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vukovic maybe banned 4 life

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
THATS BULLsh*t

JUST A f**kING HIGH FIVE

i missed the final too

so gutted
HK_Keeper2008-02-25 17:34:03
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Definitely hit the arm. Would a free kick have been given anywhere else on the park at any other time of the game????  That might help answer it. Forget the emotion of it all. My view is that it's no surprise it wasn't given. But equally I wouldn't have been surprised if it had. And I hate Newcastle and their attention whore as much as the next sane person. I'd have loved to see the penalty given, but it was one of those things - two players going up for the ball, and it could hit anyone anywhere. Bummer though, cos it needed 30 minutes of extra time to get the football started I think.
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Hitting a referee, no matter how justified, is a big no no. Not just because of the rules, but because Vukovic, along with anyone else playing professional sport, are supposed to be role models. What kind of message would a kid get by seeing a referee being struck by another player? That it's okay to hit an official if they're wrong? They're supposed to be teaching fair play concepts as well as making kids want to play football. Sure, emotions can clouds things but it's a players responsibility as a professional athlete to set a good example and respect the officials.
 
In other news, Wellington Swarm goalkeeper Robb Watson could face a laundry bill after striking three pints at the A-League grand final night
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seems to me the greater issue here is the lack of accountability these prima donna whistleblowers have in the professional environment.whilst we cant condone hitting referees surely the various sports need to make it plain to their on field managers that incompetence has consequences,particularly in finals of competitions.shields is meant to be the best ref in aussie soccer so should be expected to get his decisions right.if the mariners had not won the league then they would not be going to asia,vukovich would be suspended for some time,the mariners would be way out of pocket and the preening prima donna shields would be at the next international comp not giving a sh*t whether he gets it right or wrong because we cant pick on referees.whilst i accept that at local level with volunteers  these clowns are professionals and should be judged as such...bottom line surely must be if they f**k up they fess up..just like the players and just just like us in our jobs.
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parents and teachers are role models....sportspeople are sportspeople no more no less...to consider them role models is pc bullsh*t and completely misguided...having said that players should abide by the rules and be punished as necessary for their misdeeds.that is the lesson for kids when looking at sportspeople.for the right and wrong way to live their lives they should be looking to the important adults in their lives ie..parents,grandparents,teachers etc.not people caught in emotional situations that produce instant reactions to  perceptions of other peoples actions.ie referees,umpires etc who cock up and seem to be immune to responsibility or criticism..
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parents and teachers are role models....sportspeople are sportspeople no more no less...to consider them role models is pc bullsh*t and completely misguided...having said that players should abide by the rules and be punished as necessary for their misdeeds.that is the lesson for kids when looking at sportspeople.for the right and wrong way to live their lives they should be looking to the important adults in their lives ie..parents,grandparents,teachers etc.not people caught in emotional situations that produce instant reactions to  perceptions of other peoples actions.ie referees,umpires etc who cock up and seem to be immune to responsibility or criticism..
 
 
the fact that you acknowledge that kids do look up to sports people suggests that sports people are role models (whether or not you like that idea, or regard it as PC or otherwise)
 
the fact that you suggest they should look to others doesn't alter the behaviours kids actually engage in
 
what sports should do in response to this fact is i guess a useful question to consider, and should there be a difference in how sports respond to bad behaviour on the pitch (e.g Vukovic, Man Utd players in the 90's cornering the ref as a pack) and off the pitch incidents (e.g  Ryder, Umanga, Hewitt)?
 
 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The more I think about this, I believe my first assumption may have been correct - he'll get a years suspension. Certainly deliver a message. Have you noticed this last season an increase on confrontations between players and officials? Muscrat was always good for gobbing off at refs for example.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Indeed, an example needs to be made of someone and it seems Vukovic is the perfect player for that role.  He doesn't seem as aggressive or 'australian' as the likes of John Aloisi or Joel Griffiths.  Its a shame it is going to be him but wrong action at the wrong... well tbh anytime is wrong for that kind of nonsense.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
I think this and the Griffiths incident are 2 different situations.

