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Terry's neverending money issues

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A little annoyed at the stance the WCC has taken on this. Does anyone know how much the WCC bid to keep the Sevens in Wgtn? The Phoenix dont bring in as much as the Sevens, roughly half according to economic impact studies i could find online but still significant at $7.9million for the 11 home games last season. What is stopping Terry offering the Phoenix to the highest bidding city council?
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Junior82 wrote:
If I said something rude about Terry or Kosta would you b*tch slap me please?
nahhh
 
everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you critisize kost, I don't really care, because his skill is more than obvious, and his success speaks for itself.
 
Alot of people have their opinions about Terry, its called the tall poppy syndrome,
look at what he's done for nz football for starters.
 
his financials shouldn't be the publics business, there are alot of factors in the headlines that are not true, so I think everyone should leave him the hell alone, he'll sort his business out!
 
That is all!
LisaKi2010-11-17 12:58:59
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Jag wrote:
You said I was rude, and immature and then threatened me with physical violence! I made no comment about you personally
 
Oh, and feel free to make fun of my idiotic remarks any time you like, it's part of the fun
 
p.s. is that the 5 minute bitch slap, or the full half hour?
REALLY, you're going to pull the 'threaten you with physical violence' card?
heheheheh
 
thats just funny
LisaKi2010-11-17 13:00:43
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Can anybody shed any light on what this problem might be between Terry and the Dom Post? Somebody said it might have been something to do with The Apprentice but, as I didn't watch it, I don't know what might have happened there.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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LisaKi treading very close to the banstick line.
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
This is now serious....very serious for the club ownership.
 
 
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If the company holding the A League licence is liquidated then the licence reverts to FFA (or it may be NZF in the Phoenix's case - I'm not certain).  The IRD could not "put the club up for sale" as you say.
 
So the IRD in fact has very little to gain from liquidating Century City Football Limited. 
 
We're in for a month of uncertainty, but there is no danger of the club disappearing this season.  The FFA could not let that happen as it would damage the credibility of the competition.
 
Either Terry will keep running the Phoenix, or someone else will.  That someone else may well be the FFA - and there is plenty of precedent for this in the league already.
 
It's not in the FFA's interests for Terry to be gone however - unless he is financially mismanaging the club (which hasn't been suggested). 
 
So my pick is that one way or another Century City Football Limited will stave off liquidation and carry on.  It's in more peoples' interests for that to happen (including the IRD's, the FFA's, the other clubs', the players', and Terry's).
 
 
 
 
It is a somewhat grey area whether  the IRD could "put the club up for sale". Their problem is with Century City Football Ltd. The IRD can liquidate CCF and try and recover whatever assets that might be saleable. I would assume that this could include the brand "Phoenix". It depends how you define "the club". But anything owned by CCF Ltd would be put up for sale by the IRD, including the brand name.
 
The only way CCF can stave off liquidation is to pay the money owed....either from Terry's assets  or introducing a new investor who pays offf the IRD in exchange for part ownership.
 
As for the IRD having "little to gain" from liquidating CCF, that is irrelevant. The IRD is not a charity...they will vigourously persue the recovery of any money owed....in fact there is probably already heavy late payment penalties due. They will liquidate!!!!!
 
 
You are right the licence is not a saleable item. I would revert back to NZF or the FFA who would then decide on the next course of action....most probably finding another operator. This has occured quite often in the A-League.....too often for the FFA.
 
If CCF is liquidated and the licence goes back to FFA/NZF then "Phoenix" as we know it ceases to exist. The brand is owned by CCF, the player/staff contracts are held with CCF. Everything is up for grabs. This does not mean the label "phoenix " is finished.....it just means that the future is very complicated.
 
Very little of that is accurate.
 
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Which bits are accurate and which bits are not?
 
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I'm an idiot with business stuff. And can't be arsed reading all this.

But, is this any different to any of the other million articles they've had over Terry's money?

Maybe Stuff could quote that and then answer it themselves.
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FFS. Dompost had lost me as a regular customer/reader long ago because of this and it's evident there are many more football/phoenix fans doing the same. Keep it up Dompost  well done.

Fuck this stupid game

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zinidane wrote:
Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
This is now serious....very serious for the club ownership.
 
 
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If the company holding the A League licence is liquidated then the licence reverts to FFA (or it may be NZF in the Phoenix's case - I'm not certain).  The IRD could not "put the club up for sale" as you say.
 
So the IRD in fact has very little to gain from liquidating Century City Football Limited. 
 
