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Someone LIKE Clapham. Th point I was trying to make is that we should be looking at local talent if all we are going to do is buy also-ran players from elsewhere.
Any player we sign is going to be a reject from somewhere though...Hate it whenever people say that.
But I also want to see us attempting to sign more kiwis.
Though I think this is a better signing than people are letting on. Everyone just likes to complain on here it seems.
Allegedly
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Ifill is so lazy he needs to do more. Nick Ward should come straight in for him. He needs a reality check.
HUGE call! He may not be playing as well as he did last season but he is still one of the best players on the pitch despite that.
Allegedly
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Ifill is so lazy he needs to do more. Nick Ward should come straight in for him. He needs a reality check.
For me, that's the Post Of The Day.
For all the wrong reasons.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Hmm so the addition of ward would mean come the Sydney game, we could be looking at something like this:
Vukovich
North Durante
Muscat Lochhead
Brown Ward
Ifill Daniel
Greenacre
MacCallister
Ofcourse thats saying Paston, Leo and Lia will be cut, but thats a possibility. The bench will be interesting now.
Could be Lia, Bertos/Daniel, Toto, Pav, Hearfield all vying for those three spots.
But personally I would like to see Ward on the bench to start off, and I wouldn't play him this week either. Give him time to settle and then have him for Perth
Vukovich
North Durante
Muscat Lochhead
Brown Ward
Ifill Daniel
Greenacre
MacCallister
Ofcourse thats saying Paston, Leo and Lia will be cut, but thats a possibility. The bench will be interesting now.
Could be Lia, Bertos/Daniel, Toto, Pav, Hearfield all vying for those three spots.
But personally I would like to see Ward on the bench to start off, and I wouldn't play him this week either. Give him time to settle and then have him for Perth
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Hmm so the addition of ward would mean come the Sydney game, we could be looking at something like this:
Vukovich
North Durante
Muscat Lochhead
Brown Ward
Ifill Daniel
Greenacre
MacCallister
Ofcourse thats saying Paston, Leo and Lia will be cut, but thats a possibility. The bench will be interesting now.
Could be Lia, Bertos/Daniel, Toto, Pav, Hearfield all vying for those three spots.
But personally I would like to see Ward on the bench to start off, and I wouldn't play him this week either. Give him time to settle and then have him for Perth
Vukovich
North Durante
Muscat Lochhead
Brown Ward
Ifill Daniel
Greenacre
MacCallister
Ofcourse thats saying Paston, Leo and Lia will be cut, but thats a possibility. The bench will be interesting now.
Could be Lia, Bertos/Daniel, Toto, Pav, Hearfield all vying for those three spots.
But personally I would like to see Ward on the bench to start off, and I wouldn't play him this week either. Give him time to settle and then have him for Perth
I dont see how Ward will make much difference in that line up if we continue playing like we did, he will just end up isolated like Lia has been in the last few games. I would first look at Ward in a midfield 3 and drop one of the strikers.
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Was very disappointed with the signing but realize he'll be significantly better than Lia provided he isn't continually being sent off for skirmishes with Hearfield, so that's alright.
And Valeo, there's no way he's the worst Melbourne player or near it. Two words: Evan Berger.
And Valeo, there's no way he's the worst Melbourne player or near it. Two words: Evan Berger.
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Too much Chris James loving on the Phoenix Facebook page. "Should have signed Chris James" "Chris James is much better" ..come on, this guy has barely played in the past 3 years, and if playing for Fulham reserves is the highest footy he's played, then signing someone with 20 games for QPR must be much better anyhow!
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Was very disappointed with the signing but realize he'll be significantly better than Lia provided he isn't continually being sent off for skirmishes with Hearfield, so that's alright.
And Valeo, there's no way he's the worst Melbourne player or near it. Two words: Evan Berger.
And Valeo, there's no way he's the worst Melbourne player or near it. Two words: Evan Berger.
At least Evan Berger runs fast and has an hilarious voice
Ok, sorry, 2nd worst player.
Lia >>> Ward in terms of Melbourne rejects
valeo2010-09-01 15:00:41a.haak
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I don't remember him being that bad for Melbourne. Granted I haven't seen him as much as some people on here.
I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. There were a number of people who thought that McAllister wasn't the most exciting signing and now he seems to be flavour of the month in here (except with me, I still think he's a useless big donkey 
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Jag2010-09-01 15:12:13)Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Was very disappointed with the signing but realize he'll be significantly better than Lia provided he isn't continually being sent off for skirmishes with Hearfield, so that's alright.And Valeo, there's no way he's the worst Melbourne player or near it.� Two words:� Evan Berger.
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At least Evan Berger runs fast and has an hilarious voice
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Ok, sorry, 2nd worst player.
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Lia >>> Ward in terms of Melbourne rejects
Ferrante?
