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Terry and his money (aka gone...or not..)

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james dean wrote:
theprof wrote:
Hell I work in a bank and know full well that Terry's credit is shot.....all of our corporate lenders here know Terry well adn quite simply his businesses are not paying their debt back....which is why he's gone of shore....as always I find it laughable that Terry's financial situation has been such big news when every property mogul in Wellington,. the country is under huge pressure. In fact alot of them have already been liquidated/bankrupted, do we know who they are? do we care? does the NZ public care? NO!!!! The only reason the doom post, IRD< ACC have tried to make Terry's case a public one is because of the Nix.
 
So a football club owner/media personality/ property mogul/ Wellington celebrity/ rich lister's business empire is crashing down around him and you don't think it's newsworthy??
 
Put it this way, if the same thing was happening to Bob Jones would it be front page news?  Yes, for all the same reasons, but that would be nothing to do with the Phoenix
 
You make good points as always Jamesdean, but to be fair i'm more interested in your response to Doloras' post, she has a very good point...
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Doloras wrote:
A question for james dean: is anything positive happening, or is the club doomed, on and off the field? Because that's what I get from every single post you've written over the last year. Nothing's right: Terry's finances (fair point), Ricki's coaching, selection issues, etc, etc... I am quite simply wondering what you would do, if you got the licence from Terry and had a few million to throw around. Because there are some people who just get a kick out of being a wet blanket.
 
1. You are right, I think it's been a pretty poor 12 months for the club:
 
Off park...
 
- consistent bad publicity from financial problems, including threats to liquidate club
 
- lower crowds year on year
 
- poor relations with the medai culminating in editorial piece from Millmow and relationship with the dompost becoming the story
 
On park...
 
- terrible away form (worst in 4 years)
 
- dropped places in league
 
- poor off season recruitment, failure to build on club's best year
 
- losing Kosta
 
- confused tactics (including ill fated experiment with 3 at the back)
 
Yes, there have been some good things (Marco, youth team, team kit sponsorship) but I don't think there has been a lot of progress made to be honest.  There is no standing still in football so in my view we have gone backwards.    As to your question about what I would do, funnily enough I am about half way through writing a number of those down.  I was going to wait until after the season but I may as well post them - will try and do this week.
 
Daloras, interested to hear what you think has gone well this year??

Normo's coming home

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The media profile has more to do with the Apprentice than the Phoenix I suspect.
 
The reality is it's not something any of us here can control, we could (and in private do) angst about it but we just have to hope our Swiss/Middle Eastern crooks/New owners and masters come through so Terry can.
 
 
Hard News2011-02-16 09:15:29

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james dean wrote:
 
On park...
 
- terrible away form (worst in 4 years)
 
- dropped places in league
 
- poor off season recruitment, failure to build on club's best year
 
- losing Kosta
 
- confused tactics (including ill fated experiment with 3 at the back)
 
Yes, there have been some good things (Marco, youth team, team kit sponsorship) but I don't think there has been a lot of progress made to be honest.  There is no standing still in football so in my view we have gone backwards.    As to your question about what I would do, funnily enough I am about half way through writing a number of those down.  I was going to wait until after the season but I may as well post them - will try and do this week.
 
Although some of what you have said is true, we are playing much less long ball than previous seasons. There have been more good passages of play. I suspect the number of passes we have made is way up, maybe more than double last years. Muscat has continued to develop, he is now probably our best player. Macalister has turned out to be a pretty decent signing. There have definately been some disapointing results but when they needed to get a big result they quite often delivered. It is not as bad as you are making out.
 
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rjmiller wrote:
james dean wrote:
 
On park...
 
- terrible away form (worst in 4 years)
 
- dropped places in league
 
- poor off season recruitment, failure to build on club's best year
 
- losing Kosta
 
- confused tactics (including ill fated experiment with 3 at the back)
 
Yes, there have been some good things (Marco, youth team, team kit sponsorship) but I don't think there has been a lot of progress made to be honest.  There is no standing still in football so in my view we have gone backwards.    As to your question about what I would do, funnily enough I am about half way through writing a number of those down.  I was going to wait until after the season but I may as well post them - will try and do this week.
 [/QUOTE]
Although some of what you have said is true, we are playing much less long ball than previous seasons. There have been more good passages of play. I suspect the number of passes we have made is way up, maybe more than double last years. Muscat has continued to develop, he is now probably our best player. Macalister has turned out to be a pretty decent signing.
 
