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What's really wrong with the Wellington Phoenix?

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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Hell of a Tua as well.

I wonder what happened to Cherryl. 

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

james dean wrote:

I also get the reason for the away games and I always liked 2nd Best's logic that because we don't go away much the "NZ away" games are good bonding for fans etc

I think they need to try and build a bit more consistency regarding venue and timing.  A bit how the Phoenix always played in Melbourne before the Melbourne Cup.  Then people know what they are going to be getting and can plan accordingly.

I am also biased but I don't know why they don't come back to Napier.  They got 10k here on Labour weekend with the U19s on

Yeah, that's a good idea. I always thought the Phoenix should be looking to take games to some of the regional cities during the traditional Christmas break when the major cities are pretty empty. Make it part of an annual festival sort of thing and play it in Nelson, or the Mount or something.

Then it feels less like something random and more like something the fans are actually involved with.  Plus locals actually can buy into supporting the team knowing they come every year. That was happening a while with the games in Chch I thought.

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

Seems like the Phoenix listened to some of the criticism about how they handled the Auckland shift in terms of comms. 


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Seems like the Phoenix listened to some of the criticism about how they handled the Auckland shift in terms of comms. 

They've nothing to fear about communicating directly with the fans when it's good news though. Hopefully they've taken it on board, but let's see if they're so fast to spread the next bit of bad news.

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about 8 years ago

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Seems like the Phoenix listened to some of the criticism about how they handled the Auckland shift in terms of comms. 

They've nothing to fear about communicating directly with the fans when it's good news though. Hopefully they've taken it on board, but let's see if they're so fast to spread the next bit of bad news.

is sacking darije good or bad news though, unsure if I should be watching my inbox
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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hypothetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

Didn't the last home game of last season only just get 4k of supports if that? Moving the game makes sense.

Mr Positive

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about 8 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hyperthetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

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about 8 years ago

Royz wrote:

Didn't the last home game of last season only just get 4k of supports if that? Moving the game makes sense.

No that was the previous game last home game had somewhere over 6000

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

Royz wrote:

Didn't the last home game of last season only just get 4k of supports if that? Moving the game makes sense.

Difference being, as it is the last game how do you know only 4k would have shown up? And now with Krishna back on board, too. A chance to say farewell to some players. If the crowd in Auckland don't show up as in the 20k that Dome mentioned in his article, I will look forward to reading further responses after the game. Karma does have a way in biting you in the arse. 

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hyperthetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

It's quite clear that this hypothetical situation would never actually happen.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hyperthetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

It's quite clear that this hypothetical situation would never actually happen.

Why is it so clear? Was is clear that the last game of the season would be taken to Auckland? 

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hypothetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

I was floating a hypothesis (admittedly it was spelled incorrectly!)

And I have been quite clear in my opposition to the Traveling Circus, especially to Auckland, where they only got 6K last season.

I have been angered by the late change, which affects many people, financially. This, I believe is one of the fundamental failures of the Board & the Club.

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hyperthetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

It's quite clear that this hypothetical situation would never actually happen.

I presume that you mean we would never be in a situation where we would host a playoff game!!?

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hyperthetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

It's quite clear that this hypothetical situation would never actually happen.

I presume that you mean we would never be in a situation where we would host a playoff game!!?

Well the Phoenix have hosted 4 playoff games, all at Westpac. 

So you really are just making stuff up.

Three for me, and two for them.

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about 8 years ago

No. Patrick's comment came across as a future proofing exercise,  not a reflection of past deeds. Hatter is correct. 

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Doesn't the ffa organise the finals anyway?

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about 8 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

The main point that kicked this off with me was losing our last game of the season when it might have been a great time to have acknowledge a great servant of the club whom has strongly hinted of retiring. It was also because of the late notice.  Yes, games get postponed but In  what other league in the world do clubs take their home games away from their home to over 400 kms away? Unless it is a Fifa sanction for disruption? 

Adding to the above comments; hyperthetically speaking,  what if this season had been a successful one & we were heading to the playoffs. Would our last regular season game been held at Westpac? And the playoff game held in Auckland? You would have to leave that decision until quite late in the season, it would not surprise me if Welnix would have agreed to that happening, as you are guaranteed a bigger crowd for a playoff & more people would travel up from Wellington! FUCK the Wellington fans, lets keep the Asian sponsors happy. 

So you're just making stuff up to be angry about?

It's quite clear that this hypothetical situation would never actually happen.

I presume that you mean we would never be in a situation where we would host a playoff game!!?

Well the Phoenix have hosted 4 playoff games, all at Westpac. 

So you really are just making stuff up.

