I don't have the answer, I just want to acknowledge how tough it must be for Knott and many others who are in the same situation.
To expect that kind of commitment for $36k a season is ludicrous. But I can also understand the Nix not having the resources to pay high(er) wages.
It really sucks.
But hang on, how long is the "season?" 4 or 5 months?
Which leaves you with 6 months to work on something else. So really 36k for half a years commitment sounds pretty good to me
$72k per year pro rata is a good wage? Wow I've never been rich but I must say, I wouldn't work for that, especially if I had to train most days of the week and had to travel to play in Australia every second game.
I don't have the answer, I just want to acknowledge how tough it must be for Knott and many others who are in the same situation.
To expect that kind of commitment for $36k a season is ludicrous. But I can also understand the Nix not having the resources to pay high(er) wages.
It really sucks.
But hang on, how long is the "season?" 4 or 5 months?
Which leaves you with 6 months to work on something else. So really 36k for half a years commitment sounds pretty good to me
$72k per year pro rata is a good wage? Wow I've never been rich but I must say, I wouldn't work for that, especially if I had to train most days of the week and had to travel to play in Australia every second game.
That's well above median. Plenty of people work for less.
At the end of the day no one is forced to sign a contract.
I don't have the answer, I just want to acknowledge how tough it must be for Knott and many others who are in the same situation.
To expect that kind of commitment for $36k a season is ludicrous. But I can also understand the Nix not having the resources to pay high(er) wages.
It really sucks.
The Nix have the resources if they choose to pay higher, ( a number of the owners are on the rich list) but the issue is the salary cap which prevents them.
I don't have the answer, I just want to acknowledge how tough it must be for Knott and many others who are in the same situation.
To expect that kind of commitment for $36k a season is ludicrous. But I can also understand the Nix not having the resources to pay high(er) wages.
It really sucks.
The Nix have the resources if they choose to pay higher, ( a number of the owners are on the rich list) but the issue is the salary cap which prevents them.
Also spending all your money on sports that don't make you more is a good way to lose the 'rich list' status and then be unable to fund any football at all.
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8 month contract. Less tax/super Rent and utilities 12k, insurances rental, medical, car, vehicle & petrol costs 10k, boots shoes, and other gear another 2k. Leaves about 6k for food, toiletries etc if you r lucky. It's a constant struggle that most can't do without additional work or support. With training days varying based on game days and travel, u would need a super flexible employer to help top it up. If u r a super fleible employer, get in touch, i know a few girls who might appreciate some work!newzealandpower
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I don't have the answer, I just want to acknowledge how tough it must be for Knott and many others who are in the same situation.
To expect that kind of commitment for $36k a season is ludicrous. But I can also understand the Nix not having the resources to pay high(er) wages.
It really sucks.
But hang on, how long is the "season?" 4 or 5 months?
Which leaves you with 6 months to work on something else. So really 36k for half a years commitment sounds pretty good to me
$72k per year pro rata is a good wage? Wow I've never been rich but I must say, I wouldn't work for that, especially if I had to train most days of the week and had to travel to play in Australia every second game.
I don't have the answer, I just want to acknowledge how tough it must be for Knott and many others who are in the same situation.
To expect that kind of commitment for $36k a season is ludicrous. But I can also understand the Nix not having the resources to pay high(er) wages.
It really sucks.
The Nix have the resources if they choose to pay higher, ( a number of the owners are on the rich list) but the issue is the salary cap which prevents them.
Also spending all your money on sports that don't make you more is a good way to lose the 'rich list' status and then be unable to fund any football at all.
Sure, they need to be prudent and they have stated this from the beginning of their involvement but for some, the money that they are injecting into The Nix is petty cash.