Agree to an extent, although that really applies only to our home games.  Away from home we are a soft touch, as a minimum we should be hard to beat.  Agree on Mcallister, I and many others were probably too quick to judge.  That said, I don't see him as a title winning striker, or nearly in the class of Ifill in top form.
 
[QUOTE=rjmiller]There have definately been some disapointing results but when they needed to get a big result they quite often delivered. It is not as bad as you are making out.
 
This I strongly disagree with.  If we'd won the big games we would be higher than 6th - the table doesn't lie.  We finished 24 points off first and were clearly outclassed in matches against the top sides.  The generous top 6 shouldn't cloud our judgement, we're miles away from winning the league (and further away than last year).  If there was only a top 5 we'd say this was a poor season, given last year.

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james dean wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
There have definately been some disapointing results but when they needed to get a big result they quite often delivered. It is not as bad as you are making out.
 
This I strongly disagree with.  If we'd won the big games we would be higher than 6th - the table doesn't lie.  We finished 24 points off first and were clearly outclassed in matches against the top sides.  The generous top 6 shouldn't cloud our judgement, we're miles away from winning the league (and further away than last year).  If there was only a top 5 we'd say this was a poor season, given last year.
We came 6th largely through a poor first half of the season. Then when we needed to get results we did. I suspect we would be a bit higher than 6 over the second half. I'm not trying to excuse lethargic performances away from home at the start of the season but we are still alive and I'm pretty confident we will give the finals a good shake.
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Pretty hard to just keep getting better and better every season - not many teams do. If they did, the A-League would be better quality than the EPL in a 10 years. Cosimo2011-02-16 09:44:45
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Cosimo wrote:
Pretty hard to just keep getting better and better every season - not many teams do. If they did, the A-League would be better quality than the EPL in a 10 years.
 
I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?
 
Anyway, this is all miles off topic but if anyone does have any positives from 2010/2011 then feel free to post them in here and lighten the mood.  Don't want you guys to start your days off in a bad mood - perhaps the fact that I'm still at work and it's 5 deg outside may have something to do with it!

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:

Daloras, interested to hear what you think has gone well this year??


The question is not whether this season has been as good as last season - obviously not - but the question is whether this has been bad luck or bad management. I lean towards the former. Sorry to re-open an old thread, but I really don't think the Nix could have done anything to keep Kosta, given that he barely got a game last season - and the argument isn't about what we did wrong last season, is it?

The other point is - just like all property developers are up to their arses in hock at the moment, not just Terry - all A-League teams are in the crap financially. The Roar are floundering money-wise (perhaps after buying Kosta a private jet and his own island or something). The Furries are virtually gone, the Jest almost went, Cold Ghost have no fans. I count our continued existence as a victory given the circumstances.

I think Ricki himself has admitted that recruitment didn't go right, but you take your chances. I remember HN rolling his eyes when Ward was signed, but Nicky's been one of our best players once he got his act together. For ever Toto there's been a Big Mac. We should also point out that "the wind and the rain" are one of the main reasons why great players might think twice about coming here (remember Bambang?)

Injury troubles haven't helped either. Please also note that our #1 goalscorer and our #1 keeper have been crocked for a goodly part of the season, and our former #1 winger has been the walking wounded for a long time.

I would listen to "dump Terry" stuff if there was someone else with a truckload of money willing to blow $1 million a year on a pro football team in New Zealand who wasn't a dodgy property dealer. I would listen to "sack Ricki" stuff if anyone could name a better Nix/AWs coach who would want to live in Wellington and earn what we pay Ricki.

