What happened to that young blonde keeper? I was starting to like him and then disappears 🫥
There was talk of “managing McCarron’s minutes” seeing he’s only 17, though personally I was hugely impressed by the resilience he showed in bouncing back from that dreadful Victory game to what we saw in Brisbane five days later.
After Josh’s disastrous night I wonder if McCarron will find himself back on the bench at least.
I need to watch the replays (although I don’t think I can face that tonight), but the worst thing about the oggie is that at least from my angle it looked like if Josh had leapt back up he might’ve been able to grab the ball in time.
Or maybe that’s just the “slow-motion car crash” effect playing tricks on me.
I feel bad for Josh. If Chiefy was capable of coaching a normal style of football not requiring incredibly risky high line sweeping or passing out from the back no matter the press, he might have really impressed for us as a great shot stopper. He was asked to things he shouldn't have been, given his attributes.
But he isnt going to be here next season, nobody in their right mind would waste a visa spot on him. So he shouldn't get another minute this season.
We stunned them in that first derby. Set them on their heels. Bloodied their noses. They wobbled through games and lost points as a result. It seemed like a building point. None of that grit was out there today. For us that is.
If Dome doesn’t let Chief go today, then perhaps I’m fine with a back office overhaul too.
Admire the enthusiasm, but ‘competing for half a game’ doesn’t really count as a bloodied nose or setting a team on their heels - being moderately competitive is what teams are meant to be doing every week! Never mind squandering the substantial numerical advantage - if anything that galvanises the team that manages to ride it out and take the win. Anyhow…
I feel bad for Josh. If Chiefy was capable of coaching a normal style of football not requiring incredibly risky high line sweeping or passing out from the back no matter the press, he might have really impressed for us as a great shot stopper. He was asked to things he shouldn't have been, given his attributes.
But he isnt going to be here next season, nobody in their right mind would waste a visa spot on him. So he shouldn't get another minute this season.
A long clearance like that can happen to any team no matter what style of play they utilise. Shot stopping is just one part of being a goalkeeper these days and while Josh is good at it he fails at just about every other attribute. I wouldn't be surprised if his next gig is at a level below the A-League and perhaps not even a professional level.
It's tough. I'm in a pretty dark place right now, and its because i love this fudgeing club with all my heart.
But walking out of thay ground was the roughest I have felt.
Gutted for Chiefy. I will always have a place in my heart for him having given us one of the greatest seasons I have enjoyed.
I think its the high of his first season that has made this feel so much worse because we have had much sharktier teams and been in the spoon race before.
Still love Chiefy but the right call for him to step aside.
I had genuine optimism about this game, but bugger me, what was that performance?
under another system he may not have been so far from his goal, nor would he have been instructed to and spent to much time preparing to head balls outside his box. Woud commented earlier this season, he was baffled that in the warmup to one of the derbies (i think the first one) he was practicing saves and catches and he saw his opposite in Oluwayemi doing heading practice! LT01
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I feel bad for Josh. If Chiefy was capable of coaching a normal style of football not requiring incredibly risky high line sweeping or passing out from the back no matter the press, he might have really impressed for us as a great shot stopper. He was asked to things he shouldn't have been, given his attributes.
But he isnt going to be here next season, nobody in their right mind would waste a visa spot on him. So he shouldn't get another minute this season.
A long clearance like that can happen to any team no matter what style of play they utilise. Shot stopping is just one part of being a goalkeeper these days and while Josh is good at it he fails at just about every other attribute. I wouldn't be surprised if his next gig is at a level below the A-League and perhaps not even a professional level.
We stunned them in that first derby. Set them on their heels. Bloodied their noses. They wobbled through games and lost points as a result. It seemed like a building point. None of that grit was out there today. For us that is.
If Dome doesn’t let Chief go today, then perhaps I’m fine with a back office overhaul too.
Admire the enthusiasm, but ‘competing for half a game’ doesn’t really count as a bloodied nose or setting a team on their heels - being moderately competitive is what teams are meant to be doing every week! Never mind squandering the substantial numerical advantage - if anything that galvanises the team that manages to ride it out and take the win. Anyhow…
Well sure. But I disagree.
But first, it showed they didn’t have a cloak of invulnerability: they could be hurt.
