Team Formations: Where will Costa be getting a run

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hi

I was hoping that everyone would chip in with their new formations. Even though they are rumours, lets assume that Porter or other striker and Vicelich are on board.

I was wondering then where the backs are going to be fitted in- it does seem like you would have Siggy behind Mckain and Durante in the pecking order for the two centre roles- assuming 4-4-2...

also I want to see where Costa might play cos I hope he gets A) a decent run and B) not kicked to all sh*te.

doesn't have to be the best formation...just how you see these players working in combo...

here's a start....

Lia      Siggie Durante    Lochead

                  Vicelich/Brown/Mckain

                      Brown/ Vicelich
Leo/Costa                                         Costa/Gao

             Daniel/Costa

          Smeltz

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Moss

Durante/Mckain/Lochead

Vicelich/Brown

Leo/Daniel/Gao

Smeltz/Porter

Bench

Paston

Dodd

Lia

Covney

Costa could come into it if we get a few a injuries but I suspect the first choice 11 will look a bit like that

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Costa up front with Smeltz if we don't get Porter.

a.haak

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

valeo wrote:

Costa up front with Smeltz if we don't get Porter.

as first choice in a 442 with Covs/hearfeld/maybe leo as back up?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

PROAK wrote:

Moss

Durante/Mckain/Lochead

Vicelich/Brown

Leo/Daniel/Gao

Smeltz/Porter

Bench

Paston

Dodd

Lia

Covney

Costa could come into it if we get a few a injuries but I suspect the first choice 11 will look a bit like that

right back? or a kind of 3 2-3 2?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

PROAK wrote:

Moss

Durante/Mckain/Lochead

Vicelich/Brown

Leo/Daniel/Gao

Smeltz/Porter

Bench

Paston

Dodd

Lia

Covney

Costa could come into it if we get a few a injuries but I suspect the first choice 11 will look a bit like that

right back? or a kind of 3 2-3 2?

I wouldn't like to guess, I know El**ch all about football.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

                            Moss

Lia         Durante         Sigmund        Lochhead

                        Vicelic

Bertos               Gao            Daniel

             Smeltz           Porter

Bench:
Paston
Ferrante
Costa
McKain

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ugh, don't much like the look of those back 3 formations. Also, is it likely that Vicelich will sign given the arrival of Sigmun and the statement that indicated there won't be any further defensive signings this season? Also, it seems unlikely that Siggy will start ahead of McKain who by all accounts is a classy, classy act.

Here's my preferred starting XI, lining up in a 4231 formation using only the players we have already signed.

                       Moss
Durante McKain   Siggy Lochhead
                Lia         Ferrante
Bertos            Daniel         Gao
                      Smeltz

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

PROAK wrote:

Moss

Durante/Mckain/Lochead

Vicelich/Brown

Leo/Daniel/Gao

Smeltz/Porter

Bench

Paston

Dodd

Lia

Covney

Costa could come into it if we get a few a injuries but I suspect the first choice 11 will look a bit like that

right back? or a kind of 3 2-3 2?

Yeah 3-2-3-2 - suits the make up of our squad unless Ricki decides to play someone out of position at RB

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

KTBW wrote:

Vicelich was originally a defensive mid - he gets played at the back a bit in internationals - he'd be an ideal replacement for Ross

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Moss

Dodd MCkain Durante Lochead

Vicelich

Bertos Ferrante Gao

Smeltz Porter

Siggy

Lia

Daniel

Costa

I am surprised that no one is picking Ferrante aside from the early shocking shooting balls ups of he was our best midfielder last year, particularly at the end of the season.

The best passer in the team and he has an excellent work rate.

Daniel will struggle to start this year unless he picks up his work rate, drifts out too much. That been said i think the same can be said for Gao when he was with the Knights, so its a toss up between thos two to start.

Costa to come off the bench.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

moss

lia Dodd durante lockhead

Mckain

Bertos Ferrante Daniel

Smeltz Porter

Siggy

costa

johnson

gao

Mckain played for Australia as a defensive mid... and did a good job by all accounts. Brown is out for the first part of the season with a groin problem. Daniel will start on the left. Many of the Phoenix's first season goals came from his crosses. He had the teams highest assists. Gao will replace him late match as an impact player.

Costa will probably get a run on the right occasionally to spell Bertos late match.

With the quality of our current CBs Siggy might struggle for game time. Probably get a run when we are 4-0 up at half time against the Jets.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ronaldunno wrote:

moss

lia Dodd durante lockhead

Mckain

Bertos Ferrante Daniel

Smeltz Porter

Siggy

costa

johnson

gao

Costa will probably get a run on the right occasionally to spell Bertos late match.