Griffiths hit on the linesman was deserving of a higher punishment, but because it was dealt with by the ref on the field by giving a yellow, that's that. Can't be dealt with further, get over it.

This was against the referee, a deliberate assault, he deserves to get canned, no matter how hard he hit the ref. I hope those dealing with it make it a decent punishment to teach him and all players in the league that it isnt on to attack the officials

Vukovic was given a red card. Was it not, therefore, dealt with on the field? Not that I'm condoning any abuse of the officials, be it verbal or physical. I think they already get away with too much. Glad they don't have the players mic'ed up when watchin with my young son. I think Shields has been the best of the referees this season, but he had a crap game this time too.
 
As for Mr "didn't feel it hit my arm" - yeah right.
 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Vukovic was red-carded and as a result now automatically faces a suspension for Violent Conduct. The length of that suspension is at the FFA's discretion.

Griffiths received a yellow card for his "incident' An isolated  yellow card does result in a  suspension and the referee is deemed to have seen the incident during the game and dealt the appropriate sanction as he saw fit at the time. FFA statutes then prevented them taking any further action in that case. If the referee had taken no action, it may well have been that Griffiths could have been 'cited' after the game in much the same way that other players, e.g. Ross Aloisi, were during the season.

Which is why Griffiths didn't get suspended and Vukovic will Jag2008-02-25 21:49:48

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
After viewing that I think the card was actually for running away...
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...like a girl.
 
(No offence meant to anyone of the female persuasion)
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe Vukovic found himself needing oxygen that far up the park, and it might have made him dizzy.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He gave the guy a high five! I thought he'd actually struck the ref, you know, like a shove or a punch.
 
Oh and this is a response on you tube to that video clip. No wonder the Aussies have big croat & seb problems over there and why the NSL was given the flick........
 
"hahaha a life ban for hitting the had of a ref. the croats fkn kickd the serb ref in the head. nothin rong with that "
Lonegunmen2008-02-25 22:25:01
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
From what i heard i thought he'd punched the official in the face or something more aggressive(not just touched his arrm) however it still is against the rules of the game and he deserves whatever punishment he gets.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
He gave the guy a high five! I thought he'd actually struck the ref, you know, like a shove or a punch.
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A high five is usually a celebration........... You cant seriously tell me you think that he was celebrating..........

He struck the ref. Off and out.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

From what I can gather the contact made with Shields was fairly slight: hardly a Dugdale or a Di Canio-type situation ,to name two that spring to mind. Even so, he should be banned from the game for at least a season if the FFA match review process is to have any credibility.

What annoys me is the tendency these days for such behaviour (see also Aloisi, Griffiths, et al) to be justified by the argument that so-and-so is a 'passionate' player. This guy's comments( http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/vukovics-brain-snap-and-the-coming-of-renaudinho-107210/ )are bordering on the moronic: punishment would be 'outrageous' because Vukovic is (a) Oz's next keeper and (b) a 'fierce competitor'! Less red cards and bans, more video replays - that'll fix it!

While this view is extreme it does highlight an ingrained attitude in Australian sport that success is everything, even at the expense of fair play and discipline. Vukovic should receive a fair punishment for his behaviour, but I suspect he'll get off relatively lightly.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
s2art wrote:
...like a girl.
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(No offence meant to anyone of the female persuasion)
Actually, I thought it was a parting shot as he ran back to his goal ...like a goalkeeper. He could have been running away though I guess.

I won't comment, except to say that it was an OBVIOUS handball. I'll be interested to see what punishment Vukovic ends up getting.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
9months according to radio sport 15 minutes ago.....next question is what penalty does mark shields get for professional negligence..a trip to the olympics as a fifa approved official?
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So officially 15 months, but 6 months of that 'suspended on a probationary basis'. I'm not sure how these things work but I presume this is effective immediately, meaning he could be back in action around December.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No that would make it January 2009 and he would miss the Olympics.
C-Diddy2008-02-26 10:51:42

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You can  guarantee the FFA will backtrack to allow his country not to miss out on him during an important tournament. An "agreement" will be reached.
 