And whats with all the Lia hate? He was one of our most consistent performers last year and one bad game, not helped in part by tactics, and he is enemy #1?
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What we needed was an out-and-out defensive midfielder to play alongside Brown. He was at his most effective last year when he had Muscat next to him and he new he could just bomb forward at every opportunity; at the moment we have two central midfielders, who both just sit in the middle because they don't want to expose one another defensively.
Critical_Lemon2010-09-01 15:23:08
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I don't remember him being that bad for Melbourne. Granted I haven't seen him as much as some people on here.
JAG > VALEOI'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. There were a number of people who thought that McAllister wasn't the most exciting signing and now he seems to be flavour of the month in here (except with me, I still think he's a useless big donkey )
)Founder
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What we needed was an out-and-out defensive midfielder to play alongside Brown. He was at his most effective last year when he had Muscat next to him and he new he could just bomb forward at every opportunity; at the moment we have two central midfielders, who both just sit in the middle because they don't want to expose one another defensively.
While I dont necessarily agree we need to tranfer a DM I think you have about hit it on the headwww.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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What we needed was an out-and-out defensive midfielder to play alongside Brown. He was at his most effective last year when he had Muscat next to him and he new he could just bomb forward at every opportunity; at the moment we have two central midfielders, who both just sit in the middle because they don't want to expose one another defensively.
While I dont necessarily agree we need to tranfer a DM I think you have about hit it on the head
As I said in the Ward thread, if we play 3-4-3 when North arrives then we can move Manny into DM alongside Browny. Voila!
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What we needed was an out-and-out defensive midfielder to play alongside Brown. He was at his most effective last year when he had Muscat next to him and he new he could just bomb forward at every opportunity; at the moment we have two central midfielders, who both just sit in the middle because they don't want to expose one another defensively.
While I dont necessarily agree we need to tranfer a DM I think you have about hit it on the head
As I said in the Ward thread, if we play 3-4-3 when North arrives then we can move Manny into DM alongside Browny. Voila!
All 3-4-3 fans should read this, and think about how it describes exactly how the All Whites played in South Africa.
https://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/08/09/three-man-defence-three-man-attack/
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True, we don't NEED a DM, but we need Muscat playing alongside Brown and North to slot in a RB with Troy as his back-up.
So North in for Lia and Muscat into midfield and no other changes?
We will still have the same problems.
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What do you see as the problems being? A problem I see that would be solved, is that Brown has the trust in Muscat to get forward more when he is playing alongside him.
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Oh, Brown has no problem getting forward currently. I see it that Brown is getting to far forward, and does not offer himself as an option to defense or to Lia. Its fine if we want to play long balls; Greenacre, McAllister and Brown all up front to contest the long ball and the scraps.
Previous posts on this, but in more detail:
[quote=tablemanners]I thought the commentary team flattered us by complimenting our direct approach. While I want results first and foremost the style of football Ricki's team's play is pretty average. What sums it up for me is this (and watch in next time we play).
We when kick off watch Brown take the ball and pass it to Lochhead. Then watch how he does not offer a return option but just turns his back and heads up field to wait for scraps behind long balls pumped to the front men. This sums up Ricki's style - it relies on having a defence and a front line 50 meteres apart with very fit non ball playing midfielders to break up the opposition play.
Brown for me typifies everything that has held NZ football back in the last 20 years. As much as I like the guy (he really is a great spokesman and not an arrogant player at all) I think watching the Nix is not what I want the youngers trying to copy.
What do you guys think??
Bullion2010-09-01 16:33:32[/QUOTE]
Oh, Brown has no problem getting forward currently. I see it that Brown is getting to far forward, and does not offer himself as an option to defense or to Lia. Its fine if we want to play long balls; Greenacre, McAllister and Brown all up front to contest the long ball and the scraps.
Previous posts on this, but in more detail:
Piney, you have hit the nail on the head when you say:
Muscat shielded his back four from opposition forays, while anchoring midfield and allowing Tim Brown (and to a lesser extent Vince Lia) to bomb forward.
Watching the game against CCM on the weekend, Brown is still bombing forward only leaving Lia in the midfield which makes it so hard for us to play out from the back. Hence lots of long balls and CCM able to pressure Lia and our CBs. At times when our defence had possession, Brown, Greenacre and Macallister were all within about 10m of each other.
Maybe Ricki set it up this way, having Brown, Greenie and Macallister up front would allow us to better compete for possession with all the long balls played forward. Seemed a bit Egil Olsen'ish.
We have an interesting game coming up against Brisbane. Greenacre will have a big role to play as we may need to match Brisbane in midfield to compete for possession. It will be also interesting to see how we deal with Brisbane's full backs pushing so far forward with Brisbane's inside forwards looking to cut in occupying our full backs and creating space for overlapping Brisbane fullbacks. Though with the threat of Ifill on the wings the fullbacks may not push as forward as they did against Sydney. Very interesting tactical game, I am just nervous at our ball retention and options in midfield (which we may bypass like against CCM anyway).