Tl;dr: I'm not overjoyed with this season but I don't actually see how it could have realisticially been better given where we started from in August 2010. It's self-defeating to believe that everything that goes wrong is our own fault.
Doloras2011-02-16 09:56:43

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james dean wrote:

I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?


So what will Brisbane Roar have to do next season to satisfy their equivalents of you? Go undefeated?

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james dean wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
Pretty hard to just keep getting better and better every season - not many teams do. If they did, the A-League would be better quality than the EPL in a 10 years.
 
I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?
 
Anyway, this is all miles off topic but if anyone does have any positives from 2010/2011 then feel free to post them in here and lighten the mood.  Don't want you guys to start your days off in a bad mood - perhaps the fact that I'm still at work and it's 5 deg outside may have something to do with it!
 
So if every team did the 'minimum requirement' and got better each season, how does a team finish last, or not make the playoffs? team A finishes last one season, then 9th, then 8th....but what team fills the lower spots if every team is getting better each year? It's all relative to the other teams.
 
If a team wins the league one year, does that mean next season they fail unless they win the league in an even more dominant fashion than before? It can't just be up and up, of course there will be seasons which aren't as good as previous ones. The 'minimum' requirement is to survive.
 
This is my scale:
 
do well - great
 
do average - ok
 
this seems to be yours:
 
do well - minimum requirement
 
do average - bad
 
 
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Doloras wrote:
james dean wrote:

I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?


So what will Brisbane Roar have to do next season to satisfy their equivalents of you? Go undefeated?
 
Exactly what I was getting at, thanks
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BTW, I'm sure the Fury would love to be in our dire position
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james dean wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
Pretty hard to just�keep getting better and better every season - not many teams do. If they did, the A-League would be better quality than the EPL in a�10 years. [/QUOTE]

I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?

Anyway, this is all miles off topic but if anyone does have any positives from 2010/2011 then feel free to post them in here and lighten the mood.� Don't want you guys to start your days off in a bad mood - perhaps the fact that I'm still at work and it's 5 deg outside may have something to do with it!][/QUOTE]
[quote=Bullion]Some more interesting stats.

2nd half of the season we have gotten 26 points, 3rd best for that period (Bris 33, CCM 32). We had the 2nd best home record with 33 points (Bris 35) and the 3rd worst away with 8 points (NQF 7, Perth 7). Vs the top half we come in 2nd 18 points (Bris 23) and vs bottom half we are sixth with 23 points (CCM 35,ADL 34).

If anything is wrong I am getting my data from SINZ's A League spreadsheet

[quote=Joffa]Wellington Phoenix

10 games 116,833
11 games 79,124
13 games 116,549
15 games 119,716

Wellington Phoenix Aggregate Regular season attendance Total: 432,222

Wellington Phoenix 49 home games aggregate attendance average: 8,820

Average for each season:

11,683
7,193
8,965
7,980

I think it hasn't been a great season, first half terrible and as shown second half has been very good. Crowds aren't the worst they have ever been, the squad isn't perfect as shown with injuries (mainly insufficient cover at LB) but how would we have gone last season if Ifill was injured from December, Lochhead was injured and the same for Bertos. With Ifill and Bertos injured shows we have more depth in certain positions. We also have a streak going for home wins currently at 6, 3rd best ever in the A League (and potential to add to that next season).

And to add, we are one of 3 teams to make the playoffs in the last 2 seasons.Bullion2011-02-16 10:19:45
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Doloras wrote:
james dean wrote:

I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?


So what will Brisbane Roar have to do next season to satisfy their equivalents of you? Go undefeated?
 
That's silly - if we win the league then I'll happily drink beer in the sun and not care a jot about our results for the next season.  Until we do we HAVE to TRY and keep improving year on year if we want to win the thing, which has to be our goal.  I don't see how that is controversial.
 
Secondly, I think it's doubly disappointing because last year we were close to the guys at the top - genuinely close.  The off season was a real chance to go to the next level and compete with the best teams, maybe even top them.  Instead we went backwards and kind of dropped out of that group on the coat tails of the top 2 - that means it's harder to get closer to the title.
 