Thanks for that gem of information Buffy, I didn’t realise! ?

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Doesn't the ffa organise the finals anyway?

And, I believe, they keep most of the money made from it. So they would be in favour of using a bigger stadium! 

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Doesn't the ffa organise the finals anyway?

And, I believe, they keep most of the money made from it. So they would be in favour of using a bigger stadium! 

So nothing to do with the phoenix then anyway, makes the whole hypothesis doubly silly.

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about 8 years ago

I think that there are too many supporters that have far higher expectations of what is really achievable. 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 8 years ago

chemi wrote:

Wellington Phoenix play low percentage football - analysis from stuff reporter Ben Strang

An excellent thorough analysis that I did not expect to see on Stuff website. 

Kudos to Ben for putting time and effort into his analysis.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

he makes a lot of sense. I'd read into the multiple tactical changes as a coach who is trying to find out what style of game his team is best suited too - ie it wasnt clear when he started, and in he hasnt settled on a starting 11 that he likes. Given the poor way we've played he's clearly been searching for some solutions but has found nothing.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 8 years ago

theprof wrote:

he makes a lot of sense. I'd read into the multiple tactical changes as a coach who is trying to find out what style of game his team is best suited too - ie it wasnt clear when he started, and in he hasnt settled on a starting 11 that he likes. Given the poor way we've played he's clearly been searching for some solutions but has found nothing.

Yes that was also my impression. Did we expect a touch with a magic wand and an instant change for the better?  I will own up and say that I did. Possibly that is the price we pay for an outsider coach who is effectively new to A-League, let alone new to the special case that is the Nix.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

The coach doesn't pick the best players - easy as that.

The team needs a coach who knows who the best players are.

The following players shouldn't even be in the squad

Worst first:

Patterson - no. 

Ridenton - gives the ball away.

Smith - too light

Rufer - not good enough.

Rogerson - has some ability but not A league level yet


The biggest problem is Ridenton.

I'll be blunt - starting Ridenton every week is like playing with 10 men vs 12. He gives the ball away. The opposition know this so they don't mark him - they want him to get the ball because he gives it back to them. He can't score open goals and loses the ball in dangerous positions. At times, plods aimlessly across the pitch - hides. Gives low quality passes to team mates. Good moves end when he gets the ball.

His team mates yell 'don't lose it' when he gets the ball.

The rest (and Cacache) are all decent players, some excellent ones.

My starting 11 FWIW:

Velaphi

Galloway  Durante  Fox  Parkhouse 

  McGlinchey Ljujic  Singh

Krishna  Kaludjerovic  Burns

Subs:

Italiano

Doyle

Paracki

Rossi

Mullen

In reserve:

Cacache

Lowry

Sail

McGarry - maybe.

Coach: Ifill

That team is competitive.

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about 8 years ago

bunter wrote:

The coach doesn't pick the best players - easy as that.

The team needs a coach who knows who the best players are.

The following players shouldn't even be in the squad

Worst first:

Patterson - no. 

Ridenton - gives the ball away.

Smith - too light

Rufer - not good enough.

Rogerson - has some ability but not A league level yet


The biggest problem is Ridenton.

I'll be blunt - starting Ridenton every week is like playing with 10 men vs 12. He gives the ball away. The opposition know this so they don't mark him - they want him to get the ball because he gives it back to them. He can't score open goals and loses the ball in dangerous positions. At times, plods aimlessly across the pitch - hides. Gives low quality passes to team mates. Good moves end when he gets the ball.

His team mates yell 'don't lose it' when he gets the ball.

The rest (and Cacache) are all decent players, some excellent ones.

My starting 11 FWIW:

Velaphi

Galloway  Durante  Fox  Parkhouse 

  McGlinchey Ljujic  Singh

Krishna  Kaludjerovic  Burns

Subs:

Italiano

Doyle

Paracki

Rossi

Mullen

In reserve:

Cacache

Lowry

Sail

McGarry - maybe.

Coach: Ifill

That team is competitive.

Hilarious. 

Pans Ridenton and then selects Parkhouse...at left back.



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about 8 years ago

Didn't Ifill get sacked as coach of Waitakere united?

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Didn't Ifill get sacked as coach of Waitakere united?

Not sure if sacked as such. But he was player/coach at wairarapa in the central league 


Allegedly

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about 8 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Didn't Ifill get sacked as coach of Waitakere united?

Not sure if sacked as such. But he was player/coach at wairarapa in the central league 

He did, he was originally player coach of Wairarapa United (not Waitakere) he finished 2nd the first season, then 7th in the second season and got the sack as a coach, his third season (last season) he played but Phil Kenziley (SP?) was the coach

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Yeah., meant wairarapa obviously. So, obviously not the best track record for the coach of a Phoenix team as suggested by Bunter. Not to mention he singled out one of our only in form players as one to drop.