Muscat shielded his back four from opposition forays, while anchoring midfield and allowing Tim Brown (and to a lesser extent Vince Lia) to bomb forward.
Watching the game against CCM on the weekend, Brown is still bombing forward only leaving Lia in the midfield which makes it so hard for us to play out from the back. Hence lots of long balls and CCM able to pressure Lia and our CBs. At times when our defence had possession, Brown, Greenacre and Macallister were all within about 10m of each other.
Maybe Ricki set it up this way, having Brown, Greenie and Macallister up front would allow us to better compete for possession with all the long balls played forward. Seemed a bit Egil Olsen'ish.
We have an interesting game coming up against Brisbane. Greenacre will have a big role to play as we may need to match Brisbane in midfield to compete for possession. It will be also interesting to see how we deal with Brisbane's full backs pushing so far forward with Brisbane's inside forwards looking to cut in occupying our full backs and creating space for overlapping Brisbane fullbacks. Though with the threat of Ifill on the wings the fullbacks may not push as forward as they did against Sydney. Very interesting tactical game, I am just nervous at our ball retention and options in midfield (which we may bypass like against CCM anyway).
[quote=tablemanners]I thought the commentary team flattered us by complimenting our direct approach. While I want results first and foremost the style of football Ricki's team's play is pretty average. What sums it up for me is this (and watch in next time we play).
We when kick off watch Brown take the ball and pass it to Lochhead. Then watch how he does not offer a return option but just turns his back and heads up field to wait for scraps behind long balls pumped to the front men. This sums up Ricki's style - it relies on having a defence and a front line 50 meteres apart with very fit non ball playing midfielders to break up the opposition play.
Brown for me typifies everything that has held NZ football back in the last 20 years. As much as I like the guy (he really is a great spokesman and not an arrogant player at all) I think watching the Nix is not what I want the youngers trying to copy.
What do you guys think??
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Lia doesn't score goals. That's my problem with him.
guess what ? if you don't score goals, you don't win.
so drop Lia for Ward. DONE.
agree as far as that goes, but (as posted on the ward thread) 433 last year was effective because moose anchored the back and BOTH Lia and Brown could play more forward and get some greater attacking options going and some control in the midfield
guess what ? if you don't score goals, you don't win.
so drop Lia for Ward. DONE.
so Ii don't agree that just swapping Ward for Lia will do it
we'll need a 3142/352 to get the benefit of Ward forward and improving our distribution and scoring options
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sod off yourself lol
What do you see as the problems being? A problem I see that would be solved, is that Brown has the trust in Muscat to get forward more when he is playing alongside him.
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Oh, Brown has no problem getting forward currently. I see it that Brown is getting to far forward, and does not offer himself as an option to defense or to Lia. Its fine if we want to play long balls; Greenacre, McAllister and Brown all up front to contest the long ball and the scraps.
Previous posts on this, but in more detail:
[quote=tablemanners]I thought the commentary team flattered us by complimenting our direct approach. While I want results first and foremost the style of football Ricki's team's play is pretty average. What sums it up for me is this (and watch in next time we play).
We when kick off watch Brown take the ball and pass it to Lochhead. Then watch how he does not offer a return option but just turns his back and heads up field to wait for scraps behind long balls pumped to the front men. This sums up Ricki's style - it relies on having a defence and a front line 50 meteres apart with very fit non ball playing midfielders to break up the opposition play.
Brown for me typifies everything that has held NZ football back in the last 20 years. As much as I like the guy (he really is a great spokesman and not an arrogant player at all) I think watching the Nix is not what I want the youngers trying to copy.
What do you guys think??
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Oh, Brown has no problem getting forward currently. I see it that Brown is getting to far forward, and does not offer himself as an option to defense or to Lia. Its fine if we want to play long balls; Greenacre, McAllister and Brown all up front to contest the long ball and the scraps.
Previous posts on this, but in more detail:
Piney, you have hit the nail on the head when you say:
Muscat shielded his back four from opposition forays, while anchoring midfield and allowing Tim Brown (and to a lesser extent Vince Lia) to bomb forward.
Watching the game against CCM on the weekend, Brown is still bombing forward only leaving Lia in the midfield which makes it so hard for us to play out from the back. Hence lots of long balls and CCM able to pressure Lia and our CBs. At times when our defence had possession, Brown, Greenacre and Macallister were all within about 10m of each other.
Maybe Ricki set it up this way, having Brown, Greenie and Macallister up front would allow us to better compete for possession with all the long balls played forward. Seemed a bit Egil Olsen'ish.
