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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

explain how Marco didnt get a fair crack

Ricki didn't play him when he was one legged.

And in the hypothetical world where Ifill and Bertos didn't get injured, the stereotypical hypothetical Ricki (who only makes subs at 65 minutes, only knows how to defend and doesn't like young kiwis) didn't give him a chance.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

explain how Marco didnt get a fair crack

As well as: Troy, Old, O'Dor. Troy played 70 games for us, all before his 24th birthday.Bullion2011-11-23 17:51:54

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So. To understand: we should have signed a 16year old Marco to play defence ahead of Old and O'Dor?

I don't get the point about Hearfield. Marco would have played that many games with us if he'd stayed. And Hearfield did that by playing at RIGHT BACK where we've had to put Manny back cos we can't find anyone to fill it.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

Sorry, should have quoted TouchMe's post. My response points out that Ricki has played young players, in Troy's case quite a bit.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

Why Marco didn't want to stay?

Why Kosta refused to sign another contract with the Nix, before he signed for the Roar?

The answers would be very helpful to learn from our own mistakes...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

Draper / Kosta / Marco (to some extent) all capable players who never got a fair crack.

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Draper was never good enough, Marco was injured for a good chunk of his first season here and ended up the star of the team by the end of his second season.

Your point only stands in Kosta's case, he was the only one who should have played more while he was here than he did.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Oska wrote:

Although, his more recent form does suggest Lochhead is back to his older (better) self.

Do think Rowe is a bit of an excitement option, another is Tommy Smith who is having a tough time at Ipswich - http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/103819/tommy-smith?cc=3436

Perhaps you saw something in Lochhead on Saturday that I missed.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's slightly disturbing I know but every time Lochy cocks up in a match I imagine Leggy sitting in front of his tele in a string vest and a pair of budgie smugglers, choking in outrage on his can of XXXX.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Slightly?

Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

StopOut wrote:

It's slightly disturbing I know but every time Lochy cocks up in a match I imagine Leggy sitting in front of his tele in a string vest and a pair ofï¿½budgie smugglers, choking in outrage on his can of XXXX.

By those comments you have proved that you really are a w**ker. I call it as I see it. Any player that gives the ball away as much as he did last week does not deserve praise.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

StopOut wrote:

Buffon II2011-11-24 11:16:05

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Given my username, I'm sure this might come off as fanboying, but the club should have a serious attempt at signing Nelsen for next season.

The owners want a marquee name to sell tickets next season, and he would be the most cost effective for the club. He is the biggest name in NZ football, and would get plenty of news coverage, and would help sell out down in ChCh.

I think its a possibility, because of the problems at Rovers atm. Even if Rovers avoid relegation, the new owners are trying to do everything on the cheap. They have already off loaded Emerton to Sydney, who is younger and less injury prone, to reduce the wage bill.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It wouldn't hurt to ask but I'm not holding my breath. There's also the risk of spending too much on a player who may not spend much time on the field and there is also the risk of personality clashes between him and the coach if the world cup rumours are to be believed. He isn't going to dominate games which I'm a bit worried a lot of people would expect him to do. If he really wanted to come here it would be great but I wouldn't chase him too hard.

Edit In fact I maintain we should be targeting Michael Boxall. He is only on $US42,000 and has been left unprotected for the upcoming draft. I don't know whether that means he is off contract or not, I don't understand the US drafting and contracting system. But very promising young kiwi player.

rjmiller2011-11-24 11:51:22

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ryan's Rovers wrote:

just what the we need, another injury prone player in the twilight of his career!

It would be great to see him back in NZ but I think we should put more effort into finding players for the other end of the pitch first

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Nelsen to play ST

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Honestly, I don't think signing a marquee CB is the way to go - even if it is Admiral Nelsen.

a.haak

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

rjmiller wrote:

Edit In fact I maintain we should be targeting Michael Boxall. He is only on $US42,000 and has been left unprotectedï¿½for the upcoming draft. I don't know whether that means he is off contract or not, I don't understand the US drafting and contracting system. But very promising young kiwi player.

This is an expansion draft - new team is joining the league next season (Montreal Impact) and they can pick a certain number of players from existing teams provided such players were not 'protected' by their existing team from being drafted in this way by the new team. So all this means is that Boxall could end up being picked up by Montreal if they want him in their squad.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So by that it means he has a contract for next season otherwise he would be a free agent rather than being on the list at all?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Another amazing franchise name right there.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

StopOut wrote:

Or something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgiSQ6AJAzE

EDIT: Hit the CC button to get the English captions.goldienz2011-11-24 13:51:50

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

rjmiller wrote:

So by that it means he has a contract for next season otherwise he would be a free agent rather than being on the list at all?

I presume this to be the case, although I'm not familiar with the length of the contract he signed with the Whitecaps.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

Nelsen to play ST

Wouldn't be a bad idea, i heard he tries to, and often scores more goals at training than the strikers

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

^
Was exactly the case when they had an open training in Auckland last year.