Second , they had a starting defender and one of their best from the previous season suspended for the next few games. They had to finish a game with 9 men to prevent us scoring. They sacrificed players and coming games to prevent our best chances.
Thirdly, the Auckland players themselves were introduced to doubt in their abilities.
After playing us they dropped 5 points in the next 2 games. They were rattled. It wasn’t business as usual.
They expected teams they scored against to roll up like we did today. In that first game we equalised within minutes and then we relentlessly attacked them throughout the second half. They were shocked at our tenacity. Sure, they hung on, but it was by the skin of their teeth. It was Dunkirk, not D-Day, if you like. They hung on but were exhausted physically and mentally from doing so.
That’s not ‘moderately competitive.’ How often do teams we or anyone plays against end up with 9 men?
We picked up more points than they did in the next two games with a good win over Adelaide.
Fudge every single Auckland fcer . And chief. That was woefully embarrassing. No fight, just embarrassment. They were sharke today, but we absolutely gave them that game. Pathetic. Going to be hard to get any of the casuals back to pay to watch that sharke. Pathetic.
We stunned them in that first derby. Set them on their heels. Bloodied their noses. They wobbled through games and lost points as a result. It seemed like a building point. None of that grit was out there today. For us that is.
If Dome doesn’t let Chief go today, then perhaps I’m fine with a back office overhaul too.
Admire the enthusiasm, but ‘competing for half a game’ doesn’t really count as a bloodied nose or setting a team on their heels - being moderately competitive is what teams are meant to be doing every week! Never mind squandering the substantial numerical advantage - if anything that galvanises the team that manages to ride it out and take the win. Anyhow…
Well sure. But I disagree.
But first, it showed they didn’t have a cloak of invulnerability: they could be hurt.
Second , they had a starting defender and one of their best from the previous season suspended for the next few games. They had to finish a game with 9 men to prevent us scoring. They sacrificed players and coming games to prevent our best chances.
Thirdly, the Auckland players themselves were introduced to doubt in their abilities.
After playing us they dropped 5 points in the next 2 games. They were rattled. It wasn’t business as usual.
They expected teams they scored against to roll up like we did today. In that first game we equalised within minutes and then we relentlessly attacked them throughout the second half. They were shocked at our tenacity. Sure, they hung on, but it was by the skin of their teeth. It was Dunkirk, not D-Day, if you like. They hung on but were exhausted physically and mentally from doing so.
That’s not ‘moderately competitive.’ How often do teams we or anyone plays against end up with 9 men?
We picked up more points than they did in the next two games with a good win over Adelaide.
Today…
Understand where you’re coming from, I probably don’t read as much into it given the points still went the way they did.
But regardless, we’re aligned on today’s performance being break-glass bad. No baby in that bathwater! Jury’s out on whether it will take more than the coach leaving to see an improvement.
My gut feel is that the composition of the squad is a bit wrong, both in terms of physical attributes (glaciers move quicker than James and Tuiloma at times) but also the age/experience/upside mix. All-in on youth is great in theory but a few more limited-but-seasoned Rufer/Muscat types would go a long way, especially when some of the young guys may actually not be up to the level anyway.
We stunned them in that first derby. Set them on their heels. Bloodied their noses. They wobbled through games and lost points as a result. It seemed like a building point. None of that grit was out there today. For us that is.
If Dome doesn’t let Chief go today, then perhaps I’m fine with a back office overhaul too.
Admire the enthusiasm, but ‘competing for half a game’ doesn’t really count as a bloodied nose or setting a team on their heels - being moderately competitive is what teams are meant to be doing every week! Never mind squandering the substantial numerical advantage - if anything that galvanises the team that manages to ride it out and take the win. Anyhow…
Well sure. But I disagree.
But first, it showed they didn’t have a cloak of invulnerability: they could be hurt.
Second , they had a starting defender and one of their best from the previous season suspended for the next few games. They had to finish a game with 9 men to prevent us scoring. They sacrificed players and coming games to prevent our best chances.
Thirdly, the Auckland players themselves were introduced to doubt in their abilities.
After playing us they dropped 5 points in the next 2 games. They were rattled. It wasn’t business as usual.