Bit like when there's an Aussie Kiwi's league match coming up. Any kiwis punished in the NRL miss the series, any Aussies get to appear.
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I tend to feel that most people always over-react to these situations and assume the worst. Intent is a very complex thing to prove, and I doubt that many on this forum are qualified psychologists. These things are always judged on the result of the incident rather than the intent. I'm quite sure that if Vukovic wanted to harm him that he could have floored him. I mean Shields is about the same size as the local paperboy in my street and I doubt he would stand much of a chance against him either. To be fair the ref was never in serious danger of getting hurt and if he's going to have a sulk about getting his wrist slapped, then he shouldn't be booking people for diving as they are both attempts at making the situation seem much worse. I don't condone the actions of Vukovic by any means but what ever happened to calling the captains over and laying down the law?

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Having only seen the clip on youtube, i think they have it about right.  There had to be a punishment after it was called "striking" the official, but I have seen Terry, Roy Keane, Viera, etc all "jostle" a ref with as much force as that.

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Huddlestone wrote:

I tend to feel that most people always over-react to these situations and assume the worst. Intent is a very complex thing to prove, and I doubt that many on this forum are qualified psychologists. These things are always judged on the result of the incident rather than the intent. I'm quite sure that if Vukovic wanted to harm him that he could have floored him. I mean Shields is about the same size as the local paperboy in my street and I doubt he would stand much of a chance against him either. To be fair the ref was never in serious danger of getting hurt and if he's going to have a sulk about getting his wrist slapped, then he shouldn't be booking people for diving as they are both attempts at making the situation seem much worse. I don't condone the actions of Vukovic by any means but what ever happened to calling the captains over and laying down the law?

 
there's probably a few of us who would probably keep them in work
 
(especially any who specialise in obssessive behaviour )
 
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 Qualified psychologists? Guaranteed to keep nutters in prisons or in the public arena instead of the specialist facilities we used to have?? After all, it's a behavioural problem, not a pyschological one eh?? .
 
I'm now waiting for harry hotspur to spring forth with a well worded response.
 

SYDNEY, Feb 25 (Reuters) - Central Coast goalkeeper Danny Vukovic has been banned for 15 months for manhandling referee Mark Shield in Sunday's Australian A-League grand final loss to Newcastle.

 The Football Federation of Australia (FFA) disciplinary committee found Vukovic guilty of violent conduct on Monday after he appeared to slap Shield's hand in the final minute of the match.

 

The suspension was reduced to nine months with the remaining six months to be served under probation, meaning Vukovic will be eligible to resume playing in the A-League in November.

'If Vukovic re-offends in the 12 month period after 24 November 2008, he will be required to serve the remaining six months of his 15 month suspension (in addition to any new sanction),' the FFA said in a statement.

The ban only relates to the A-League but the FFA are considering extending it to all matches, ruling Vukovic out of this year's Beijing Olympics, where he was expected to represent Australia.

The incident occurred as Central Coast players began remonstrating with Shield when he failed to award them a penalty for a blatant handball by Newcastle midfielder James Holland.

A penalty would have given Central Coast the chance of an equaliser that would have forced the championship decider into extra-time but Shield waved away their pleas.

 Central Coast executive chairman Lyall Gorman told reporters before the verdict was announced that Vukovic had not intended to strike the referee but had apologised to him anyway.

'Danny spoke to Mark after the game,' Gorman said.

 'He was full of emotion as you can imagine, he wasn't clear if there was any contact with the referee but apologised to Mark if there was.'............

 

I agree, striking a match official deserves a punishment. Now having seen the "strike", perhaps a slight over-reaction.

