting some game time for his players who will not be away on international duty in the coming weeks, so may be a different team?


Of that side though, Smeltz and Lochhead are almost certain to go, but other than that ?

I mean, if Mully and/or Oughton are available he might decide Plodder is better of staying here as he has depth there.  Lochhead is close to a cert as we don't have many other options for left back unless Ivan plays there (and he hasn't since Kingz days with Wynton and Shane in charge).

If Lochhead goes I suspect Daniel will play Left back as he is experienced there and we've got lots of options to cover Smeltz if/when he goes.

Pretty sure he'll take only one of Moss or Paston, and maybe Banners.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
     Nightz, Have you ever watched the Nix play? It's not looking good for a positive answer on that question... azyr052007-09-27 21:46:26
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I doubt that Ricky will make any changes to his starting lineup, and if he does they will likely be dictated by injuries at training/outstanding form at training, rather than needing to give players game time.

I cant think of any player I would drop yet from the lineup, they have generally been improving and that includes Ferrante and Moss

On the keepers, I get nervous when Moss goes for crosses, and nervous when Paston is one on one. Dont ask for specifics, just my impressions.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Guttered NO ELRICH!!!!

Wellington Phoenix squad: 1.Mark PASTON (gk), 2.Jeremy CHRISTIE, 3.Tony LOCHHEAD, 4.CLEBERSON, 5.Karl DODD, 6.Tim BROWN, 7.Ross ALOISI (captain), 8.Vaughan COVENY, 9.Shane SMELTZ, 10.Michael FERRANTE, 11.DANIEL, 12.Richard JOHNSON, 13.Steven OLD, 14.Steven O�DOR, 15.George PALADINI, 20.Glen MOSS (gk), 21.Felipe CAMPOS, 22.Royce BROWNLIE. *three to be omitted

In: Cleberson (promoted), Royce Brownlie (promoted), Tim Brown (return to fitness)
Out: Nil

Others Unavailable: Vince Lia (thigh � 1 week), Ahmad Elrich (new to squad)


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the question is now, who would you drop?!
 
I'd hate to say it but i think i would "Omitt"  Covs.
I dont like Ferrante at all but id still keep him on the bench for Brown coming in.
I'd like to see Brownlie get a fair shot as would I George.
And Clebs i wana see do his thing off the bench.
 
I'd leave out :
 
Old
Covs
Paston (and risk moss getting hurt throughout the game so we can have brownlie and george as options!!!!)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
I'll post this again and hope it dosent get deleted this time
 
Facts on our keeper from the A League site
 
Keeper                 Saves          Goals
Ante Covic             27              3
Clint Bolton            20               5
Tommi Tomich        18               3
Robert Bajic           17               8
Michael Theoklotis  16              5  
Liam Reddy             15             6
Danny Vukovic        14             0
Glen Moss                12            9
 
Enough said


The stat proves that Ante Covic plays behind the worst set of defenders in the league as the opposition can get off 30 shots on target, nothing more.
DrQuack322007-09-28 06:50:44
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
azyr05 wrote:

                               Moss

Christie      Dodd     O'dor     Lockhead
 
Johnson          Aloisi            Ferrante
 
                        Daniel
       Felipe                         Smeltz
 
Subs: Brown, George, Coveny, Celberson
 


*note: this is not a stab at you azyr05, just a handy example so advanced apologies and no offense intended*

Why do people persist with doing these lay outs and having people out of position? Richard Johnson is a holding midfielder, a ball winner, in the similar mold of Aloisi but time and time again, people list him on a right half or insist that he and Brown should be switched. They are completely different styled footballers. Brown is a distributer in the mold of Ferrante, not like Johnson who is a grunt man (which sparks another argument about people that don't understand football and think Johnson should be swapped for Brown, very irritating). Felipe is an attacking midfielder but people insist on listing him as a striker along side Smeltz.... Why???


A realistic assessment is that Ricki has stated possibly an extra striker and looking at the 18 I can deduce something similar like liverpoolfan1 did above. (Note there is some devils advocacy below but it just gives food for though and what Ricki might be thinking.)

In a 4-4-2 formation,:
*the back 5 will stay the same. Aloisi and Johnson will be your ball winners, Smeltz will play up front. Thus you need 2 ball players and another striker. Now while Daniel and Felipe are ball playing midfielders, their style is more ball-at-feet run at the opposition rather than the passing game (Felipe runs more so than Daniel). I'm not suggesting that Daniel or Felipe be dropped but does their style of football fit in with a 4-4-2 formation with 2 ball winning midfielders? You would then have no distributers in the team or midfield which would lead to be the ball being run not passed from the midfield. Is this Rickis style of football?? Elrich, Ferrante, and Brown are passing midfielders and I would suggest that the reason that Ferrante has held his spot in the starting line up is because A: he is fit and available and B: he is an opposite style of footballer to Daniel and Felipe and thus gives balance to the playing XI. He brings the distribution skills in the form of a passing game that maybe the others aren't as strong at. (see the ball that Ferrante laid off that led to Daniels penalty against Sydney)

*If you drop Johnson and play your two Brazilians and either Ferrante of Brown in the middle 4 alongside Aloisi, then you have one less ball winner (which has been the Phoenix's strength this year, possession in the middle of the pitch) Risking the loss of possession and dominance through the middle of the pitch would allow teams to run down the middle, because they haven't gotten past Lockhead or Christie out wide thus far. Do you allow teams to run directly at Dodd and O'Dor? They have played very well, but they have played well behind Aloisi and Johnson who have won possession and dominated the middle of the park not allowing oppositions to run at the back 2 through the middle. Leaving in Ferrante/Brown for Johnson does give you an added ball player from the middle of the park but at what cost to possession?

*Who do you play off Smeltz? Smeltz is a back to goal striker and holds the ball up for someone to run off him so you have to pick a striker that has a strength in running off a partner all day. Vaughan Coveny? Brownlie runs at the defense ala Felipe, haven't seen enough of George to be objective sorry

I don't have an answer or propose one but if Ricki picks the people for the formation, there might be a surprise. Food for thought above, I welcome objective criticism.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Lochhead is close to a cert as we don't have many other options for left back unless Ivan plays there


I'm sure I saw Kris Bouckenooghe playing at left back last year for a game and played well.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
On what exactly are you basing this assertion?

Maybe Paston has been practicing his Fantastic Four Reed Richards impersonation and has rubber arms that can stretch to save any ball? Maybe he has wings like Angle from X-Men 3 and can fly to get the ones from the top corner?

Yeah I know its a bit Hollywood, make believe. But so is nightz assertions....
DrQuack322007-09-28 07:03:20
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azyr05 wrote:
     Nightz, Have you ever watched the Nix play? It's not looking good for a positive answer on that question...
 
 
 Silly question. I'll be silly and answer it. Yes. 
 
Bring back No. 1

A dog with a bone :)

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