They expected teams they scored against to roll up like we did today. In that first game we equalised within minutes and then we relentlessly attacked them throughout the second half. They were shocked at our tenacity. Sure, they hung on, but it was by the skin of their teeth. It was Dunkirk, not D-Day, if you like. They hung on but were exhausted physically and mentally from doing so.
That’s not ‘moderately competitive.’ How often do teams we or anyone plays against end up with 9 men?
We picked up more points than they did in the next two games with a good win over Adelaide.
Today…
Understand where you’re coming from, I probably don’t read as much into it given the points still went the way they did.
But regardless, we’re aligned on today’s performance being break-glass bad. No baby in that bathwater! Jury’s out on whether it will take more than the coach leaving to see an improvement.
My gut feel is that the composition of the squad is a bit wrong, both in terms of physical attributes (glaciers move quicker than James and Tuiloma at times) but also the age/experience/upside mix. All-in on youth is great in theory but a few more limited-but-seasoned Rufer/Muscat types would go a long way, especially when some of the young guys may actually not be up to the level anyway.
A team made up of my daughters and their kindergarten classmates might have at least given a better account of themselves than our team did at the end of the first half today. The thought of the first thought is kind of wonderful, the second was the final straw for Chiefy.
this was my first game of the season at the stadium, live out in porirua and go to many of the wahinix games, logistics easier etc. have been here since 07, now have kids and they say yes whenever we ask if they want to go to a game, they love it. this was a bleak one for sure. that first half was probably the worst I've been at for our team in person. kids still happy for the day out. they will still say yes when we ask them next time. this was an awful result but by no means do I feel we are at out lowest point, has felt pretty hopeless at points in the past. if chiefy is the problem and this result is the catalyst for change, then thats a good thing and we move forward. the fact you all care so much shows the passion this club has built in the last 20 years. that means alot more than what AFC has done in 2 years with their money. they are only in the league because we resurrected their team that failed twice and showed them how to support a football club through ups and downs. remember that.
Chiefy actually came across as a relieved man in his resignation interview. Like someone who knew they had reached the end of the road. I thank him for his great first season but it was all downhill after that. I dont really dump on him because i believe he genuinely had his heart in the job. He just wasnt good enough. Who I really want to dump on is the Nix management. They reappointed him after last years disasterous season. They re-signed him despite just about everyone objecting. What many many people predicted came to pass. Near bottom of the AL, another derby thrashing, poor crowds, loss of fans and Chiefy gone. Dont dump on the players, dont dump on Chiefy. The blame lies 100% on Nix management
Serious question, do we think we see Josh back for the Phoenix? In the matchday squad ect . I cannot see a way back for him unfortunately. I’d rather see Amon and Alby given a chance and release Josh.
He's gone at the end of the season. Would make sense for AKH and McCarron to be the two keepers in the squad for the rest of the season, but things may still need to be worked out for McCarron re appropriate contracting, so for that reason it may be that Josh sits on the bench until that is sorted.
Chiefy actually came across as a relieved man in his resignation interview. Like someone who knew they had reached the end of the road. I thank him for his great first season but it was all downhill after that. I dont really dump on him because i believe he genuinely had his heart in the job. He just wasnt good enough. Who I really want to dump on is the Nix management. They reappointed him after last years disasterous season. They re-signed him despite just about everyone objecting. What many many people predicted came to pass. Near bottom of the AL, another derby thrashing, poor crowds, loss of fans and Chiefy gone. Dont dump on the players, dont dump on Chiefy. The blame lies 100% on Nix management
BS the players dont get a free ride. Sorry they are the ones on the field how the hell do you give them a free pass. Also yes Chief has to also take some of the blame which he did at last. Yep management have also made mistakes but to put the blame only on them is just wrong.
The players are mentally gone. No confidence, no hope, confused by tactics, changes of formation etc etc. The blame for that is rooted in their management. The players dont go into match day thinking Im going to play like shiite today and make lots of mistakes. Its the choices that management makes has has a huge impact in the performance of players.
Was Hughes playing as a sweeper here?? Struggling to understand how/why the backline is that fragmented. All ended up looking like statues when the ball came back in as well.
Each of the first three goals just seemed to make us look worse and worse. Absolutely piss poor all round.
