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Jeff Vader wrote:

Mossy wrote:
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Don't bother telling me this aint gonna happen...of course it won't, but it should!
So if you know its a dumb idea, then why suggest it? Nick the Greek? Griffiths? Really? Why should those guys who have not been in the match day squad or had any matches be picked over established and better players. Change for the sake of change?


Oh for f**ks sake, give it a rest. You have made it perfectly clear you severely dislike the posting of formations and lineups. If you don't want to see them, don't read the thread.

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Look at the very first post on the Glory thread. I rest my case.


How about resting your case a bit more often 


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Jeff Vader wrote:
Mossy wrote:
 
Don't bother telling me this aint gonna happen...of course it won't, but it should!
So if you know its a dumb idea, then why suggest it? Nick the Greek? Griffiths? Really? Why should those guys who have not been in the match day squad or had any matches be picked over established and better players. Change for the sake of change?
 
Why can't you be a bit more constructive with your comments instead of picking holes in mine? Is it because you have to wear that stupid Darth Vader outfit?
 
Seriously, this is not change for the sake of change. It's not a dumb idea. It's a commentary on the coaching and selection policy currently at the club which I personally think is flawed.
 
And something else to consider...... how do you know anyone who has not been in the match day squad or had any matches are better than established players? We haven't seen any of them. They have had little chance to prove themselves, and my suggestion that against a very young and inexperienced GCU team would be an ideal chance to try one or two of them seems reasonable.
 
Lastly, i've been a forum member since 2007 and don't make many posts because I think about what I want to say before I say it. On the other hand you Mr Vadar have made many, many posts towards your First Team status, unfortunately volume does not make you an expert.
Why don't you break the mould and say something worthwhile for a change? I welcome robust debate, and if you want to enter into it at least try and come up with some alternatives that add value to the conversation.
 
I love being part of the Nix family and want to see the team and players  do well, not just bag and slag them, and  just as importantly not bag my fellow supporter. With all due respect, taking your Star Wars costume aside, I'd like to invite you to do likewise.
 
Cheers
Mossy
 
 
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hepatitis wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Look at the very first post on the Glory thread. I rest my case.


How about resting your case a bit more often 




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Mossy wrote:
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Tsattalios or Griffiths                   SigmUnd               DURANTE              ï¿½ LOCKHEAD

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                            ï¿½SMITH        MUSCAT      DANIEL

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                                          ï¿½ï¿½ SANCHEZ

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                                IFILL              ï¿½ï¿½ PAVLOVICH

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Bench - Ward, Lia, Warner, Bertos

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BASED ON CURRENT FORM.

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No room for Brown (terribly off form), Greenacre (has been ineffectual and needs a break) and Bertos to come on only as an impact late in the game when he's had a chance to feel the kick up the ar$e he really needs.

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Go for the jugular against a GCU young team, give either of the two young fullbacks a crack.

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Don't bother telling me this aint gonna happen...of course it won't, but it should!

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Tsats right foot is only built for standing on (more so than Lochhead). Griffiths is a center back. Your formation is either lacking width if Smith and Daniel are in the middle with Manny, or lacking in the central midfield if Smith and Daniel are wide and Sanchez is playing in the hole.
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good points.

I see the midfield 3 as being interchangable with Sanchez playing just in behind the front two, with Ifill changing either side of Pavlovich. Perhaps Smith more central and Manny wider on the right when Ifill moves to the left from time to time. It's a fluid style of play requiring a lot of communication on the field, but do-able.
 
I wasn't sure about Tsats...thanks for the info. My main aim is to free Manny up into midfield. Vinnie Lia is another option i guess, but would like to see a younger player introduced soon beforte the playoffs.
 
 
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Mossy wrote:

good points.

I see the midfield 3 as being interchangable with Sanchez playing just in behind the front two, with Ifill changing either side of Pavlovich. Perhaps Smith more central and Manny wider on the right when Ifill moves to the left from time to time. It's a fluid style of play requiring a lot of communication on the field, but do-able.
 