We're in for a month of uncertainty, but there is no danger of the club disappearing this season.  The FFA could not let that happen as it would damage the credibility of the competition.
 
Either Terry will keep running the Phoenix, or someone else will.  That someone else may well be the FFA - and there is plenty of precedent for this in the league already.
 
It's not in the FFA's interests for Terry to be gone however - unless he is financially mismanaging the club (which hasn't been suggested). 
 
So my pick is that one way or another Century City Football Limited will stave off liquidation and carry on.  It's in more peoples' interests for that to happen (including the IRD's, the FFA's, the other clubs', the players', and Terry's).
 
 
 
 
It is a somewhat grey area whether  the IRD could "put the club up for sale". Their problem is with Century City Football Ltd. The IRD can liquidate CCF and try and recover whatever assets that might be saleable. I would assume that this could include the brand "Phoenix". It depends how you define "the club". But anything owned by CCF Ltd would be put up for sale by the IRD, including the brand name.
 
The only way CCF can stave off liquidation is to pay the money owed....either from Terry's assets  or introducing a new investor who pays offf the IRD in exchange for part ownership.
 
As for the IRD having "little to gain" from liquidating CCF, that is irrelevant. The IRD is not a charity...they will vigourously persue the recovery of any money owed....in fact there is probably already heavy late payment penalties due. They will liquidate!!!!!
 
 
You are right the licence is not a saleable item. I would revert back to NZF or the FFA who would then decide on the next course of action....most probably finding another operator. This has occured quite often in the A-League.....too often for the FFA.
 
If CCF is liquidated and the licence goes back to FFA/NZF then "Phoenix" as we know it ceases to exist. The brand is owned by CCF, the player/staff contracts are held with CCF. Everything is up for grabs. This does not mean the label "phoenix " is finished.....it just means that the future is very complicated.
 
Very little of that is accurate.
 
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Which bits are accurate and which bits are not?
 
Yeah if its inaccurate then please explain to us why Smithy.
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"The club had been exploring different ownership models to relieve some of the financial strain on Mr Serepisos.

"Over the past couple of months we've worked on a couple of different potential models that the club could run going forward, based on a shared ownership model and a supporters' trust model as well," Mr Greenham said."

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theprof wrote:
f**k me Tery, sort your sh*t out.....as if the club doesn't have enough issues at the moment.....


This is probably the reason the team has been performing poorly. Chances are the players haven't been paid.
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terminator_x wrote:

"The club had been exploring different ownership models to relieve some of the financial strain on Mr Serepisos.

"Over the past couple of months we've worked on a couple of different potential models that the club could run going forward, based on a shared ownership model and a supporters' trust model as well," Mr Greenham said."

 
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Therk wrote:
theprof wrote:
f**k me Tery, sort your sh*t out.....as if the club doesn't have enough issues at the moment.....


This is probably the reason the team has been performing poorly. Chances are the players haven't been paid.
 
Massive yarn.
 
The players have been paid, and knew nothing about any of this until it hit the papers today.
Smithy2010-11-16 15:18:58

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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according to the players - article on stuff - they are being paid and have nothing to complain about. I'm more worried about nthe mental impact all this outside pressure has on top of an already poor run of results.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Therk wrote:

theprof wrote:
f**k me Tery, sort your sh*t out.....as if the club doesn't have enough issues at the moment.....
This is probably the reason the team has been performing poorly. Chances are the players haven't been paid.


They don't deserve to be paid
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zinidane wrote:
Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
This is now serious....very serious for the club ownership.
 
 
.
 
 
If the company holding the A League licence is liquidated then the licence reverts to FFA (or it may be NZF in the Phoenix's case - I'm not certain).  The IRD could not "put the club up for sale" as you say.
 
So the IRD in fact has very little to gain from liquidating Century City Football Limited. 
 
We're in for a month of uncertainty, but there is no danger of the club disappearing this season.  The FFA could not let that happen as it would damage the credibility of the competition.
 
Either Terry will keep running the Phoenix, or someone else will.  That someone else may well be the FFA - and there is plenty of precedent for this in the league already.
 
It's not in the FFA's interests for Terry to be gone however - unless he is financially mismanaging the club (which hasn't been suggested). 
 
So my pick is that one way or another Century City Football Limited will stave off liquidation and carry on.  It's in more peoples' interests for that to happen (including the IRD's, the FFA's, the other clubs', the players', and Terry's).
 
