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Where did 2,446 fans go?????

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HarryHotspur wrote:
So friendly, even Miss and Master Hotspur will be coming
 
Blimey! Two yiddo families at ROF.  Invasion!!

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oceanic6 wrote:

Curious about where the almost 2500 fans disappeared to on Friday night.� I realise our numbers fluctuate - thanks wikipedia for the stats - but it was a clear calm�Wellington evening.�
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  • 8th home match: 8,032 v Perth Glory on December 7, 2007� W 3-0


  • Season 2


  • 6th home match: 5,500 v Newcastle Jets on November 23, 2008� W 2-0



  • Hmm.. lowest attendance in both previous seasons has resulted in a win, with a rare clean sheet. I'll be doing my bit and staying abroad next week too.


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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    tigers wrote:
    to the zone ???


    Discretion will be the better couse of valour for that game I feel...we're practicing our "Pirate Ships, Arrrgggghhhh" chants in earnest     HarryHotspur2009-09-08 07:29:50
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I think it is quite normal for the 2nd game to have less people coming, unless you are winning every game or at least playing attractive football, the number won't increase by much.

    consistency is the key.  Probably it will get better when it comes to rugby etc's off season and gets warmer.
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    HarryHotspur wrote:
    tigers wrote:
    to the zone ???


    Discretion will be the better couse of valour for that game I feel...we're practicing our "Pirate Ships, Arrrgggghhhh" chants in earnest    
    ban
    You know we belong together...

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Well, it was calm at the stadium, but away from
    there it was REALLY cold and southerly.

    Friggen freezing.

    But I still went. Coz I'm a TRUE fan.
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I REALLY hope nobody had the excuse of 'it was too cold' for not going.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I think the count was wrong, cos there were as many there as there were for the Pwerth game.
     
    Footy should be either Saturday afternoon or Friday evenings - Sunday afternoons are for us part timers. "SOD WHAT SKY WANT"
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Guilty  I wasn't there and the guy I normally go with was absent too. He was skiing and I was sick. Next home game is a goer though.

    Its no longer a problem.

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Skaman wrote:
    I think the count was wrong, cos there were as many there as there were for the Pwerth game.
     
    Footy should be either Saturday afternoon or Friday evenings - Sunday afternoons are for us part timers. "SOD WHAT SKY WANT"
     
    No chance. I said as soon as I got in that the crowd was a bit disappointing. The fever zone was a bit busier, but the rest wasn't - there were far less people across to left, and the crowd on the right didn't stretch as far as it did via Perth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    There were a few people missing, who normally sit around us, one guy I can track down when I'm back at work. A couple we used to sit with never renewed as I guess it's not trendy enough anymore - lightweights.

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Terry cooking the books for the opener?
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    bopman wrote:
     
    People used to whinge about Sunday afternoon not being family friendly, now we have people saying Fridays aren't. Pure fact is we aren't winning. Win and they will come.
     
     
     
    Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
    Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
    20/5/20

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Kapitinix wrote:
    Unless there is a misprint on my season ticket, the next game is a 3.00p.m. Sunday kick off.  This really is the most crowd friendly time available imho.  Fingers crossed for good weather and an excellent performance.  I think we place far too much emphasis on away performances.  If we continue to entertain and win at home, the more casual supporter will keep coming.


    Disagree, those of us that work weekends cannot re arrange our shifts to fit the time, where as if it was later we could....so I will not be there


    Also Oceanic, It wasn't 2,446 that disappeared, was atleast 2,500 as I boosted the numbers by 4, attended my first game for this season and dragged along 3 others who have never been to a Nix game.  I think they are hooked now... 

    Damn bold won't undo
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    you're right Homer, I think it was more cause I also had a group of 8 people who came along with me.
    3 fans and 5 virgins!
     
    One is coming to the next game with me, shes an addict now! hahahaha
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

    I was confused when the numbers came up on the screen... Me and the Mrs had a bet, she said 8,000, I said 10,000. It didn't look like we had dropped 2,500 people from the last home game? it looked just as full to me.