I wasn't sure about Tsats...thanks for the info. My main aim is to free Manny up into midfield. Vinnie Lia is another option i guess, but would like to see a younger player introduced soon beforte the playoffs.
 
 
 
Most of this season Ricki has played Greenie on his own up front  with little suppor. he may be more productive in a two man striking partnership than maybe Pavlovich, alternatively Alex Smith has played an attacking role in his pre.nix days . he couild also be an optiont

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Mossy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Mossy wrote:
 
Don't bother telling me this aint gonna happen...of course it won't, but it should!
So if you know its a dumb idea, then why suggest it? Nick the Greek? Griffiths? Really? Why should those guys who have not been in the match day squad or had any matches be picked over established and better players. Change for the sake of change?
 
Why can't you be a bit more constructive with your comments instead of picking holes in mine? Is it because you have to wear that stupid Darth Vader outfit?
 
Seriously, this is not change for the sake of change. It's not a dumb idea. It's a commentary on the coaching and selection policy currently at the club which I personally think is flawed.
 
And something else to consider...... how do you know anyone who has not been in the match day squad or had any matches are better than established players? We haven't seen any of them. They have had little chance to prove themselves, and my suggestion that against a very young and inexperienced GCU team would be an ideal chance to try one or two of them seems reasonable.
 
Lastly, i've been a forum member since 2007 and don't make many posts because I think about what I want to say before I say it. On the other hand you Mr Vadar have made many, many posts towards your First Team status, unfortunately volume does not make you an expert.
Why don't you break the mould and say something worthwhile for a change? I welcome robust debate, and if you want to enter into it at least try and come up with some alternatives that add value to the conversation.
 
I love being part of the Nix family and want to see the team and players  do well, not just bag and slag them, and  just as importantly not bag my fellow supporter. With all due respect, taking your Star Wars costume aside, I'd like to invite you to do likewise.
 
Cheers
Mossy
 
 
Look I have no problems with what you are saying at all but if you want to have a debate around football you have to at least bring some common sense or football intelligence to it. I'm not saying I'm an expert but I don't suggest the far things you are. I don't consider the volume of posts or status anything worthwhile either more the content so if you want to post something like that then you should expect to get shot down. Why don't you suggest starting Rooney or some other superstar under the guise of 'team I want to see'? You don't because its founded in lunacy so what makes any of your other suggestions any different?
 
Advocating dropping Greenacre (workhorse and suffering from poor service delivery) Lia (who has been our most consistent midfielder) and starting a 2nd string LB at RB is deserved of ridicule. I'm happy to conede that Brown is a point of contention for 90% off fans - he is not with me but  I don't trumpet it much as it might seem stupid to you and the rest of the fans. I'll add to the fact that our away record is sh*t and you want to increase the chances of a loss but fielding that team just because its a 'young GCU side'? You must have missed how they played on the weekend then. It is not reasonable and bringing in a young inexperienced player with zero game time... well again, you do it to yourself. For the record, I am pretty much happy with the team as it is with the swap of Paston for Warner and Ifill for Bertos. That team has balance, and will get the job done.
 
Its the 'Lochhead Syndrome'. Last year everyone wanted him dropped cause he was so sh*t. When he was gone, he was really missed. When he got back people marvelled at him and how he made a difference when he just kept doing what he always did. I noticed that the cries for Lochhead to go have started again but the short memories forget what happened last time. It now happening with other players too and hence these far out formation ideas.
Jeff Vader2012-01-11 12:56:26

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You also put in 'BASED ON CURRENT FORM'. Can you tell me what current form Griffiths or Nick the Greek have to merit getting picked? It starts with a 'Z' and ends in an 'ero'... The player you put in has to be better than the one being replaced otherwise why replace them? Thats called change for the sake of change.

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chuckywolf wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Look at the very first post on the Glory thread. I rest my case.