 
 
 
It is a somewhat grey area whether  the IRD could "put the club up for sale". Their problem is with Century City Football Ltd. The IRD can liquidate CCF and try and recover whatever assets that might be saleable. I would assume that this could include the brand "Phoenix". It depends how you define "the club". But anything owned by CCF Ltd would be put up for sale by the IRD, including the brand name.
 
The only way CCF can stave off liquidation is to pay the money owed....either from Terry's assets  or introducing a new investor who pays offf the IRD in exchange for part ownership.
 
As for the IRD having "little to gain" from liquidating CCF, that is irrelevant. The IRD is not a charity...they will vigourously persue the recovery of any money owed....in fact there is probably already heavy late payment penalties due. They will liquidate!!!!!
 
 
You are right the licence is not a saleable item. I would revert back to NZF or the FFA who would then decide on the next course of action....most probably finding another operator. This has occured quite often in the A-League.....too often for the FFA.
 
If CCF is liquidated and the licence goes back to FFA/NZF then "Phoenix" as we know it ceases to exist. The brand is owned by CCF, the player/staff contracts are held with CCF. Everything is up for grabs. This does not mean the label "phoenix " is finished.....it just means that the future is very complicated.
 
Very little of that is accurate.
 
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Which bits are accurate and which bits are not?
 
 
Okay, in very short form - the FFA are very clever at ringfencing their ownership of the league.
 
For example, go to www.iponz.govt.nz and search for "Wellington Phoenix".  See who owns that trade mark?
 
The Phoenix effectively belongs to the FFA.  They let CCF run it, and keep any profit (or suck up any loss).
 
CCF's only "asset" is the right it has to run an A League franchise.  That right evaporates as soon as it is liquidated.  While it retains that right, and remains in existence, it has the chance to trade its way out of its debt. 
 
Liquidate it, and the IRD get nothing. 
 
All the assets of value revert to the FFA, any remaining money goes to pay staff first, and then the IRD would get anything that is left after that, which aint going to be $1.6million that's for sure.  More likely they'll be faced with a lengthy legal battle with the FFA to get any yet-to-be-paid broadcasting or other payments.
 
There are, in fact, three ways that CCF can stave off liquidation proceedings.  One is to pay the debt outright, two is to come to an arrangement with IRD to pay the debt over time, and three is to go into voluntary liquidation (although the deadline for this has passed I think).
 
My bet is that they will enter into a payment arrangement for CCF, combined with a partial lump-sum paid either out of Terry's coffers, or stumped up on the quiet by the FFA.
 
And that is that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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"Fans have taken to the Yellow Fever support club's online forums to express their distress."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4347735/CEO-Phoenix-won-t-fall-over-Serepisos-money-woes

Yeah, distress at your woeful reporting. Quit sh*t stirring you sorry excuse for a newspaper.
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1. I truely hope that Terry finds a way out of his financial predicament and he continues to be the passion and driving force behind the Nix.
 
2. Whatever the future holds his contribution to NZ football, his home town and the joy he has brought so many is something he should be incredibly proud of - long may it continue.
 
3. At times like this it is up to fans to support the club in every way we can.
 
4. At time like this is up to Ricki and the team to dig extra deep and repay the faith the owner has shown in them.
 
5. Doom Post - hang your collective head in shame - yes this is a legitimate story but the joy you obviously take in every trial and tribulation Terry suffers is sickenening - go f**k yourselves.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Doom Post - I like it.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Smithy wrote:
LisaKi treading very close to the banstick line.
 
 
for kidding around???
 
wow
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A �Sir� Serepisos supporter

 

Naturally it was hard to miss the front page of the Tuesday paper. I have to say I am a huge supporter of �Sir� Serepisos and it is one thing to have his problems poured out in the open for the whole nation to see, but to have an actual breakdown of the debts, that�s not right at all. Millions of us have debts that we have to pay back, and that�s just fact of life. Nobody can knock what Terry Serepisos has done for so many people and even though there is so much bad press regarding his debts, I still continue to look up to him as if he were a very significant higher being.

It would still be a dream come true to work for you Mr Serepisos and I hope you did receive my curriculum vitae and will contact me should any vacancies arise.

Forever supportive

Danielle Saunders

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Doom Onion Post.  They must be doing good business today.  I voted in their poll, why is it that most of the votes are for "I don't follow football".  Those people must be loving this. 
 

Are you worried about the future of the Phoenix?