It has to be tough on all the players in the womens league at the moment. Salary cap at somewhere in the $640k NZD range for 20ish players. Sure it's only for a 4-5 month season but its a full time gig during that period. I always find it interesting when player speaks out about why they are doing something, they often will site one specific reason as "not the main reason" for the decision, in this case money, but they never really specify what the main reason is. Words like culture/values/honesty dont really provide specifics. Vause not aligning is interesting to me, if they dont align now, did they in the last two seasons? if so whats changed - Temple coming in along with some import players. So Temple is running the team like a proper pro football team, which is different to previously? Does Chloe not like this? Is she unhappy nit being the big star of the team? Was she promised something by the club she hasnt received? They all soeak to values/honesty - but we can only speculate. Financialaly it must be tough, renting in Wellington with a mortgage and partner in Auckland. But if money isnt the main issue she realy needs to come out with what actually is the main issue. Everyone else in the team seems to be loving the culture and the way things are being run. I feel for her, but it takes two to tango and I doubt she is the completly blameless in whatever disagreements have occurred.
But i do believe Knott has to explain her comments around values etc....you can't just throw that out and run away...thats weak asf. I'm sure she will speak eventually. But she wants to be careful because if she wants to play for the future Auckland side you don't want to come across as a troublesome/difficult player. Somewhat black listed already i'd say.
I don't think "weak asf" is the right words here. The term that springs to my mind is "designed deliberately to hurt the club". I can't imagine she did that out of a tantrum, she must have a very good reason to be angry enough to coldly do that.
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It is a real shame this is the way it has ended at the Nix for Chloe. Its an amazing stat. that she has played every game in the history of this team. That is stuff of legendary status. So disappointing she can not see out this season.
Without any context to her departing comments, It just opens up for all kinds of wild speculation. Which doesn't really help anyone at the end of the day.
But i do believe Knott has to explain her comments around values etc....you can't just throw that out and run away...thats weak asf. I'm sure she will speak eventually. But she wants to be careful because if she wants to play for the future Auckland side you don't want to come across as a troublesome/difficult player. Somewhat black listed already i'd say.
I don't think "weak asf" is the right words here. The term that springs to my mind is "designed deliberately to hurt the club". I can't imagine she did that out of a tantrum, she must have a very good reason to be angry enough to coldly do that.
I disagree, there is no evidence that she has a very good reason to attack the club. I haven't seen any other players complaining, the team keeps winning games from what we can see the environment looks very positive. Someone perceiving they have been wronged doesn't mean they have at all. Frankly untill she provides some hard evidence of being wronged I'm happy to write it of as bullocks.
Making some vague claims about the club and then not elaborating is "weak asf".
It has to be tough on all the players in the womens league at the moment. Salary cap at somewhere in the $640k NZD range for 20ish players. Sure it's only for a 4-5 month season but its a full time gig during that period. I always find it interesting when player speaks out about why they are doing something, they often will site one specific reason as "not the main reason" for the decision, in this case money, but they never really specify what the main reason is. Words like culture/values/honesty dont really provide specifics. Vause not aligning is interesting to me, if they dont align now, did they in the last two seasons? if so whats changed - Temple coming in along with some import players. So Temple is running the team like a proper pro football team, which is different to previously? Does Chloe not like this? Is she unhappy nit being the big star of the team? Was she promised something by the club she hasnt received? They all soeak to values/honesty - but we can only speculate. Financialaly it must be tough, renting in Wellington with a mortgage and partner in Auckland. But if money isnt the main issue she realy needs to come out with what actually is the main issue. Everyone else in the team seems to be loving the culture and the way things are being run. I feel for her, but it takes two to tango and I doubt she is the completly blameless in whatever disagreements have occurred.
Agree with all that except the season is around 7-8 months when the preseason starts in September with the comp starting mid Oct and if they reach playoffs playing well into April
Really cant get over some of the people commenting on social media thinking they have some divine right to hear something from the club. Hope the club notes some of those throwing shark their way when it comes to giving privileges to them.
Is this "pretty crappy week" just due to the Knott situation? Or have I missed some other bad Nix news?
