vs Jets

 

Well I judge a job on the results and we failed to re-sign either so therefore would consider it 'terrible'... If I was a CEO of a football club I would also come out after the fact and say 'we did the best we could' , the fact remains we failed to re-sign our best players - we didn't lose them to a better league or even (in smeltz case at least) a club with better prospects of playing in higher competitions so the contract negotiation with Smeltz and Moss was terrible. I don't claim to have any kind of inside information and I realise that there is a fine line between success and failure in contract negotiations - it happens to be the same line as terrible and terrific

 

Who we lost them to is immaterial. Both players had offers on the table, knowing their abilities I would be surprised if those offers weren't good ones. For whatever reasons, they both chose to move on. Unless someone can show me the figures or give me some concrete information to prove otherwise, my (possibly naive) view is that the Club did the best they could to hold onto them both. There have to be at least two willing parties in order to have a negotiation.

 

If I was the CEO of a football club I would know that I'm running a business so, therefore, any contract offer has to be within certain constraints. If I make an offer which is at least comparable, if not more, with other clubs and that offer is still refused, then I have done everything in my power. I don't view that as doing a 'terrible' job. 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

 

Good on Siggy too for havin a go. I'd have wolloped that greasy looking git.

 

Jag I don't think who you lose a player to is immaterial - I think a club in our position is powerless to stop a player from entering a league with greater opportunities for the player - such as the premier league - however, to lose a player to a team like the Gold Coast, a club which when it comes down to it cannot be seen to have any more opportunities for a player like Smeltzy (with the exception of weather, beaches and shopping for the wife) is in my mind a contributing factor to contract negotiations and therefore relatively material.

 

I also agree that we are arguing over hunches, rumours, media reports and other grey areas and that we are unlikely to come to a concensus so I too agree to disagree although admit you made compelling arguments

 

Both were chased by the club, in fact if I recall correctly we had an offer on the table for both Smeltz was pretty much an open cheque book and Mossy got a better one at the last minute - if TP is to be believed - hwich I am inclined to do.

 

 

 

But yeah the prof is right luggsy,in no way can you call that terrible negotiation. Its just a poor outcome. There is a difference.

I still claim poor negotiation - good negotiation would have locked Smeltz and Moss into long term contracts well before other clubs came sniffing around

 

Didn't Smeltz grow up in Adelaide?? that may be in the same country but i'm fairly certain it's not the same place

 

Who knows - maybe i'm just gutted and therefore need to place blame on someone

 

The "Family reasons" claim is the easy way out. I'm not sure that is at all the case, but i'm not going to open that can of worms again.

 

And if Moss got a better offer, why did we not match it? Aren't you just agreeing with Lugs there that we negotiated poorly? I can't accept the better opportunities claim when there is already two quality keepers there.

 

When it comes down to it, we can never prove why they went, but we can be disappointed about it. And therefore we have the right to claim terrible, more out of frustration than anything else.

 

Last nights game just confirmed how key those two players are

 

Daniel looked the fittest I have ever seen him and his defence/tackling has improved tenfold. He always used to look so unco going in for a tackle but you definately don't notice that anymore.

 

 

I think that the impact of losing 3 players is hugely dependant on which three players we lose.....Smeltz and Moss - pretty big shoes to fill

 

Am I wrong in thinking the Phoenix is registered in Oz so therefore can also play in asia??. jobs for the family??? interesting contract clause

 

to be honest,id say releasing one of our 2 best keepers as a good call considering there is a salary cap. They both would have wanted wages of a number one keeper,when really we should only just have one of them,and a reserve keeper...we can now fit more under the cap in other positions.

 

Why pay over the top for one keeper,when you have another who is just as good (arguably)

 

 

Haha I thought that exact same thing last night. He should've stuck to his celebration after his first goal...

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to be honest,id say releasing one of our 2 best keepers as a good call considering there is a salary cap. They both would have wanted wages of a number one keeper,when really we should only just have one of them,and a reserve keeper...we can now fit more under the cap in other positions.

 

Why pay over the top for one keeper,when you have another who is just as good (arguably)

 

 

releasing one of our two best keepers = good decision

releasing our best keeper, perhaps second most valuable player = poor decision

 

A number one keeper is a number one keeper,maybe moss demanded too much more than paston because of the fact he got an offer from melbourne,id rather resign paston who can do just as good a job,for much cheaper,and reinvest that into other areas of the squad.

 

You just dont seem to want to concede,so meh.

 

FFS we just won 3-0.   What do people want...perfection. Even Man U wins ugly sometimes. That was our biggest win of the season, we are still a chance of top 4 with 3 to go. We are unbeaten at home since the end of October. In fact our home record this season is bloody good. Played 10 won 5, draw 3 lost 2. We have only conceeded 2 goals in our last 5 home games.

 

There is a lot to like about this team...OK we are not Adelaide...but its only our second season. We have earned a tremendous amount of good will for kiwi football from accross the ditch.The club is in sound hands. We will recruit some good players next year. Our time will come.

 

Just think about it, the season could be over for us in three weeks. Why not enjoy this outstanding end of season run. The ride might soon be over, or we may scrape into the top 4, either way I think this season has been a success.

 

 

  

 

Good man.

 

I'm aiming to be down for the Adelaide game and our play-off hopes are still going to be very much alive when I get there.

 

We win 3-0 and its as if we lost 3-0.

 

We're 5th ffs,how awesome are we

 

i do not think adelaide have looked that good in their last few games they seem to play very boring football but seem to still win

 

Agreed!

 

Ah well, 3-0, gotta be happy enough with three goals and a clean sheet.

 

rubbish let him point...nice to know that hes thinking bout us when he scores....who cares about next season just yet

 

I'm just glad we won last night....I had visions of us losing to be honest!

 

I was in the stadium....not on the concourse though......... you nearly knocked me out as I passed you on the way out......

 

Totally agree with this statement. At the beginning of the season I think a lot of people were hoping we would aim for top four. Regardless if whether we hit the target or not we have aimed, and it is very pleasing we're clear of Bling, Newcastle and Perth. Even more important than making the top four is the respect we seem to have gained for that. The voices of anyone who say a NZ based side shouldn't be in the league have been silenced.

 

and wingback could well be deputy pm for his astute support for daniel, who gives us a bit of creativity that has been lacking since fred departed

 

his first time passing can open up opportunities that a more ponderous approach can not