We have an interesting game coming up against Brisbane. Greenacre will have a big role to play as we may need to match Brisbane in midfield to compete for possession. It will be also interesting to see how we deal with Brisbane's full backs pushing so far forward with Brisbane's inside forwards looking to cut in occupying our full backs and creating space for overlapping Brisbane fullbacks. Though with the threat of Ifill on the wings the fullbacks may not push as forward as they did against Sydney. Very interesting tactical game, I am just nervous at our ball retention and options in midfield (which we may bypass like against CCM anyway).
Muscat shielded his back four from opposition forays, while anchoring midfield and allowing Tim Brown (and to a lesser extent Vince Lia) to bomb forward.
Watching the game against CCM on the weekend, Brown is still bombing forward only leaving Lia in the midfield which makes it so hard for us to play out from the back. Hence lots of long balls and CCM able to pressure Lia and our CBs. At times when our defence had possession, Brown, Greenacre and Macallister were all within about 10m of each other.
Maybe Ricki set it up this way, having Brown, Greenie and Macallister up front would allow us to better compete for possession with all the long balls played forward. Seemed a bit Egil Olsen'ish.
We have an interesting game coming up against Brisbane. Greenacre will have a big role to play as we may need to match Brisbane in midfield to compete for possession. It will be also interesting to see how we deal with Brisbane's full backs pushing so far forward with Brisbane's inside forwards looking to cut in occupying our full backs and creating space for overlapping Brisbane fullbacks. Though with the threat of Ifill on the wings the fullbacks may not push as forward as they did against Sydney. Very interesting tactical game, I am just nervous at our ball retention and options in midfield (which we may bypass like against CCM anyway).
[quote=tablemanners]I thought the commentary team flattered us by complimenting our direct approach. While I want results first and foremost the style of football Ricki's team's play is pretty average. What sums it up for me is this (and watch in next time we play).
We when kick off watch Brown take the ball and pass it to Lochhead. Then watch how he does not offer a return option but just turns his back and heads up field to wait for scraps behind long balls pumped to the front men. This sums up Ricki's style - it relies on having a defence and a front line 50 meteres apart with very fit non ball playing midfielders to break up the opposition play.
Brown for me typifies everything that has held NZ football back in the last 20 years. As much as I like the guy (he really is a great spokesman and not an arrogant player at all) I think watching the Nix is not what I want the youngers trying to copy.
What do you guys think??
I obviously haven't been watching closely enough.
I think that maybe we should revert to a similar 4-3-3 to the one we played last season. At the moment Greenacre is playing in a role somewhere between attacking midfielder and striker and he obviously isn't quite suited to it. He is a 'fox in the box' and he is best suited to being the small man in a 4-4-2 and as we saw last season he can play as the middle man in a 4-3-3.
Sadly, he is a player straight out of the traditional 4-4-2 and very few people are playing that way these days.
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Lia doesn't score goals. That's my problem with him.
guess what ? if you don't score goals, you don't win.
so drop Lia for Ward. DONE.
Lochhead doesn't score goals. So drop him for Pav. DONE.
guess what ? if you don't score goals, you don't win.
so drop Lia for Ward. DONE.
what ?
lochhead is a defender. don't expect him to score.
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Must admit I've been a bit underwhelmed by our signings this season - with the exceptions of North (if he ever gets here) and Vukovic. With North replacing McKain and Vukovic replacing Reedy I don't think we've gained much from either - but still very happy with the signings and replacing players of the calibre of McKain and Reedy was no easy task.
Whitby boy2010-09-01 20:05:59
Also relaxed about Pav - he looks to have potential and you can / should take risks with youth players
I realise the season is a bit longer in 2010/11 (3 games) and we have some mid week games (2 or 3 (?)) but, that aside, I don't understand why we have gone with a bigger squad than last year - especially as we still don't have a decent youth team arrangement.
Personally I would have preferred a couple / three less players (out of Ward, Mac and Toto) with their salaries going towards a better player or two. I suppose it doesn't help that Diego has turned out to be a waste of space and a visa spot.
To be fair, Diego aside, I don't see any dead wood (hopefully new signings all work out) and we have a reasonably well balanced squad. Hoping the old adage will be borne out - a champion team will beat a team of champions and our squad will gel (like the second half of last year) and deliver.
Disclaimer; At the time of writing this post the author was neither suffering from angst nor advocating the sacking of Ricki.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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From the Nix site:
�He�s the sort of midfielder who gets more advanced (up the pitch) and he has a great engine.�
Don't we have enough of these?
No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Well I don't expect a defensive midfielder to score plenty of goals.
Yes, but we can expect more than 1 goal in 61 games, no?
mascherano had 1 in 94 league games for Championship side Liverpool, didnt hear them complaining
but apparently he's worse than lia
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