    Scanners are faulty.
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Do the attendance figures include the dancing polar bears??
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Steve-O wrote:
    [ the crowd on the right didn't stretch as far as it did via Perth.
    I don't think the stands have ever reached Perth
    You know we belong together...

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Wasn't Friday freezing?

    Anyway I was a home sick, and having not gone to school couldn't really justify going into town. :l
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

    Warning: Trainspotting-type analysis follows

    Home Attendance 
    S1
    1st home match: 14,421, SUN
    2nd home match: 11,478, SUN
    3rd home match: 12,127, SAT
    4th home match: 10,127 SUN
    5th home match: 10,560, SUN
    6th home match: 8,062, SAT
    7th home match: 18,345, FRI (Pre Becks)
    Exhibition home match: 31,853 Irrelevant
    8th home match: 8,032, FRI
    9th home match: 9,384, FRI
    10th home match: 14,288, FRI

    S2

    1st home match: 10,516, SUN
    2nd home match: 6,110, SUN
    3rd home match: 6,926, SUN
    4th home match: 6,729, SUN
    5th home match: 6,543, SUN
    6th home match: 5,500, SUN
    7th home match: 7,953, FRI
    8th home match: 6,362, SUN
    9th home match: 6,722, FRI
    10th home match: 7,520, SUN
    11th home match: 8,241, SUN

    S3

    1st home match: 10,024, SUN
    2nd home match: 7,578, FRI

    Friday Av: 8,992 (5 fixtures, excluding game pre-beckham)

    Saturday Av: 10,095 (2 fixtures)
    Sunday Av: 8,646 (14 fixtures)
     
    There was a Friday match that netted 14k+ good folk. Without that outlier, the Friday average would be 7,933. 
     
    A lot more variation in the numbers ther, but I think Fridays aren't generally a good time for games, much as I like them to be on then.
     
    More Saturday games please!!

    14/11/09

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    It's quite obvious that it is just because we gave away heaps of free tickets and a lot of people rocked up for the first home game novelty factor.

    a.haak

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

    Every season there has been a drop off of about 30% in crowd numbers from the first home game to the second. For the first 2 seasons the crowd at the second home game was not too far off the end of season average home crowd - so we are looking at an average of around 8,500 - below the 10,000 break-even.

    As has been said countless times already the formula for increasing crowd numbers is simple; win playing attractive football and scoring plenty of goals - that's a saleable product.
     
    I'm sure"bad" press on away results (e.g last Sydney game) also doesn't help - we really do have to get our sh*t together on the road if we want to be play-off contenders and get respect both in Australia and, more importantly for crowds at the RoF, at home.  
    Whitby boy2009-09-08 21:20:37
    He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Michael wrote:
    Wasn't Friday freezing?

    Anyway I was a home sick, and having not gone to school couldn't really justify going into town. :l


    It wasn't that cold IMO.
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    yellowfury wrote:
    Terry cooking the books for the opener?


    I know for a fact that Terry has been giving away some free tickets to junior football teams. My mates little brother played against Mr.Serepisos' son and the whole team got free tickets.

    Can't really hurt to try and get the interest levels up though
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Addicks wrote:

    Warning: Trainspotting-type analysis follows


    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>Home Attendance�

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>S1

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>1st home match: 14,421, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>2nd home match: 11,478, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>3rd home match: 12,127, SAT

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>4th home match: 10,127 SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>5th home match: 10,560, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>6th home match: 8,062, SAT

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>7th home match: 18,345, FRI (Pre Becks)

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>Exhibition home match: 31,853 Irrelevant

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>8th home match: 8,032, FRI

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>9th home match: 9,384, FRI

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>10th home match: 14,288, FRI

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>S2


    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>1st home match: 10,516, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>2nd home match: 6,110, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>3rd home match: 6,926, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>4th home match: 6,729, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>5th home match: 6,543, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>6th home match: 5,500, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>7th home match: 7,953, FRI

