Check letters to Editor Dom post 17/01/08. Respond direct to
the editor and show the country the support we have for RIcki.
GO RICKI
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ha somewhat agree with him... with our defence who would play 3 at the back. ricki best man there at the moment just get rid of that shod defence (old,christie). still backing ricki were not newcastle united here.
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To walk you first must stand up and fall down a few times. It is
all part of learning.
We started the season with 4 defenders and concedied more
goals.
GO RICKI, GO NIX
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yea fair point... if you wna look back though look at the knights
got 19 points in the a-league nix on 20 so why did they get
dropped??? bobdylan2008-01-17 08:34:40
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Financial meltdown perhaps? Stupid letter to the editor, more
fuel to the fire of the Phoenix knockers who will conveniently
ignore that Ricky had an incredibly difficult assignment in his
first season. Graham Henry didn't get the sack and he had
four years and a whole lot of taxpayer dollars....
Selhurst Park, 25 January 1995
What else could he have done?
What else could he have done?
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Look at goals for, then look at crowd, then look at style of play,
then..................................
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Are you asking why the Knights got dropped?
The Knights got dropped because their backroom setup and and public support where both very poor. Remember the Knights had just as long as all the other A-league teams to get the club and the players together; the Nix had four months(?) before the start of this season yet we've got more points than the Knights did.
The Knights got dropped because their backroom setup and and public support where both very poor. Remember the Knights had just as long as all the other A-league teams to get the club and the players together; the Nix had four months(?) before the start of this season yet we've got more points than the Knights did.
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exactly learn from your mistakes. who is this guy anyway is he a member on here ????
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he lost all credibility with the last line. Stu Jacobs - wtf. He
might want ot check his world cup defensive record.
Founder
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must be from "western suburbs", who enjoys the games they play
in the showers at the aftermatch function. bobdylan2008-01-17
09:01:14
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That's a bit harsh BD. I think that he just doesn't quite
understand what the situatuion is. We have to admit that most of
the players we signed were rejects from other A-League clubs and
IMO we did really well for how long we had to get the whole thing
together. Rikki Herbert is the best coach in this country IMO and
he will be scouting his heart out in search of at least two more
quality defenders for next season.
Rikki should be applauded for how much the whole side has improved from the first two months of the season, not scolded for losing to clubs really actually three years older than us (and older in a couple of cases).
Rikki should be applauded for how much the whole side has improved from the first two months of the season, not scolded for losing to clubs really actually three years older than us (and older in a couple of cases).
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rumor has it if ricki herbert dosnt qualify for 2010 world cup hes
just gonna give up coaching nz concentrate on phoenix...
thats from his nephew who i meet at the pub in gisbourne when
they played think it was adelaide night before new years.. even
asked to see his id to prove he was a herbert.
bobdylan2008-01-17 09:23:02
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I don't think he'd be interested in a national job. Especially one
where he wont win major trophies.
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Jose!
smithy2462008-01-17 09:28:54Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Why does everyone have to take the piss around here?
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Can anybody post a bit more detail on what was said/written? Doesn't seem to be a 'Letters' page on the Online version of the Dom.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I thought it was only old nutters, who have never mastered turning
on a computer, that still
write letters to "The Editor"
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I thought it was only old nutters, who have never mastered turning
on a computer, that still
write letters to "The Editor"
I had one in the other month about the Visa fiasco - so thanks for that (maybe I am a nutter)
Founder
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What's so wrong about someone highlighting some of the failings of the coaching at the Nix in public? Good on him -the particular points he made about the defensive set up are valid. I too expected better given the time the coaches had during the break. Since then though the Nix have gone backwards rapidly whilst most other teams have improved (CCM and Adelaide the exceptions). Surely this can't all be down to the players. Also, everyone has been happy to have goes at the players from time to time in this forum so why should the coaching be off limits from criticism?
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the difference is Righstr that any niggles about players are as you
say voiced on this board, not in public
haven't read it so can't comment on the details, but i don't think Steinbauer has done the club any good with this - and i believe that fans should think about any effects of their actions on the club
haven't read it so can't comment on the details, but i don't think Steinbauer has done the club any good with this - and i believe that fans should think about any effects of their actions on the club
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because he calls for the coach to be sacked because he played 3 at
the back instead of 4??? i didnt know Phoenix were running a
stalin-newcastle like regime here in wellington. you hav to give a
coach time, resources and a bloody good agent to get a good
defence. im sure the backline ricki has is not his dream backline
but from what he has had available from a defence made up of
unwanted a-league player hes done very well. let him be and still i
ask matthew steinbauer WHO the f**king hell r u.