How about resting your case a bit more often 




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Jeff Vader wrote:
You also put in 'BASED ON CURRENT FORM'. Can you tell me what current form Griffiths or Nick the Greek have to merit getting picked? It starts with a 'Z' and ends in an 'ero'... The player you put in has to be better than the one being replaced otherwise why replace them? Thats called change for the sake of change.
Well you can base the current form of starters as bad and change them to try something else. We don't have a proper reserve team so incoming players will never have any form to judge but that doesn't mean you should never make a change.
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Vader,
You clearly can't see anything other than your own point of view and continue to use veiled insults such as "bring some form of common sense or football intelligence to it" to which I'm not going to rise to.
Getting rid of Bertos and Brown from the starting line up is indeed based on 'current form', and I am a huge fan of Vinnie Lia but would like to see a change in personnel in an away game just to surprise the opposition, hence my lineup. He is still included in the squad and I'd expect him to come on and show what he does every week, but with more impact later in the match, just this once. If he did start though I'd still be happy with that. I'm just having trouble fitting him into the lineup I'd like to see, that's all.
 
I watch all home games at the stadium, then I go home and watch the whole game again a few days later after reading reports and forum comments, then I think about what may and may not work. As things stand right now, the satus quo will not work for us on an away day, so why not try something different? By all accounts they've tried everything else, but not changed tactic or personnel a grteat deal, hence my comments and team selection.
 
One last point, I never suggested anything you say is stupid, everyone is entitlted to their opinion, but am disapointed you seem to think I am and deserving of ridicule. I'd certainly be more interested in your thoughts if they weren't so polarising in a negative way. I'll leave this post for others now.
cheers
 
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There is a post in another thread that says that this is the best ever start we have ever had to a season, so why change it if its working with what pretty much everyone described as an inferior squad to last year. Its working I think because of consistency of selection which is something we have not been able to do for extended periods of our history.
 
Its not you I am ridiculing but your opinion. You are right that I don't see anything other than my own point of view unless someone has a better one and makes a reasoned argument for it but then you are doing the same thing I am . You seem to take it personally and want to have a 'lets all be friends' summit cause I think your opinion is stupid and call you on it. I never accused you of saying anything I said was stupid but by all means if I put something stupid out there, shoot it down. You wont hear me crying about it.

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Jeff Vader wrote:
There is a post in another thread that says that this is the best ever start we have ever had to a season, so why change it if its working with what pretty much everyone described as an inferior squad to last year.


Because we were so f**king depressing to watch on Sunday. We were terrible, and that warrants change in the squad.

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patrick478 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
There is a post in another thread that says that this is the best ever start we have ever had to a season, so why change it if its working with what pretty much everyone described as an inferior squad to last year.


Because we were so f**king depressing to watch on Sunday. We were terrible, and that warrants change in the squad.
 
But three days earlier we were pretty good. Was that an aberatio or was Sundays game?
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sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
There is a post in another thread that says that this is the best ever start we have ever had to a season, so why change it if its working with what pretty much everyone described as an inferior squad to last year.


Because we were so f**king depressing to watch on Sunday. We were terrible, and that warrants change in the squad.

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But three days earlier we were pretty good. Was that an aberation or was Sundays game?


Hmmm. Good point. I really cannot answer.

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You hope Sunday's game. 
 
We were great against newcastle, good against Adelaide (despite our usual ineptness in front of goal away) and great against Sydney, but there was so little of anything positive in Sunday...
 
However, you add Sunday to 7 away in the last 11 and it's not a good sign.

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In the 22 Days upto and including Sunday, we had played 5 Games, crossed ther Tassie twice and filled faces with Christmas Pud! A tough schedule however you look at it really, so desipte the sh*t house game  Sunday I am prepared to call that an aberation.
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Yeah thats kinda what I am getting at. Prior to the Perth game, we were in good form. The conditions were not great and I don't think that the team played smart football in it on Sunday. Its probably not often we play in conditions like that but you would hope the Perth game was the exception and not the rule.

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Referee: Kurt Ams
Assistant Ref 1: Dennis Silk
Assistant Ref 2: Nathan McDonald
Fourth Official: Alan Milliner

Who the hell is Kurt Ams?

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Us vs Gold Coast.
 