You know we belong together...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For some reason I think Nelsen would be a Greenacre-esque striker

IMO we should've kept Danny Vukovic to play up frontvaleo2011-11-24 23:57:14

a.haak

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I've never seen him play but would Manuel Exposito of ACFC be up to A-League level, from what of I've read over the past few seasons he seems quite decent.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

disco_mart wrote:

I've never seen him play but would Manuel Exposito of ACFC be up to A-League level, from what of I've read over the past few seasons he seems quite decent.

From the little I've seen and heard, probably. But he'd be an import for the Phoenix. Would you ditch one of our current imports for him? Not sure.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

valeo wrote:

Honestly, I don't think signing a marquee CB is the way to go - even if it is Admiral Nelsen.

What other options are there? Fallon could have come here this season, but wanted to stay in the UK and Killen appears to be staying in China. If we want a big name NZ signing, its pretty much Nelsen or nothing.

I would think someone with Nelsen's public profile would attract a decent level of 3rd party sponsorship to help bring the cost of signing him down, and still allow for an International marquee, if he counted towards the Aussie marquee slot.

The question is would a NZ player count towards the Aussie Marquee signing for us?

Smeltz is currently the International marquee for Perth, but they already had an Aussie marquee, next season it will be interesting if they try and get him counted as the Aussie marquee with his citizenship.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The classification on kiwis is only mentioned once in the A-league rules and they count as Australians for the Phoenix. So yes they should be able to count as the Aussie Marquee.

Fallon is not good enough to be given that status. I don't even really want him at all. Killen is a much better target, if he has re-signed I guess not a lot can be done about it but I think he is a very realistic target for the future.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

please not Fallon. He will always remain a hero for THAT goal but realistically he's just not that good. with Wood, Killen, Smeltz, Kosta, Judas, and soon maybe Payne can we all agree he should never play for the AWs again... unless we just bring him on at the end of games against Aussie to elbow Cahill and co in the face a few times

in terms of tansfers I'd rather have Killen if we don't want to use up an import spot. And if we can't get Killen, surely there's some random Australian striker who would be better than Fallon? Or an Asian striker for the AFC slot?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sure he isn't THAT great, I completely agree, and am not a fan of his. However saying never again for the AW's is a bit harsh. There may be a game that suits him perfectly, for example a match against small players e.g. North Korea, where we want to impose ourselves physically to shake them up.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

BarryZuckerkorn wrote:

This.

(& co = Grella, Kewell as a bonus, and Bosnich in the Fox commentary team just for fun)

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

homer_simpson wrote:

but Killen and Wood are big lads themselves - and they are faster and have better touches than Fallon, as well as having far superior goal scoring records at club level. I get that Fallon is an old style target man and goalscoring isn't his primary objective but even his standard leap and elbow swing to get head to the ball just gets penalised at international level thus making him ineffective even at the task he is best suited for. The refereeing in lower English leagues or the SPL is much more forgiving on physcial players than that at international level - witness the game against Italy at the WC...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

To be fair, Fallon was our most effective striker in the lead up to the WC and our hoof ball game suits him to a tee.valeo2011-11-25 13:05:10

a.haak

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

True that the hoof ball style suits him, but does anyone want us to keep playing like that?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If we keep sending crosses in I have no objections to a tall striker whose bread and butter is getting on the end of them.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

If we keep sending crosses in I have no objections to a tall striker whose bread and butter is getting on the end of them.

I have no problem with crosses if it is mixed up a bit, would like a few more earlier balls behind the defence, like Ifill's assist on the weekend. IMHO we get to the byline and cross and our attacking players are static and with Brown maybe a bit deeper this season, not much aerial threat arriving late into the box.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well we could always do with more of this but I'm not sure how often he busts this kind of stuff out...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

once in a life time.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

But a defender at that level isn't going to pop over here to sit on the bench behind Dura and Siggie is he?

We had a luxury when we had McKain and the other two but even then we had to make room for McKain in midfield to stop him being upset at a lack of gametime.

When I left Holland at the end of October there was an article in the paper about how there were 38 pro footballers who were still without a club. Chances are any of them would sit anywhere as long as they had a chance to continue a pro career. Find someone who could play central and RB and they would get game time over the whole season.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

[QUOTE=TouchMe]Young New Zealanders will not get a crack with Ricki in charge... IMO

Draper / Kosta / Marco (to some extent) all capable players who never got a fair crack. Ricki has his favourites, we know that, and that does not room for players of potential. How much game time does anyone really expect to see Lindsey get?

Cheetleburgh / Hogg two NZFC players who arguebly could make the grade not signed. Unless we get a youth team, the chances of a NZ player picking up a contract are slim.

In saying that, they are still better now than what they were 10 years ago.

Ricki wont hire youth - he will stick with 30 year old Journeymen of limited skill / vision who he knows can follow his one dimensional game plan.

Atleast now with no coaching staff he actually goes to trainings and can see what players outside his favourite 14 - 15 can do.

Rant over!
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I understand your sentiments....though I don't quiet agree 100% with your arguement, but its great to see people passionate about NZ talent.

You do wonder how a kiwi kid like Payne gets picked up by Blackburn but does not seem to have not been on the radar of the Nix. I guess time will tell if guys like Rowe are a better bet than Tsattolis.

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