Chiefy has been about as inconsistent as you could conceivably be with his defensive shape, personnel, and the positions within the defense that particular defenders play (even taking into account injuries to Payne etc). It isn't surprising that none of our defenders seem to know what they are supposed to be doing or where exactly they should be at any given moment.
I need to watch the replays (although I don’t think I can face that tonight), but the worst thing about the oggie is that at least from my angle it looked like if Josh had leapt back up he might’ve been able to grab the ball in time.
Or maybe that’s just the “slow-motion car crash” effect playing tricks on me.
Chiefy has been about as inconsistent as you could conceivably be with his defensive shape, personnel, and the positions within the defense that particular defenders play (even taking into account injuries to Payne etc). It isn't surprising that none of our defenders seem to know what they are supposed to be doing or where exactly they should be at any given moment.
And that's one reason why I'm excited for someone else to take over! Fresh start, new ideas, here we go!
Chiefs resignation has definitely given me some hope, just knowing we'll try something different, even if it's just going back to basics which I'd imagine we'll probably be doing for the rest of the season.
Having said that, A LOT of damage has been done these past 2 years and the club is absolutely rock bottom. I actually think this is right up there with the most humiliating defeats any team has ever copped.
Our crowds are down to a minimum, players confidence must be absolutely shot, and we're the laughing stock of the league. Its a long way back. It starts today, I hope whoever will get the coaching gig next season will get it right. We can't afford another year like this. In fact to turn the public's perception of the club it will actually take several good years to undo this train wreck. Here's hoping...
Chiefy took full responsibility, somebody tell him there's somebody he forgot to ask, ballane begs to differ
Care to point to where i have posted anything after yesterdays result that i wanted him to stay. Just because i dont speak with the venom about the guy you have continually done. Yet again you post something thats just isnt true and a flat out lie in an attempt to try and be relevant.
If players at this level do not understand the basic principles of defending, they shouldn't be anywhere near professional level.. The school boy errors defensively aren't down to coaching, rather an inability or lack of motivation to do the basics
i wasn't suggesting you wanted him to stay, i recall you were saying that chiefy's time should probably be up at least a couple weeks before yesterday. Was just making a joke about you wanting to apportion a significant amount of responsibility/blame to the playersballane
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Chiefy took full responsibility, somebody tell him there's somebody he forgot to ask, ballane begs to differ
Care to point to where i have posted anything after yesterdays result that i wanted him to stay. Just because i dont speak with the venom about the guy you have continually done. Yet again you post something thats just isnt true and a flat out lie in an attempt to try and be relevant.
Chiefy took full responsibility, somebody tell him there's somebody he forgot to ask, ballane begs to differ
Care to point to where i have posted anything after yesterdays result that i wanted him to stay. Just because i dont speak with the venom about the guy you have continually done. Yet again you post something thats just isnt true and a flat out lie in an attempt to try and be relevant.
Ballane just doesn't think Chief deserves all the blame despite taking most of the blame last night and resigning. He didn't go out swinging at others last night because he genuinely likes the club and the players.
I've been watching Fenix post above about how could any coach tell the players to defend like this? I don't think any coach ever did. We could have taken any defensive group in the national league, put them on the park and we'd have had a better result. The proof of this is Aucklands XG - 1.6 - a statistical anomaly, how did they score 5???
If we dont get an instant response from the players next game I think we'll see a lot worse. Their confidence is completely shot to the point they don't even have the pride to do the basics right.
I pray for a new manager bounce or else watching the last of this season is going to be seriously painful.
i wasn't suggesting you wanted him to stay, i recall you were saying that chiefy's time should probably be up at least a couple weeks before yesterday. Was just making a joke about you wanting to apportion a significant amount of responsibility/blame to the playersballane
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Chiefy took full responsibility, somebody tell him there's somebody he forgot to ask, ballane begs to differ
Care to point to where i have posted anything after yesterdays result that i wanted him to stay. Just because i dont speak with the venom about the guy you have continually done. Yet again you post something thats just isnt true and a flat out lie in an attempt to try and be relevant.
So the players dont get to take any of the blame for some of the shocking errors they have made. At what point do they get to take some of the blame for some play that frankly isnt up to even A League standard. Yes Chief has to cop his share of the blame for this shambles but so do the players for some of their frankly lack luster efforts.