I want us to win the title.  I think we can do it, I really do.  Last year was amazing, the game against Newcastle at the stadium was one of the top 5 sports events of my life and I want it again.  I don't think it's unreasonable to judge this season against the last and be disappointed.

Normo's coming home

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I don't think it's unreasonable but by the same token I'm not sure we need to see it as impending doom.  A number of last years finalists didn't even make the top 6 this year, we did. 
 
Ideally we take a year where injuries and the World Cup have impacted us yet still made the play-offs and next year take the last two seasons and make that next big step.
 
It's not like Brisbane or Central Coast were on the top teams coat tails last season.

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@ JD - Fair enough. Like pretty much all arguments, I'm simply justifying my own position to myself.
 
You go on being disappointed all you want
 
I never thought we'd come close to winning the league this year, though, so I guess I have less to be disappointed about.
 
@ News - agreed
Cosimo2011-02-16 10:33:45
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Hard News wrote:
I don't think it's unreasonable but by the same token I'm not sure we need to see it as impending doom.� A number of last years finalists didn't even make the top 6 this year, we did.


Only three of last year's finalists repeated.

Cold Ghost: 3rd last year, 4th this.
Tards: 2nd last year, 5th this.
Nix: 4th last year, 6th this.

This is the nature of a league where there's a salary cap. Consistent performances season-on-season are the exception rather than the rule. So by those tokens, the Nix are one of the three most consistent sides in the A-League.

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Doloras wrote:
james dean wrote:

Daloras, interested to hear what you think has gone well this year??


The question is not whether this season has been as good as last season - obviously not - but the question is whether this has been bad luck or bad management. I lean towards the former. Sorry to re-open an old thread, but I really don't think the Nix could have done anything to keep Kosta, given that he barely got a game last season - and the argument isn't about what we did wrong last season, is it?

The other point is - just like all property developers are up to their arses in hock at the moment, not just Terry - all A-League teams are in the crap financially. The Roar are floundering money-wise (perhaps after buying Kosta a private jet and his own island or something). The Furries are virtually gone, the Jest almost went, Cold Ghost have no fans. I count our continued existence as a victory given the circumstances.

I think Ricki himself has admitted that recruitment didn't go right, but you take your chances. I remember HN rolling his eyes when Ward was signed, but Nicky's been one of our best players once he got his act together. For ever Toto there's been a Big Mac. We should also point out that "the wind and the rain" are one of the main reasons why great players might think twice about coming here (remember Bambang?)

Injury troubles haven't helped either. Please also note that our #1 goalscorer and our #1 keeper have been crocked for a goodly part of the season, and our former #1 winger has been the walking wounded for a long time.

I would listen to "dump Terry" stuff if there was someone else with a truckload of money willing to blow $1 million a year on a pro football team in New Zealand who wasn't a dodgy property dealer. I would listen to "sack Ricki" stuff if anyone could name a better Nix/AWs coach who would want to live in Wellington and earn what we pay Ricki.

Tl;dr: I'm not overjoyed with this season but I don't actually see how it could have realisticially been better given where we started from in August 2010. It's self-defeating to believe that everything that goes wrong is our own fault.
 
Daloras - I like your post a lot and I'm sympathetic to your point of view.
 
But I disagree with quite a lot of it.  On Terry, I want him to stay on and I'm not advocating he get chucked out.  I wish he'd keep us off the pages of the papers for the wrong reasons and I wish fans would stop pretending there isn't a problem and accusing the papers of some grand conspiracy.  I think it makes us look naive. If he can't afford to keep the team going I would hope he does the best thing for the fans and sells up (or investigates the possibility).  But I want him to stay, no questions.
 
Kosta has been done to death so will leave that one.
 
On recruitment, playing style, injuries etc I think a lot of it stems from a very poor off season.  Clearly a lot of that has to do with the world cup whcih you have to take a hit on because as kiwi fans we loved it but it's still a factor.
 