Considering both teams are highly successful, coming on the back of a great double header in Auckland, Id say its the Knott situation.
Now, its hard to take sides without a lot of facts, but from my perspective the Phoenix appear to be a very considerate employer - id say they are quite "woke" even in their approach. Unless other players in the team come out with complaints, Id forget it and move on.
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Yep, probably the situation with Chloe, the low attendance in Auckland, and maybe others which we don't know about, all combining to be a sharkty week. Maybe Greenacre handed in his notice this week as well.
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Bummer thing now is. The FF really don't have any other right backs. So Barry will probably have to play another 90. She looked totally gassed after the last game. Which will put her in serious doubt for the next Nix game also.
Oh that sucks. Hope she heals quickly and comes back stronger. The ACL issue is pretty chronic ay. Hope this is investigated heavily.
What’s to investigate? It’s a common injury in women sports due to females wider hips resulting in more strain on knees. Unlucky and extremely gutting but comes with the territory.
She is the sixth player across the A-League Women to suffer an ACL injury after the first six matches of the season.
“It’s heartbreaking for Marisa,” Phoenix coach Paul Temple said. “When you get that kind of news the first thing you’re thinking about is the player and how gutting it is and how distraught she must be.
“Marisa’s been so good this season and really deserved this Ferns call-up. For it to happen at that point while she is away from the country and her family and friends is gut-wrenching.”
Wisnewski suffered her ACL injury while making a tackle inside the first 20 seconds of the Phoenix’s round three win over Brisbane Roar.
“If there is any silver lining to this it’s that Marisa and Wiz are going to be able to go through this journey together and have each other to get through the tougher days,” added Temple.
“They’re both on a similar rehab route now in terms of timing so that’s one thing that could be a positive for both of them, having someone else in the environment that knows exactly what they’re going through.
“Marisa is such a great person and we really want her and Wiz around the environment. They can still contribute to this team for the rest of the season because of the positive influence they can have on the group.”
Rebecca Lake is expected to make her starting debut in Van der Meer’s place when the Phoenix host Melbourne Victory at Porirua Park on Sunday, though the length of the injury will almost certainly force the club to sign a permanent replacement.
The Phoenix were already on the hunt for two players to replace Wisnewski and Knott, and were understood to be close to announcing a new signing this week.
Oh that sucks. Hope she heals quickly and comes back stronger. The ACL issue is pretty chronic ay. Hope this is investigated heavily.
What’s to investigate? It’s a common injury in women sports due to females wider hips resulting in more strain on knees. Unlucky and extremely gutting but comes with the territory.
I agree theres's probably not a lot to investigate, although there is also a lot to understand and learn about the defferences between the men and women and how to modify training sesssions to avoid the barrage of ACL injuries across women's football at the moment. Maybe study is the better word - instead of investigate.
Bloody hell, thats rough. VDM has been great. Taylor could fill in as well as Lake. No immediate problem with depth but we are now on the cusp. Sure as hell hope that Barry isn't overdone tomorrow.
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Oh that sucks. Hope she heals quickly and comes back stronger. The ACL issue is pretty chronic ay. Hope this is investigated heavily.
What’s to investigate? It’s a common injury in women sports due to females wider hips resulting in more strain on knees. Unlucky and extremely gutting but comes with the territory.
I agree theres's probably not a lot to investigate, although there is also a lot to understand and learn about the defferences between the men and women and how to modify training sesssions to avoid the barrage of ACL injuries across women's football at the moment. Maybe study is the better word - instead of investigate.
Whilst not specific to this case or the noteable differences between men/women & respective instances of ACL injury, I'd guess that 99% of players in NZ playing on Artificial Grass are using the wrong boot type which "may" be a factor in either sudden injuries or maybe longer term damage to joints?