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< =poll_ = value=_4348700 name=> Yes

< =poll_ = value=_4348701 name=> No

< =poll_ = value=_4348702 name=> I don't follow football

</>
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A �Sir� Serepisos supporter

Naturally it was hard to miss the front page of the Tuesday paper. I have to say I am a huge supporter of �Sir� Serepisos and it is one thing to have his problems poured out in the open for the whole nation to see, but to have an actual breakdown of the debts, that�s not right at all. Millions of us have debts that we have to pay back, and that�s just fact of life. Nobody can knock what Terry Serepisos has done for so many people and even though there is so much bad press regarding his debts, I still continue to look up to him as if he were a very significant higher being.

It would still be a dream come true to work for you Mr Serepisos and I hope you did receive my curriculum vitae and will contact me should any vacancies arise.

Forever supportive

Danielle Saunders

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Director82 wrote:
A �Sir� Serepisos supporter

Naturally it was hard to miss the front page of the Tuesday paper. I have to say I am a huge supporter of �Sir� Serepisos and it is one thing to have his problems poured out in the open for the whole nation to see, but to have an actual breakdown of the debts, that�s not right at all. Millions of us have debts that we have to pay back, and that�s just fact of life. Nobody can knock what Terry Serepisos has done for so many people and even though there is so much bad press regarding his debts, I still continue to look up to him as if he were a very significant higher being.

It would still be a dream come true to work for you Mr Serepisos and I hope you did receive my curriculum vitae and will contact me should any vacancies arise.

Forever supportive

Danielle Saunders

 
Um? This wasn't a job application thread by the way
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....and we heard you the first time

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I wouldnt mind betting that hafl the New Zealand business world have finanicial issues right now why should Terry be any different. As others have said the Nix have not had to go cap in hand to be 'finacially helped' by football Australia so terry is doing something right!! I have been a member since the inception of the Nix and have never once thought of Terry in other terms other than the man who bought top class (maybe not top class) football to Wellington and as a very grateful football supporter I offer him my total loyalty and all other supporters of the Nix should be supporting this man either verbally or financially(buying nix goods)
maybe somewhere down the track the Nix could offer a share issue or even bring in some investors to carry the financial load
 
and before I forget  f**k off Dom post.......

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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paullt wrote:
I wouldnt mind betting that hafl the New Zealand business world have finanicial issues right now why should Terry be any different. As others have said the Nix have not had to go cap in hand to be 'finacially helped' by football Australia so terry is doing something right!! I have been a member since the inception of the Nix and have never once thought of Terry in other terms other than the man who bought top class (maybe not top class) football to Wellington and as a very grateful football supporter I offer him my total loyalty and all other supporters of the Nix should be supporting this man either verbally or financially(buying nix goods)
maybe somewhere down the track the Nix could offer a share issue or even bring in some investors to carry the financial load
 
and before I forget  f**k off Dom post.......
Clearly he has not had to go to the FFA, he has been using the NZ Taxpayer instead!
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Your reporting, your reporting
Your reporting's full of sh!t.
 
Your reporting's full of sh!t.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Slow day in the news I see..

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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Smithy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
Smithy wrote:
 
Very little of that is accurate.
 
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Which bits are accurate and which bits are not?
 
 
Okay, in very short form - [...]
 
<snip>
 
And that is that.
 
And that is an excellent post, well said.
 
Smithy 1 -Zinidane F.R.Off.
bwtcf2010-11-16 16:09:23

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Thanks bwtcf but zidane is a valued contributor here and talks a lot of sense.

Just in this case maybe didn't have as much info in front of him as he needed.
 
Carry on.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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No doubt.
 
I was just meaning to indicate that in this exchange you were challenged to answer, and that you did so very well. I didn't mean F.R.O. and stop contributing... I meant you won that little debate handsomely...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Why is every1 ripping on the dom post its a good scandelous story which will sell papers which is their sole goal. Terry should just pay his sh*t and NZF should inject money into the nix. 12ubb3rduck3y2010-11-16 16:21:20
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Who is the NZFC?
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[QUOTE=2ndBest]Who is the NZFC?[/QUOTE
 
lol just edited it to NZF.
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Clearly a new competitor in the NZ Football market.
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I'd like a job with Terry too, any chances?
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CboZ wrote:
I'd like a job with Terry too, any chances?
 
no
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bwtcf wrote:
No doubt.
 
I was just meaning to indicate that in this exchange you were challenged to answer, and that you did so very well. I didn't mean F.R.O. and stop contributing... I meant you won that little debate handsomely...
 
I am handsome, it's true.
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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