What I am not happy about is that clearly Ricki had his head turned after the tournament, basically he came back and did nothing while he waited to hear about the West Ham job.  We did no recruitment at that point and he stayed away.  Then when he didn't get that job he made a big song and dance about re-signing with the Phoenix and turning down other offers.  It is clear that was the only job he wanted.  At some point in time the nix job and the AW job need to be separated.  Maybe after the WC would have been a good time to do it
 
The season before we had great success with signing 2 great pros from the UK.  I will never understand why we didn't go back to that market and exploit our contacts.  We had 2 senior pros who would have preached until the cows came home, plus the kiwi dollar is at 2-1 to the pound so the pay gap is good.  Instead we had a succession of triallist who came and went - none signed.  That to me smacks of bad management and is symptomatic of how things have been run since Tony P left. 
 
Ward and Vukovic have worked out well but both were opportunistic signings.  North has been more of a mixed bag but basically the same.  We still lack the creative midfielder that we were crying out for last season and the guy signed to play there last year, and the guy signed to play there this year (Diego and Toto) have had about half an hour between them.  That's not bad luck.
 
Yes keeper and top scorer have been injured but we have had more than adequate replacements in Vuko and Marco ( who may not have had the same chances if Ifill and Leo were fit).
 
Yes other teams have problems - I still think there are things we could have done better.

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To be fair, North was a good signing - at the time.
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Cosimo wrote:
@ JD - Fair enough. Like pretty much all arguments, I'm simply justifying my own position to myself.
 
You go on being disappointed all you want
 
I never thought we'd come close to winning the league this year, though, so I guess I have less to be disappointed about.
 
@ News - agreed
 
Yep News is probably right - the WC has undoubtedly been a big problem. 

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Hard News wrote:
Beg to differ.
 
Most people jizzed a little. I did.
 
Anyway, you hate all signings - if it were up to you, our team would be:
 
Siggy - Siggy's brother - Siggy's friend - Siggy's mother
 
                               Marco
 
                                 Ifill
Cosimo2011-02-16 10:47:45
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Cosimo wrote:
To be fair, North was a good signing - at the time.
 
I agree - the point really is that he was a signing that came to us, rather than someone we targetted and planned to sign
james dean2011-02-16 10:47:45

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Now this is the first I've heard of the theory that the inadequate off-season recruitment was due to Ricki waiting for a call from Avram Grant. Is this one of those things that "the football community" know all about but never get out to us lesser mortals?

I don't believe anything that Simon Plumb says ever, but I am intrigued about the theory that Tony P is coming back. If there's one thing I would agree with that the Nix have fumbled on this season, it's PR.

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Hard News wrote:
You forgot Manny and Dura Cos.
 
on the bench next to Siggy's younger sister Sluggy?
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Doloras wrote:
I don't believe anything that Simon Plumb says ever, but I am intrigued about the theory that Tony P is coming back. If there's one thing I would agree with that the Nix have fumbled on this season, it's PR.
 
That probably has less to do with Tony leaving and more to do with not replacing three key staff (including Tony) who have left during the season so the three or four left are trying to do the work that as many as 10 or more do at other clubs.

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I blame terrorists and rap music
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Bullion wrote:
james dean wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
Pretty hard to just keep getting better and better every season - not many teams do. If they did, the A-League would be better quality than the EPL in a 10 years. [/QUOTE]

I don't really know what you're getting at - clearly the minimum requirement of every season is to perform better than the previous one?

Anyway, this is all miles off topic but if anyone does have any positives from 2010/2011 then feel free to post them in here and lighten the mood.  Don't want you guys to start your days off in a bad mood - perhaps the fact that I'm still at work and it's 5 deg outside may have something to do with it!][/QUOTE]
[quote=Bullion]Some more interesting stats.

2nd half of the season we have gotten 26 points, 3rd best for that period (Bris 33, CCM 32). We had the 2nd best home record with 33 points (Bris 35) and the 3rd worst away with 8 points (NQF 7, Perth 7). Vs the top half we come in 2nd 18 points (Bris 23) and vs bottom half we are sixth with 23 points (CCM 35,ADL 34).