With the quality of our current CBs Siggy might struggle for game time. Probably get a run when we are 4-0 up at half time against the Jets.

So you reckon that at any one time- if we get Vicelich...any two of Dodd Durante Sigmund Mckain Vicelich will be sitting out- and Christie probably permanently away...barring niggles and injury...

bit of a shame about Brown... did not know this...damn the man needs to go bionic or something...

yeh my team without Ferrante was cos I wanted to put up a team with Costa in it...question about another formation up above..has Gao played in the centre of the midfield before? heard he was a pace and wide player...

martinb2008-04-09 18:11:05

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

                 MOSS
DODD DURRANTE SIGMUND/VICHELICH LOCHEAD
               MKAIN/VICHELICH
BURTOS          DANIEL               GAO
               HEARFIELD/COSTA
                  SMELTZ
subs
Paston
Porter
Lia
Ferrante

           footballking2008-04-09 19:27:11

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Like to see Costa upfront with Smeltz if we don't sign Porter or another Striker, even if we do sign another striker I think he has more than enough quality to have a starting role.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

How do we know Brown is out for the first part of the season? It's still a while off... would seem a bit early for anyone to come out and say he won't recover in time?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i'm guessing he would have had the op early in close season, all depends on how long the standard recovery period is for that kind of injury

I'd rather he missed the early part and came back fully fit than was rushed back

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

How are people convinced that Dodd can play RB well, he was fairly poor in all outings in that positions.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He never played there for the Phoenix, and was pretty decent in V1 for Queensland in a side with the best defensive record in the A-League.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Moss

Lia Durante Mckain Lochead

Dodd/Brown

Gao Bertos

Ferrant/daniel

Smeltz Porter

Subs: Paston

Sigmund

Dodd/Brown

Hearfield

Covs/Costa

A few 50/50's there

> If we dont get porter,chuck bertos sitting in behind smeltzy

and daneil on the left.

>Dodd and Brown i dunno,probly browny but I cant see doddy being left out at the start.perhaps

mckain will have to earn his spot.

>Give ferrante a crack from the start see how he goes and try lia as a make shift right back

>and finally on the bench mix it up with covs and costa.old and new.

felipe2008-04-10 10:42:07

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I do think Lia has the attributes required to be a solid right back. If he gets some proper practice there right through the preseason training and cup he could do a right proper job for us. Might be the only way he could get a start for us as well which is a shame, I definitely rate him as a player.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

GK Moss
RB McKain (by all accounts he's quick and has a top passing game)
CB Dodd (why change he was good last year)
CB Durante (why put the best CB in the A-League at right back)
LB Lochhead (was great there at the start of the season)
LW Bertos
CM Ferrante (has the potential to be outstanding)
CM Daniel
RW Gao
STR Porter
STR Smeltz

Bench
Paston
Ferrante
Hearfield
Coveny

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Xcellent wrote:

Works for me, that's who I'd be picking.....

theprof2008-04-10 13:52:19

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Xcellent wrote:

mmm, clones...

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why are people putting Vicelich and Porter in their teams when they aren't in the squad. By that logic I could just about put anyone in my team.

Seriously, with the squad we have

                   Moss
Dodd         Durante   Sigmund   Lochead
                 Ferrante      McKain
Bertos               Daniel                     Gao
                         Smeltz

Bench:
Paston
Lia
Costa/Covs
Brown

Only positions of contention are RB where Lia could play and DM which would alter depending on who is in defence.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

McKain won't be at right back, he's got the ideal CB attributes and will probably displace Dodd who is both short and slow. Having a good passing game has nothing to do with playing at RB either, you need to be able to tackle and have good stamina, crossing ability and positional sense. McKain would be wasted there. Lia or perhaps Dodd or Durante will start there.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

KTBW wrote:

agree that Dodd appears to lack pace and mobility (relative to other defenders in the squad) - which might not help his case for inclusion at right back

no problem with his attitude/skills - just the pace thing out wide

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

KTBW wrote:

McKain won't be at right back, he's got the ideal CB attributes and will probably displace Dodd who is both short and slow.

Dodd was our tallest and quickest back last season. The only thing I'll grant you here was he might be slightly slow turning.

I do think he could end up on the right though. He wasn't really in the position to get forward last year but a couple of times he gave into frustration and looked quite good taking the ball forward.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Dodd the quickest? Archie ran past both him and Rees when Melborne were at 10 men.

Ferrante wont start because if you start Daniel, China girl, Leo the greek, who is going to make tackles in that team??? None of those guys tackle

WHO IS GOING TO MAKE THE TACKLES BOYS?????????