No one at the ground, no one watching is AUs.  If he has a 'mare it will be under the radar.

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Yeah the only other one you'd put him on might be the Heart v Glory but he tossed two Heart players last year in the opening rounds that was extremely contentious if I remember.
 
Edit: Ignore. Completely wrong.
Jeff Vader2012-01-11 15:23:28

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Jeff Vader wrote:
 
Its not you I am ridiculing but your opinion. You are right that I don't see anything other than my own point of view unless someone has a better one and makes a reasoned argument for it but then you are doing the same thing I am . You seem to take it personally and want to have a 'lets all be friends' summit cause I think your opinion is stupid and call you on it.
 
ah right... not riduculing me ..but my opinion! Any you are quite right, my opinion is stupid.Of course, silly me.
 
And for the rest of you..... I'd like to see changes because our away form is so poor. With seven games away it's a must in my opinion.That's it in a nutshell. Time for a few changes to see if that will work.
 
 
 
 
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The likes of Griffiths, Downey etc have been pretty hard done by but I don't think it's through anyones fault. If you join a new club with an established line up and a coach very loyal to incumbents it would be wrong to think you can burst straight in to a starting spot. (especially in a club with no reserve team to show your talents) These guys would usually get their chance with injuries, suspensions etc but we've been pretty lucky from that perspective this season so far.
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We must be due for a suspension soon. How many cards on Siggy, Brown, Lia and Manny?

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We have actually done really well. I saw a table somewhere we are actually third on the "fair play table"
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Thats an interesting page that. Shows the assists with Bertos and Daniel both on 4 (American stats ugh...) Considering the relative game time between the two, it point to Daniel in good form I guess.

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Manny and Tim close to top of list but it is more complicated for them as they received two yellows in one game Next down is Lochy with four then a few on three i think
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Jeff Vader wrote:
Thats an interesting page that. Shows the assists with Bertos and Daniel both on 4 (American stats ugh...) Considering the relative game time between the two, it point to Daniel in good form I guess.
 
Or the relative crapness of Leo?
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Assuming "cautions" means yellow cards and "expulsions" means red cards on the football australia website:

Dura 4 yellows
Siggy 2
Manny 5
Brown 4
Lia 3

thats by no means the top 5, just the ones i suspected of being close to suspensionRosco2012-01-11 16:43:42
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Rosco wrote:
Assuming "cautions" means yellow cards and "expulsions" means red cards on the football australia website:

Dura 4 yellows
Siggy 2
Manny 5
Brown 4
Lia 3

thats by no means the top 5, just the ones i suspected of being close to suspension


And lochhead 4
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Rosco wrote:
Assuming "cautions" means yellow cards and "expulsions" means red cards on the football australia website:

Dura 4 yellows
Siggy 2
Manny 5
Brown 4
Lia 3

thats by no means the top 5, just the ones i suspected of being close to suspension
I have a sneaking suspicion that Siggy, Manny and Brown have 2 less in terms of being close to suspension as they already picked up a suspension for getting 2 in the same game.
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rjmiller wrote:
Rosco wrote:
Assuming "cautions" means yellow cards and "expulsions" means red cards on the football australia website: Dura 4 yellows Siggy 2 Manny 5 Brown 4 Lia 3 thats by no means the top 5, just the ones i suspected of being close to suspension


I have a sneaking suspicion that Siggy, Manny and Brown have 2 less in terms of being close to suspension as they already picked up a suspension for getting�2 in the same game.


Yeah I think that's a raw list of yellow cards shown, not adjusted for any suspensions already served
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Heard an interview with Sggy the other day and he had set a goal of not being suspended due to getting five yellows and apparently there is a bit of ribbing going on as Dura and a couple of others are one card away from suspension while he sits on 2 cards.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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ballane wrote:
Heard an interview with Sggy the other day�and he had set a goal of not being suspended due to getting five yellows and apparently there is a bit of ribbing going on as Dura and a couple of others are one card away from suspension while he sits on 2 cards.


Dura and others havent been sent off with a straight red though...

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