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>8th home match: 6,362, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>9th home match: 6,722, FRI

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>10th home match: 7,520, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>11th home match: 8,241, SUN

    <P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>S3
    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>1st home match: 10,024, SUN

    <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt" size=1>2nd home match: 7,578, FRI

    <P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">Friday Av: 8,992 (5 fixtures, excluding game pre-beckham)
    Saturday Av: 10,095 (2 fixtures)

    Sunday Av: 8,646 (14 fixtures)

    �

    There was a Friday match that netted 14k+ good folk. Without that outlier, the Friday average would be 7,933.�

    �

    A lot more variation in the numbers ther, but I think�Fridays aren't generally a good time for games, much as I like them to be on then.

    �

    More Saturday games please!!


    Are you HN in disguise?
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Hmmm.  Addicks for Saturday games you only have n=2 observations.  Pretty unbalanced sample to draw your conclusion. 
     
    Can you show your workings and your probabiity values?
     
    I'd suggest you undertake a multivariate analysis and gather as much data as you can (weather on the day, other events in town, OCR, balance of payments etc).  Come back in a couple of year's time when the analysis is complete and by then you'll have another two seasons of data to add in.

    "Phoenix till they lose"

    Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Win more games consitently get fans back
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    irnbru14 wrote:

    Having game kick off times bouncing around all over the place never helps, even back in the UK some game times are more friendly to supporters, ie 3pm on a Saturday afternoon, changing that often see's a change in crowd sizes.



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    Here games bouncing around from Friday nights to Sunday afternoons to Saturdays to Thursdays or whatever cannot be helpful when trying to build a regular crowd, if the league could somehow stardise at least most of the kick of times we might be in with half a chance, moving it around the schedules is too much hassle for a lot of people.


    Good point - while others might point to NRL, NPC, Super 14 and even the EPL (to a lesser extent) etc as successful examples of codes where games bounce around, they were well established with solid and loyal crowd bases before selling their souls to the TV companies and varying from the standard Sat/Sun afternoon kickoff times.

    However, the FFA/A-league are relative latecomers, and have to establish themselves in the modern marketplace, which places them in a difficult position - limited/less exposure vs confusing the floating punters.

    I'm inclined to go with other comments here - a winning team will put bums on seats, especially with an attractive style of play.wolfman2009-09-09 02:15:59


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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    whilst the recession is going on, attending the football could be perceived as a bit of a luxury for some people when they can watch it at home, so the drop in attendances across the whole a-league are not to be unexpected.  As for the first home game having 2.5k more people? thats predictable in most competitions, plus  i think the number of complementary tickets would have been quite high for that match
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    ForteanTimes wrote:
    There were a few people missing, who normally sit around us, one guy I can track down when I'm back at work. A couple we used to sit with never renewed as I guess it's not trendy enough anymore - lightweights.


    Wow, never been called trendy before, especially after having a season ticket for 26 straight years for an unglamorous club like Wolves, oh to relive those decadent cool hunting Tuesday nights in downtown Grimbsy and Portsmouth in the middle of winter!

    Obviously all this pales into insignificance for a heavyweight, forum loving, lanyard wearing hardcore football fan like you Fortean.

    Oh by the way I got made redundant in May so we couldn�t justify buying season tickets for the Phoenix this season as our cat needed a new Burberry raincoat and I wanted a Mercedes Benz convertible for summer.
     
    Miss you too. Over and out.
     

    S63

    slacKers 632009-09-09 09:44:30
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

    A family pass costs $60.  No including the booking fee.  Another drive past the ROF and saw that the Lions game allows under 14s in for free...there maybe have to have a paying adult with them but it's still a good deal.

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    ForteanTimes wrote:
    There were a few people missing, who normally sit around us, one guy I can track down when I'm back at work. A couple we used to sit with never renewed as I guess it's not trendy enough anymore - lightweights.
     