I get tired of repeating that....
Agent 472008-04-10 15:44:47

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Centre backs don't have to be the definition of speed or acceleraton - FACT

Sammi Hyypia, for example.

It helps if one is generally got more about him in terms of speed - so Dodd with Mckain or Durante should be fine.

------------------Moss------------------------
----Lia--Dodd----Durante----Lochhead
---------------Mckain----------------------
--Bertos-------Daniel-----------Gao-------
----------Porter------Smeltz----------------

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Agent 47 wrote:

Dodd the quickest? Archie ran past both him and Rees when Melborne were at 10 men.

Perhaps Tony P could provide the answer to this highly important question.

Based on speed tests who was the quickest back in the first season?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

WellyT wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:

Dodd the quickest? Archie ran past both him and Rees when Melborne were at 10 men.

Perhaps Tony P could provide the answer to this highly important question.

Based on speed tests who was the quickest back in the first season?

I would say Lochead, O'Dor (him chasing down A.Thomson was great) and supposedly Old is pretty quick too.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Agent 47 wrote:

Exactly....if you play Bertos and Gao wide and then Daniel in the center, then you would not want another attacking mid fielder like Ferrante. You need a holding mid to track and tackle...like Johnson or Brown.

Not so sure about Daniel in center....he's a natural lefty. Waste of his crosses playing central. He will alternate with Gao.

Must say I'm excited about this team. Rock solid in the back and exciting attacking talent up front. I reckon we will kick some ass this season!!!!!!

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I doubt it was Lochead, if a player got past him he would usually have to take him out. WellyT2008-04-10 17:05:21

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ronaldunno wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:

You can play Ferrante and a DM if you only have 1 striker, or 1 less defender but more likely if you have 1 less striker

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The only way I can see Daniel, Bertos and Gao all starting is if we play 1 striker in a formation like this:

I think benching Ferrante would be a bad move, he gives us the sort of quality distribution that none of our other players can offer from the center of the park His crossfield passes should be a great way to get Bertos and Gao involved down the flanks. If we play 442 then I'd rather bench one of Daniel/Bertos/Gao than him.

========Moss========

Lia=McKain=Durante=Lochhead

====Ferrante===Brown===

=Bertos===Daniel====Gao=

========Smeltz=======

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Don't want Bertos as a second striker role, even if you're withdrawn a bit you still need to be able to score and Bertos isn't much good on that front. Put Daniel there if you have too but I really just want two out and out strikers.

Ferrante may operate as a deep lying play maker, I thought thats what he did quite a bit of last season. Deep enough to provide cover for the defense, but able to get up and put in the killer passes. Bit like Andrea Pirlo for Milan. Certainly with the excellent choice of central defenders we've got, this position isn't as crucial as it was last season.
WillyB2008-04-10 18:33:50

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If we dont get Porter, we could look something like this:

-------------Moss-----------
-Lia-Mckain-Durante-Lochhead
------Johnson--Brown----------
-Bertos-------------------Daniel-
_--------Gao----------Smeltz--

Gao is decent at striker aswell, maybe just in behind smeltz

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

At last a bit of common sense in the last few posts.

The unfortunate thing is that we suffer from a bit of duplicity amongst our better players. Leo the Greek, China White and Daniel are all very similar players. Would you leave any on the bench? Well no cause you want all the best players on the park. Ferrante does provide long range distribution skills ala Beckham where as the others are short range ball players. So then you have to decide the formation. Ricki wants 2 strikers to play attacking but has stated that he wants a back 4. So how do you make this all work?

The answer is moving to a more triangle short passing game. Ball runners are removed, long sweeping passes are removed. You can certainly use Daniel in a central midfield role (which I think is his best role) if he has a grunty balls out no holds barred ball winner beside him that likes to get dirty and physical.

The 2nd striker is the key. Do you use Smeltz as the man to hold the ball up and players run off him (as Emblen did well in his last few games for the Knights?) or do you find someone else to do that and have Smeltz run off. Smeltz had to do both roles last year as when Feipe was paired up front, Felipe certainly wasn't holding the ball up nor running off players.

I know this will create controversy but I don't think Joel Porter is the answer. Is he good, no doubt, could he help, sure, but he would need to compliment Smeltz and if he spends 90mins running off of one of the best strikers in the league in Smeltz (according to polls and voting) then when is Shano ever going to score goals if he is holding the ball up for everyone else. Thats not his game...

The answer or appropriate player? I don't know but I would say look how much better Rooney plays partnered with Crouch and running off of him than he does Owen. A big tall strong strapping lad to hold up and control it for the partner.
Agent 472008-04-10 21:30:14

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