If anything is wrong I am getting my data from SINZ's A League spreadsheet

[quote=Joffa]Wellington Phoenix

10 games 116,833
11 games 79,124
13 games 116,549
15 games 119,716

Wellington Phoenix Aggregate Regular season attendance Total: 432,222

Wellington Phoenix 49 home games aggregate attendance average: 8,820

Average for each season:

11,683
7,193
8,965
7,980

I think it hasn't been a great season, first half terrible and as shown second half has been very good. Crowds aren't the worst they have ever been, the squad isn't perfect as shown with injuries (mainly insufficient cover at LB) but how would we have gone last season if Ifill was injured from December, Lochhead was injured and the same for Bertos. With Ifill and Bertos injured shows we have more depth in certain positions. We also have a streak going for home wins currently at 6, 3rd best ever in the A League (and potential to add to that next season).

And to add, we are one of 3 teams to make the playoffs in the last 2 seasons.
 
Some real positives in this post, good stuff bullion.
JD, read and comment? Not having a go, just want to hear your positive opinion :)
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Hard News wrote:
Doloras wrote:
I don't believe anything that Simon Plumb says ever, but I am intrigued about the theory that Tony P is coming back. If there's one thing I would agree with that the Nix have fumbled on this season, it's PR.
 
That probably has less to do with Tony leaving and more to do with not replacing three key staff (including Tony) who have left during the season so the three or four left are trying to do the work that as many as 10 or more do at other clubs.
 
read somewhere that John Mitchell resigned - is this true? I thought he was a terry supporter to the death, was surprised
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Paulm - I think those stats perhaps support my poor off season theory.  Took until the second half to work out what we were doing on the pitch.  I still think we're capable of top 2 or 3 finish, maybe next season!

Normo's coming home

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paulm wrote:
read somewhere that John Mitchell resigned - is this true? I thought he was a terry supporter to the death, was surprised
 
At the third resignation he finally left.
 
Phooenix 'til i die.

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Yea JD i agree there. At first when mentions were made about the WC affecting the phoenix i scoffed, but we certainly saw the effects this year.
Our record in the second half of the season was outstanding looking at those stats.
 
Reckon if our recruitment is 'adequate' this off-season we'll be well set for a good go next year.
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JD you suiggest the WC coach and nix job need to be separate, but how on earth can you justify the Coach of the AW's be a full time role??? we don't play enough to make it worth while, nior would the job pay enough to live on....the AW's coach would always have to have another coaching role to stay up with the play....at this pint the nix is the best suited to accoma=odate that....as Paul/doloras et al have posted, we agree this season hasn't been fabulous, but for quite clear reasons poor start, some key injuries, some players not perfomring, possible recruitment issues, financial stresses....most clubs in the a-league are under financial pressure, several have had worse seasons than us, ie Fury, Glory (won their first 5 games, and nothing else), and the Jest...I ask you this, who's fan would you rather be, a nix supporter or the Fury, not onkly did the finish last but they may not be around much after the season...

Queenslander 3x a year.

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We somehow have to find a way to improve our away record.
If we can't solve that problem we will always struggle.
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sanday wrote:
We somehow have to find a way to improve our away record.If we can't solve that problem we will always struggle.


Train later at night. Let them sleep in. Move their body clocks to later in the day, like shift workers, so even the worst flight to Perth would be like playing at lunchtime.

I've always wondered if that would actually make a difference. Mind you i'm sure the Rugby heads have tried all these things when trying to combat travel.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Perhaps the other thing is fans there supporting them at away games? Does the yellow fever need to start drives for ex-pat Kiwi's in all cities where we play. Get the same type of supporter base but from other cities as well.

(Yeah i know.. really stretching it now...)goldienz2011-02-16 11:28:06

Yellow Whever Whanganui

about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Season positives - I'll have a go:
 
1. We are still here.
 
2. We've gone back to back into the finals - only 3 teams have done that.
 
3. Despite a retched run of injuries and off-field issues we have played some of the best football in the club's history.
 
4. Marco
 
5. ASB Challenge Series
Smithy2011-02-16 11:58:30

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.