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about 8 years ago

bunter wrote:

The coach doesn't pick the best players - easy as that.

The team needs a coach who knows who the best players are.

The following players shouldn't even be in the squad

Worst first:

Patterson - no. 

Ridenton - gives the ball away.

Smith - too light

Rufer - not good enough.

Rogerson - has some ability but not A league level yet

The biggest problem is Ridenton.

I'll be blunt - starting Ridenton every week is like playing with 10 men vs 12. He gives the ball away. The opposition know this so they don't mark him - they want him to get the ball because he gives it back to them. He can't score open goals and loses the ball in dangerous positions. At times, plods aimlessly across the pitch - hides. Gives low quality passes to team mates. Good moves end when he gets the ball.

His team mates yell 'don't lose it' when he gets the ball.

The rest (and Cacache) are all decent players, some excellent ones.

My starting 11 FWIW:

Velaphi

Galloway  Durante  Fox  Parkhouse 

  McGlinchey Ljujic  Singh

Krishna  Kaludjerovic  Burns

Subs:

Italiano

Doyle

Paracki
Rossi

Mullen

In reserve:

Cacache

Lowry

Sail

McGarry - maybe.

Coach: Ifill

That team is competitive.

welcome to the Forum Hamish.

Good luck with Tee Dubs

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about 8 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

bunter wrote:

The coach doesn't pick the best players - easy as that.

The team needs a coach who knows who the best players are.

The following players shouldn't even be in the squad

Worst first:

Patterson - no. 

Ridenton - gives the ball away.

Smith - too light

Rufer - not good enough.

Rogerson - has some ability but not A league level yet

The biggest problem is Ridenton.

I'll be blunt - starting Ridenton every week is like playing with 10 men vs 12. He gives the ball away. The opposition know this so they don't mark him - they want him to get the ball because he gives it back to them. He can't score open goals and loses the ball in dangerous positions. At times, plods aimlessly across the pitch - hides. Gives low quality passes to team mates. Good moves end when he gets the ball.

His team mates yell 'don't lose it' when he gets the ball.

The rest (and Cacache) are all decent players, some excellent ones.

My starting 11 FWIW:

Velaphi

Galloway  Durante  Fox  Parkhouse 

  McGlinchey Ljujic  Singh

Krishna  Kaludjerovic  Burns

Subs:

Italiano

Doyle

Paracki
Rossi

Mullen

In reserve:

Cacache

Lowry

Sail

McGarry - maybe.

Coach: Ifill

That team is competitive.

welcome to the Forum Hamish.

Good luck with Tee Dubs

says he's been a member for 4 years! 8 posts in that time. 



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about 8 years ago

Picking Galloway over Mullen at RB, presumably on the strength of one decent game last night, that makes me wonder.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Mullen is injured

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Mullen is injured

He said he's favourite lineup, not next game lineup. He included Mullen in the bench list so took injury into account.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

bunter wrote:

The coach doesn't pick the best players - easy as that.

The team needs a coach who knows who the best players are.

The following players shouldn't even be in the squad

Worst first:

Patterson - no. 

Ridenton - gives the ball away.

Smith - too light

Rufer - not good enough.

Rogerson - has some ability but not A league level yet

The biggest problem is Ridenton.

I'll be blunt - starting Ridenton every week is like playing with 10 men vs 12. He gives the ball away. The opposition know this so they don't mark him - they want him to get the ball because he gives it back to them. He can't score open goals and loses the ball in dangerous positions. At times, plods aimlessly across the pitch - hides. Gives low quality passes to team mates. Good moves end when he gets the ball.

His team mates yell 'don't lose it' when he gets the ball.

The rest (and Cacache) are all decent players, some excellent ones.

My starting 11 FWIW:

Velaphi

Galloway  Durante  Fox  Parkhouse 

  McGlinchey Ljujic  Singh

Krishna  Kaludjerovic  Burns

Subs:

Italiano

Doyle

Paracki

Rossi

Mullen

In reserve:

Cacache

Lowry

Sail

McGarry - maybe.

Coach: Ifill

That team is competitive.

You my friend have no idea! Bit like Kalezic

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Yeah., meant wairarapa obviously. So, obviously not the best track record for the coach of a Phoenix team as suggested by Bunter. Not to mention he singled out one of our only in form players as one to drop.

It was hard to find anyone who had a good performance last night but Ridenton  did not look to be a form player.

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