What's really wrong with the Wellington Phoenix?

When was that comment written? Oh, not after this game but back after a game where Ridenton was motm. Form comes and goes.

Really, when was he man of the match? I agree with  Bunter  regarding his  passing as he is just not accurate enough.

When were the couple of times Ridenton was the  MOM? 

Yes Burns had a shocker last night, he does not seem interested. This has been a common theme with a number of players this year.

burns and several others should be ashamed of themselves for their performance last night

a couple of others were unfortunately just passengers who were out of their depth

durante, fox, krishna and doyle stood up, but a team needs more than 4 players who are putting in a shift

You do have to question why the players seem disinterested. At least under Ernie they appeared to be trying. Was pretty embarrassed with the effort last night. It’s  generally the manager who creates the culture therefore I wonder if the team aren’t buying what the coach is putting out? 

You'd think for their own professional pride it would be 100%. Doesn't matter who the manager is. Anyone who doesn't chase back after he's given it away should be subbed immediately.

exactly

at what point does a player take responsibility for his own professional conduct no matter what is happening around him?

burns arrived at the club fit and sharp. for his first couple of games, he was so much sharper than anything else we had. his decline may also be down to the training environment etc, but he himself is responsible for his performances and he is also free to make up for any deficiencies he see in how he is being trained by the club. as a pro, he should know by now that the only person he can rely upon to make sure he is properly prepared and his career is protected is himself

also, take out every motivation that a player could possibly have on match day, maybe they hate the coach and the club and the fans for that matter, and leave just one thing, self interest and surely you would still get a better effort than what we saw from burns and his pals last night

How many of the phoneix team would make any other A league team?

Remember NZers take up a foreigner spot in other A league teams

Answer -Krishna -theres not another player at present that another A league team would take.

Thats why we are bottom.

Until the owners are prepared to invest in better quality players, the Phoneix will always be a bottom 4 team as it has been year after year. Being in the top 6 has been an exception. 

Better quality is not just skill level, but pride of performance, a determination to win, a personal motivation, conviction to succeed. We arent seeing that. 

He didn’t even sub players who passed more to the opposition.

1. Krishna

2. Burns [someone would take him because of his reputation]

3. Tando

4. Doyle

Mullen, Fox,

You wanna know what's wrong at the Phoenix at the moment???

She isn't really going out with him!

never go full retard.

Reminds me of the Ricky Horror Show season when even the great Paul Ifill, who never gave less than 100%, turned into a frustrated and disinterested player because of all the crap going on with the coaching issue. Even the very best and most whole hearted players can lose the plot if they aren't happy. Seems to me to be a fair bit of unhappiness in the team right now.

It was very odd watching us against CCM. We were like a zombie football team, doing a lethargic muscle-memory approximation of what a real, live team does. At no stage did we appear to have a clue how to win or a desire to win. If we'd been shambling around and moaning "brains, brains!" I would've only been slightly more surprised. 

Never thought I'd say this but apart from the slight pleasure of watching a few of the younger players' progress there is literally nothing about the Nix that makes me want to engage with them at the moment. Hopefully someone can fix this broken club soon but I'm not holding my breath.

With all that is wrong at the nix people would be better off supporting their nearest National League team than the nix. Not saying the nix players are bad but the team as a whole is really bad. Bunch of 2nd rate players in a 4th rate team, yet I still give my cash over for a season membership. I'll be giving that to Team Wellington at this rate and getting tickets to the odd nix game when I can

Some people have always done both.  They aren't mutually exclusive.

Good to see the club announced Darije's departure via email before we had to find out about it from Stuff.

I'm impressed tbh.

That is probably the most accurate description, ever. I take my hat off to you, sir.

I guess they sent him the email too

This Darije debacle epitomises what is wrong with the club. 

Whiners: "Sort this shark out Phoenix, we're horrid"

Phoenix: "Okay we've sacked the coach"

Whiners: "Sacking the coach is everything that is wrong with this club"

Jesus wept.

The did not sack him, he resigned. The only coach that got sacked was Ricky, Ernie and Darije gave up.

but its so accurate - what's wrong with the club? Every fudgeing thing!

we have one coach leave mid season due to poor results, we then re-sign a players to keep them here and then hire a coach to bring in change, changes are suggested and we sack the coach (or allow him to leave)

so what's wrong - the management making shark deicisions and expecting great results.

He didn't fudgeing resign.  That is 100% clear from this situation.  100%

Even on these forums it's been clear that they have been trying to sack him for a month. It has nothing to do with him wanting to implement plans it has to do with him being a shark coach. 

Yes the club could put their hand up and say we fudgeed up appointing him but realistically they don't need to because their behaviour has made that clear.

So Kalezić wanted to spend more money and the club said no......... I can see why he left.

I am very confident that that is not the case.

This take intrigues me. The Darije signings we saw certainly weren't big money options and I can't recall seeing him talking about needing a war chest. As a guy that didn't tend to pull his punches when dealing with media I would have expected to see some strong comments about that. 

He talked about thinking his players weren't up to it but I don't recall him saying he didn't think he had the funds to fix that.

Also lost Gui and Dario who would have been a fair amount of Salary cap space and replaced them with Burns and what you would suspect were low price options in Ljujic, Patterson, Velaphi.  

Like you I don't see much (any) evidence of money being the problem.

I bet he just didn't like the sticky grass.

He hasn't shied away from going public attacking his players why would a legit concern like funds be a thing he would be afraid of discussing publicly?

Heck WelNix and the club often discuss money in public forums.

Also you can't actually think a future star like Singh on min wage is the problem here?

That's an assumption but there is absolutely not evidence of it. Despite Ljujic, etc. being cheaper players it's probably quite expensive to buy out players contracts and move them on.

Because he's been sacked (well un-renewed) and is trying hard to make it seem like he walked because it looks better on his CV. 

Sacked

Sacked

Sackeddy sack sack sacked.

The same reason he's not going now but is being difficult and saying he's staying until the end of the season even though no one wants him to.  It looks better on his CV.

Suspect he's working on his Wikipedia page as we speak.

Not necessarily. There might be a plan in place to ensure managed transition. Well, I bloody hope so.

Why else would they be making noises already, about Aurelio Vidmar being approached, instead of saying the usual "we're interviewing the right candidates and we have been fielding enquiries from far and wide and we'll make the announcement when we're ready or when the next of kin have been notified and had a chance to grieve in private" bullshark.

The Phoenix as starting to head down the same track that the Kingz and Knights went down. It may not get there but there are similarities....

shambles no matter how you look at it. to hire a coach as part of a rebrand and new vision and fire him before the season is over is an utter embarrassment.

Key differences Id say