 

In other A League games I've seen players put thir arm around a ref when he is speaking with them. That should be considered an assault too! Considering the moment, the high five etc, emotions were running extremely high.

 

We'd all thought he'd struck Shields with a fist to the face, they way it was described. 15 months with some suspended will deliver a message. If taylors tackle on Eduardo had happened in the A League, I wonder what sort of punishment Taylor would have got other than a 3 game rest. To me that was far more "Violent".

 

But then, this might also have the desired affect from players about touching match officials.

Lonegunmen2008-02-26 11:01:31
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WTF??? I just saw the you tube thing - he hits his arm FFS, from what I'd heard it seemed as though he'd punched him! Sure it was a bit of a sneaky action but seriously ending a guys career cos the refs a muppet and deserved a slap.

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I'm glad he got punished severely. 

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Hard News wrote:
...15 months

http://youtube.com/watch?v=swOokQZKbM8

A yellow card

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

 

Hi YF

 

I am still recovering, Scum where best on the day, GVE out through Lawie, but it was a hand ball.

 

More to the point in the press over here the players heard one of the linie call a penalty and Shield call back saying are you calling a penalty on a hand ball and the reply was "YEP". Shields then said to first Linne I will check with the other linne who said he did not see a hand ball. Shield then said I did no see it so over ruled the first liine's call.

 

Very big call on his behalf given he checked with the first linne�s  original call.

 

Danny ........just lost it I guess and throw his hands out in anger and connected with Shields upper hand maybe half hand half wrist but both were walking kinda  toward each other.

 

Big call not to call a penalty when call comes from a linne, and overrule him. and a big call to say it was deliberate attack on his person.

 

Huge loss for us ��..but Danny will miss the Olympics� possible overseas contract.

 

What hurts is what Danny did was crazy .whether it was his intention to actually hit Shield �well he is the only one that knows that����but it was no worst than I have seen at other times with players charging ref�s and pointing etc. But he is a exceptionally well behaved young man, respectful, and in every sense a very decent young man, who in a moment of madness through his arms about in absolute frustration on what everybody saw and a linesman called in. To loose his spot in the Olympics on two ref�s calls well all I can say is I hope they are constant.

 

In closing what will happen to Mark Shield over this and it should be made public.

 

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
rofl, i never thought i'd see the day where a player gets banned for over a year simply for giving the ref a high 5!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

imagine if he did the pull-away-run-your-hand-through-hair trick! he'd get banned for life!
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muso wrote:
rofl, i never thought i'd see the day where a player gets banned for over a year simply for giving the ref a high 5!


You still havent!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Imagine what he would've got if he'd taken the piss by giving Shields a kiss on the lips??
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Lonegunmen wrote:
Imagine what he would've got if he'd taken the piss by giving Shields a kiss on the lips??
 
Probably a bit of tounge and a touch up in places where only Joel Griffiths would go  
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Jag wrote:
Vukovic was red-carded and as a result now automatically faces a suspension for Violent Conduct. The length of that suspension is at the FFA's discretion.

Griffiths received a yellow card for his "incident' An isolated  yellow card does result in a  suspension and the referee is deemed to have seen the incident during the game and dealt the appropriate sanction as he saw fit at the time. FFA statutes then prevented them taking any further action in that case. If the referee had taken no action, it may well have been that Griffiths could have been 'cited' after the game in much the same way that other players, e.g. Ross Aloisi, were during the season.

Which is why Griffiths didn't get suspended and Vukovic will
 
"The referee is deemed to have seen the incident " trouble is he never saw the incident.The linesman cocked - up and got duly dumped from the A-league and Griffiths carrys on his merry way. Further action should have been taken, so FFA should change the statutes for the good of the game.
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After seeing the "hand ball" replay Shields needs to get dropped to a learning grade, cos that was so blatent! he linesman saw it called it surely the ref has to go with what they say - and the o4ther linesman wouldn't have seen it cos his attention would have been focused on the other part of the game behind the ball.

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