Threat by ACC to wind up Phoenix

RedGed, no one can take what Tery has done for football in Wellington away. To come up with all your "ifs" simply won't cut any mustard. Reality is that Wellington Phoenix is a commercial business thro and thro and all other emotional arguments are icing on the cake, or rather irrelevant when it comes to paying the bills on time and in full everytime.

Numbers have dipped since season 1?  You're having a laugh, right? Product2010-09-29 16:20:03

  [/QUOTE] What condesending high brow rubbish. Most fans and those around the periphry will turn up to watch a winning team ahead of one that attempts to play "the beautiful game" and gets beaten. Face the facts NZ and the Phoenix do not have players with the necessary skills to play the game yoiu seem to covet and as such play a style of game that gives them a chance of winning. 

I don't think that when the RoF sold out against the Jest last year it was because the Nix were playing a joga bonita. It was because we were in a damned semi-final or equivalent. Winning >>> purist's football.

Hi guys, you have touched on an important point, ie we lack technically skilful palyers. Then what is the answer?

You can do both you know.

Correct liverpoolfan1

In fact, it would be fair to say that even though all the tickets were sold, the majority weren't sold to the actual people going. (Scalpers, package event organisers and the like)

True, but I'm discussing the two things' relative importance for ticket sales.

In NZ it doesnt matter how you play, its only interesting to the general public (people who may not be footie heads) if your winning. The media only give it any attention if there's any kind of run of wins and/or draws to a lesser extent.

The only thing right here is that they are down on season 1.When looked at against at the same time in season 2 and 3 we are slightly up. Thats if the stats i looked at are correct.
Thats without even looking at game starting times and things.

I enjoyed reading that Angus.

The "ifs" I mention are just some of the challenges faced by the Nix.Not emotion.Not fantasy.The realities of competing in the Wellington entertainment sports market through a sustained season against vastly experienced opposition,and contrary to what you are saying, the numbers remain surprisingly positive.
Terry has repeatedly told us he loses upwards of $1 million a year to keep the Nix going..as he's spent that sort of money, I'm prepared to give him some latitude.By your logic he should just fold the Nix so he doesn't need to face the public humiliation of not paying bills on time.He is not a bottomless pit of money.

As others have said,the Nix are not the All Whites. The Nix are also not ManU, Chelsea or Liverpool.Given our geographic isolation, climate and, most of all, the A league salary cap,attracting any top quality players is a miracle and testimony to how well the club is run  and the spirit and passion of players and staff. The style of play adopted by the team plays to their strengths and minimises, where possible, the weaknesses.
Its not alway pretty but its ours.And thats the key for me.
We will all grumble and moan about the Nix.. the team, the management the bills not being paid ticket prices.. at least we have a team!

Why is the Phoenix being compared with the Sevens?

Why not throw:

* The Wellington Lions
* Hurricanes
* Black Cap Internationals
* All black tests

and:

* Major international performing artists

and:

* The Home and Garden show (or whatever it is)
* The Military Tattoo


into that reasoning. I mean, if the Sevens can sell out in 3 minutes...why can't everybody.


Please hold while I conjure up a "LOL".

holy sh*t i forgot to put a question mark and other grammatical errors too.

this times 10 billion

Pretty sure bigger all tickets go to public sale. I think you'll find most tickets go to corporates. Scalpers, Package deals yeah, but to a lesser extent.

Wouldn't it be great if most of the tickets to WP and "NZ v Paraguay" matches were snapped by corporates, scalpers or who ever willing to pay? Full house will definitely put Century Fotball Club in a cash-flow rich situation, right? Or would you only want true blueblood soccer fans purchase the tickets?

I wonder how fast the 7s tickets would sell out if they were held 15 times a year, year after year ?

The 'once a year' part also helps.

edit, snap!simon_hampton2010-09-29 21:07:27

"We're here to watch the sevens, we're here to...."

West Bromwich Albion recently proved that.

AB, you're putting on a masterful display or trolling here. Comparing the 7s crowds to the Nix crowds is outstanding.

LOL Just recognised the style,your a ghost writer for the crap thats been appearing in the dickhead post lately.

Only one reason the sevens sold out and it had nothing to do with what happens on the field.Then again you know that.

Have Colchester ever proved it?

ballane, stay calm and debate. Insulting or personal attacks don't help you to get your point across at all. It subtracts and reveals your naked self!

Couldnt give a sh*t,your a great one to be giving advice.Given some of what you have posted.Trying to label the sevens a sporting event,when its even marketed as the biggest party in town says it all really.
Nice trolling tho.

Clearly trolling. I worry for you if you truly think that way..

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/graphiste-uk-87eded691b3bcbdf6c3ab69223e4f918.html Stevo2010-09-30 01:46:29

^
Novel way to get us back on topic thanks Stevo.
 No question the money was due.
The question is ..was it anyone else's business to know this money was due?
Was it legal for ACC and Dom Post to collude in releasing this to the public before due process had occured... or should they be allowed to run roughshod over Terrys rights..and anyone else's rights in this self righteous, self serving way?

Some quality there Stevo.

The Bangkok Post (29 Sept) has joined the conspiracy to keep rugby as the No. 1 sport in New Zealand, and football in its rightful place.

The mud has been slung again and it's very sticky stuff

Any way you look at it, Tezza's not in good shape due to property market and it is newsworthy as is any property developer in same boat

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4187736/Serepisos-buildings-income-placed-in-receivership

I'm sure there is a fire here somewhere. I just can't see it through all this smoke.

Interesting:

1 I assume Terry has enough nous to set rents high enough to pay Mortgage.

2. Terry can't pay Mortgage.

3. Why?

4. "Receiver of Rents" is set up.

5. Again Why?......(only rents)

6. Terry has stated in past that he needs people to pay him.

Have I missed something?

Vaughan

I have no problem with media stories along the lines of "Terry is in financial strife". Many property developers are. What I don't like are the ones with a subtext of "Terry is a crook", which are solely designed to "get" Terry and the Phoenix by making sure that no-one in their right minds would lend him money. This business page article runs into the first category - it just tells the facts, without Kitschin/Burgess's tabloidy bias.

the problem with the stories is that they don't tell us that there are other property developers in the same position as Terry, its all pointed at him.....and of course the phoenix