    I haven't renewed to be honest, I could be one of the guys you are talking about but I might be going overseas to live in the near future so didn't want to make a financial commitment that wouldn't pay off. e.g. leaving empty seats for 4 or 5 games.
    But in the mean time I am just paying game by game...
     
    Guess you just have to remember some people aren't as financially fortunate or secure as some others, I don't think it's a "trend thing" or a novelty that has worn off and I don't think it makes them 'lightweights' either, just unfortunate.
     
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Oceanic6 wrote:

    A family pass costs $60.  No including the booking fee.  Another drive past the ROF and saw that the Lions game allows under 14s in for free...there maybe have to have a paying adult with them but it's still a good deal.

     
    Only if you like rugby (minus the shield)!

    "Phoenix till they lose"

    Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Whitby boy wrote:


    As has been said countless times already the formula for increasing crowd numbers is simple; win playing attractive football and scoring plenty of goals - that's a saleable product.
     


    It sounds simple, I suppose, but how many teams in the A-League have actually achieved that? I'd say only one so far - Melbourne a couple of seasons back. Gold Coast have started like it this season but don't get the crowds.

    Every club has their 'base' amount of loyal supporters - ours seems to be about 6000 - and then a bunch of hangers on who don't go to every game etc.
    valeo2009-09-09 13:17:14

    a.haak

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    valeo wrote:
    Whitby boy wrote:

    As has been said countless times already the formula for increasing crowd numbers is simple; win playing attractive football and scoring plenty of goals - that's a saleable product.
     
    It sounds simple, I suppose, but how many teams in the A-League have actually achieved that? I'd say only one so far - Melbourne a couple of seasons back. Gold Coast have started like it this season but don't get the crowds.

    Every club has their 'base' amount of loyal supporters - ours seems to be about 6000 - and then a bunch of hangers on who don't go to every game etc.
     
    Of course it (consistently win playing attractive football and scoring plenty of goals) is the ideal but I'd suggest the more you do it the bigger the crowds.
     
    I wouldn't characterise those who don't go to every / most games as hangers on - to me they are discretionary spenders - they will spend their discretionary entertainment $s where they feel they get the best value or they will sacrifice other purchases for Nix tickets if they think there is a good chance they will see a good product.
     
    So far this season I think we have shown, at home, that we want to go forward playing good football - the Perth game was good as was the first half of the Adelaide game.
     
    There is great support for the Nix in / around Wellington - we just need to get on a roll - keep getting consistent results at home and get some results on the road - if we are seen as genuine play-off contenders the buzz will build, as will the crowds.
     
    Hopefully we start upping our "road game" this Sunday.
     
      
    Whitby boy2009-09-09 14:37:42
    He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Junior82 wrote:
    Oceanic6 wrote:

    A family pass costs $60.  No including the booking fee.  Another drive past the ROF and saw that the Lions game allows under 14s in for free...there maybe have to have a paying adult with them but it's still a good deal.

     
    Only if you like rugby (minus the shield)!
     
    Oh not really a rugby fan - with or without the shield.  I don't have children myself however thought it was a good idea to get more young ones along on to the games at family friendly times.  Don't know if they club have tried it or not.  $60 is a lot for a day out, you'd pay roughly the same to take a family to the movies I'm guessing.
     
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    Last season the club did offer two for one and kids come free (1 adult 1 kid) if i recall correctly, but towards the end of the season.
     
    Wgtn rugby does offer a lot of incentives and specials - probably has the cash to do so.

    "Phoenix till they lose"

    Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

    Bloody rugby!

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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    I fell asleep at the last Rugby game - Shield game - might have something to do with 4 hours at beervana, then Belgian bar, then BB....

    I'd never fall asleep at a nix game though..............
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    over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
    karori wrote:
    I fell asleep at the last Rugby game - Shield game - might have something to do with 4 hours at beervana, then Belgian bar, then BB....

    I'd never fall asleep at a nix game though..............
     
    If that was my shambles I'd rather be sleeping aswell
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