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Can anybody post a bit more detail on what was said/written? Doesn't seem to be a 'Letters' page on the Online version of the Dom.
His argument broken down:
-Ricki has persisted with playing a back 3.
-The back 3 isn't working.
-Ricki should be fired.
-Stu Jacobs should replace him!
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I thought it was only old nutters, who have never mastered turning
on a computer, that still
write letters to "The Editor"
I had one in the other month about the Visa fiasco - so thanks for that (maybe I am a nutter)
Apologies, though questioning government policy by means
of a letter to the editor seems to me, for some reason, Ok. I
do wonder though how wide spread are these letters read these
days.
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Can anybody�post a bit more detail on what was said/written? Doesn't seem to be a 'Letters' page on the Online version of the Dom.
[/QUOTE]Okay...
[quote]Soccer coach Ricki Herbert has done a fine job kicking off the Phoenix debut season in the A-League, but his time is up and was some matches ago.
His intention to play attacking football was clear from the beginning with a 3-5-2 formation and his signing of Brazilian players. This would be fine were his three backs world class. Otherwise, he was expecting far too much of them but persists with a strategy that is clearly not working.
I � and many others � are disappointed with Herbert and it's worse when we see a great crowd that deserves a lot more.
To hear of the marathon training done over the Christmas break is a let-down when the team should have been working extensively on defence with four backs.
Who should replace Herbert? Stu Jacobs.
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Looks like two issues here to address:
1.Should criticisms of the Nix be aired in public? Well, this
forum is public too (it doesn't take much to sign up and read the
posts) so no real difference between writing to the Dom and
posting here. And at least we know his name - ballsy stuff
because he doesn't know who we are. Plus the Nix are
happy to have the Dom write positive articles about Terry, Ricky et
al so should be prepared to accept things coming the other
way.
2. The crticisms themselves. Are they valid? The letter
jumped to an extreme conclusion ie sack Ricky appoint Stu. He
hasn't referred to the usual mitigating reasons - lack of time, new
club , give us a chance et etc. But for me he is right in pointing
the finger at the coaches, they must take some blame for what has
happened since the Xmas break.
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Soccer coach Ricki Herbert has done a fine job kicking off the
Phoenix debut season in the A-League, but his time is up and was
some matches ago.
His intention to play attacking football was clear from the beginning with a 3-5-2 formation and his signing of Brazilian players. This would be fine were his three backs world class. Otherwise, he was expecting far too much of them but persists with a strategy that is clearly not working.
I � and many others � are disappointed with Herbert and it's worse when we see a great crowd that deserves a lot more.
To hear of the marathon training done over the Christmas break is a let-down when the team should have been working extensively on defence with four backs.
Who should replace Herbert? Stu Jacobs.
His intention to play attacking football was clear from the beginning with a 3-5-2 formation and his signing of Brazilian players. This would be fine were his three backs world class. Otherwise, he was expecting far too much of them but persists with a strategy that is clearly not working.
I � and many others � are disappointed with Herbert and it's worse when we see a great crowd that deserves a lot more.
To hear of the marathon training done over the Christmas break is a let-down when the team should have been working extensively on defence with four backs.
Who should replace Herbert? Stu Jacobs.
I stopped reading after the use of 'soccer'. If you
don't know the name of the sport you are talking about then you are
wasting my time.
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Looks like two issues here to address:
1.Should criticisms of the Nix be aired in public? Well, this
forum is public too (it doesn't take much to sign up and read the
posts) so no real difference between writing to the Dom and
posting here. And at least we know his name - ballsy stuff
because he doesn't know who we are. Plus the Nix are
happy to have the Dom write positive articles about Terry, Ricky et
al so should be prepared to accept things coming the other
way.
2. The crticisms themselves. Are they valid? The letter
jumped to an extreme conclusion ie sack Ricky appoint Stu. He
hasn't referred to the usual mitigating reasons - lack of time, new
club , give us a chance et etc. But for me he is right in pointing
the finger at the coaches, they must take some blame for what has
happened since the Xmas break.
I agree that the coaches should be held accountable but they do need time. We should hold on reviewing Rikki's position until this time next year. The writer of that letter must not realise that Stu is Rikki's right hand man and some of the coaching ineffectiveness is quite likely down to him a well as Rikki.
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Steinbauer is right. We are not top of the league. We haven't had sell out crowds every week. We haven't kept a clean sheet every week. We've averaged less then five goals a match. Ross Aloisi hasn't been picked as World Player of the Year. It's been a disaster... Ricki must go!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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World class backs. So we should sign players like John Terry and
William Gallas?
"3-5-2 from the start". We started with 442. When Clebo didn't work, 352 resulted.
"3-5-2 from the start". We started with 442. When Clebo didn't work, 352 resulted.
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[QUOTE=yomcat]
His intention to play attacking football was clear from the beginning with a 3-5-2 formation
His intention to play attacking football was clear from the beginning with a 3-5-2 formation
Didn`t he start the season with four at the back?
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Cheers for posting that, yomcat. Intereresting.
For starters, we didn't play 3 at the back from the beginning.
I may be wrong, and it might be selective memory, but hasn't
playing with 3 at the back been generally more effective for us
than a back four was?
I'm also intrigued by the "I and many others are
disappointed...." line. I would think that this Forum represents a
sizeable proportion, and cross section, of the hard core Nix
support and I don't recall anyone posting about
how disappointed they've been with Ricki's performance.
Suggesting sacking the coach is a bit over the top but the
bloke is entitled to his opinion. He's also entitled to air that
opinion in public, no matter how we may disagree with it
How can I put this, I strongly suspect that Mr Steinbauer
isn't a season ticket holder and hasn't spent too much time (if
any) in the Fever Zone!!
Maybe it's Happyted trying to wind us up again.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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re his 'points'
as someone may have already pointed out we didn't start with 3-5-2 (edit -not you Jag, someone before -my memory's not that bad
)
2 of the 4 Brazilians are class in this league
and his rumours of 'Marathon' ?? training - are as far as i know just rumours, and at training yesterday a back four was in place
in conclusion, ricki's made it clear that he wants to both entertain and win - and in my view he will achieve that
tigers2008-01-17 11:38:09
as someone may have already pointed out we didn't start with 3-5-2 (edit -not you Jag, someone before -my memory's not that bad
)2 of the 4 Brazilians are class in this league
and his rumours of 'Marathon' ?? training - are as far as i know just rumours, and at training yesterday a back four was in place
in conclusion, ricki's made it clear that he wants to both entertain and win - and in my view he will achieve that
tigers2008-01-17 11:38:09
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I wasn't being particularly serious. Its just one of those pet hates that I have (and I'm sure others do). I think most people agree the writer is welcome to his option and to express it in the public, however he�s a bit misguided on some points (i.e. formation at start of season, that stu is ricki's assistant, the lack of preparation time etc).
Perhaps someone would like to write a response letter to the Dom Post.
Bags not me
2ndBest2008-01-17 12:17:00
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The guy who wrote to the Dom about th8is clearly hasn't been
watching the Phonenix play, we started the season with 4 at the
back, they were terrible, we then dumped Cleberson brought in Rees
and chaged to 3 at the back, since the change barring a few lapses
the "d" has been heaps better. True we probably need some better
defensive p[layers, but given the fact that the nix were pulled
together in 2/3 months instead of the normal 6+ months of
establishing a team i think we've performed admirably.
Looking forward to next season, ricki not only has longer to
prepare, he also has a good bunch of guys to build upon!
How can he be sacked? We can still finish 7th which is higher
than the kingz and knights even looked like doing, we've played a
better brand of footy, scored more goals etc, and been very
competitive. Excluding a fair amount of new team gliches, we could
eassily be cometing for top four - i think based on this season the
expectations can be fairly high for next season.
Lets face it, we are never going to able to afford to bring in
many superstars, the salary cap blocks that quite well, at the
moment we can look back and say we were competitive, and played
well, we lost a few opportunities, next season its all looking very
positive for a really good season.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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The guys related to a friend from work. Don't know much about him
though, am in the process of finding out about the muppet... Who is
this guy, who does he think he is... Stay there, I'll find out!
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Damn, wisely she is refusing to tell me a whole lot except for that
he played for Miramar Rangers, he was a keeper... But from what I
hear more of a spectator...
Dwyer2008-01-17 14:43:31
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