In my observation, in NZ most retailers sell & players use Firm Ground (FG) boots on Artificial Grass whereas boot manufacturers do make specific Artificial Grass (AG)boots with a completely different stud design/layout to distribute weight over a larger area, reduce friction, foot "getting stuck" when changing direction etc
Most manufacturers say FG boots should not be worn on AG (for some it invalidates any warranty) & maybe for young players playing multiple sessions over multiple years (through their physical developing years) with the wrong footwear may have an influence on joint stability/wear in later years? ....or....the differences between FG & AG boots could just be manufacturers blurb to sell more boots..No idea
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I have not been a big fan of Chloe around her going forward part of the game, but this season overall she is playing at her peak performance, looks fitter and improved in all areas.
I think it might be a case of, "Hey Chloe you are an important experienced part of our team, we wish recognise this by making you vice-captain."
Then spends a lot of time on the sub bench, even though when she is on the field the results are extremly positive for Wellington phoenix, see below. Then she bags two goals, is well aware of the below stats and team injury issues asks for a pay rise(100% speculation), gets refused but they still say she is important. Then she walks away saying "I want to work in an environment where all employees feel valued and respected at all ages "(including me who will not last after next season other than a bench player)" and in every phase of their career"
Game 1: Chloe starts but is subbed in 63 min. Lose 1-0 goal scored after subbed off. Game 2: Chloe is on sub bench. Subs in 65min. Win 3-0 all goals scored after 65 min. Game 3: Chloe is on sub bench. Subs on in 6min, win 2-1, injury to Wisnewski. Game 4: Chloe back to starting line-up due to season ending injury to Wisnewski. subbed off in 58min to Anna Longo. 2 goals scored when Chloe on the field(one for herself), then 1 OG when off the field and goal conceded off the field. Game 5: subbed not sure what minute, win 2-1 and chloe scores again.
On a side note, what is the status of Macey Fraser, gutted she missed the games NZ against Colombia.
I have not been a big fan of Chloe around her going forward part of the game, but this season overall she is playing at her peak performance, looks fitter and improved in all areas.
I think it might be a case of, "Hey Chloe you are an important experienced part of our team, we wish recognise this by making you vice-captain."
Then spends a lot of time on the sub bench, even though when she is on the field the results are extremly positive for Wellington phoenix, see below. Then she bags two goals, is well aware of the below stats and team injury issues asks for a pay rise(100% speculation), gets refused but they still say she is important. Then she walks away saying "I want to work in an environment where all employees feel valued and respected at all ages "(including me who will not last after next season other than a bench player)" and in every phase of their career"
Game 1: Chloe starts but is subbed in 63 min. Lose 1-0 goal scored after subbed off. Game 2: Chloe is on sub bench. Subs in 65min. Win 3-0 all goals scored after 65 min. Game 3: Chloe is on sub bench. Subs on in 6min, win 2-1, injury to Wisnewski. Game 4: Chloe back to starting line-up due to season ending injury to Wisnewski. subbed off in 58min to Anna Longo. 2 goals scored when Chloe on the field(one for herself), then 1 OG when off the field and goal conceded off the field. Game 5: subbed not sure what minute, win 2-1 and chloe scores again.
On a side note, what is the status of Macey Fraser, gutted she missed the games NZ against Colombia.
Speculative but possible. I wonder if the nix even had any room in the carp to offer a pay rise - assuming this is what she wanted. But then if that's what she equates to "feeling valued" then her statement about it not being about money is false. Part of it has to be that she felt the money she was getting wasnt enough to support her current situation - totally fair, but not a lot the nix can do if they are at the cap - and you'd assume they were given the import players they have added to the squad. If the rest is about feeling valued and important then it comes down to a players expectations and how the club/manager/coaches deal with them. Is Chloe a player expecting more than she warrants? who knows. maybe she doesnt enjoy getting less minutes and being seen as a squad player this season instead of a starter last season. Hard to know anythign without the player or club stepping up with specifics.
With nothing really being said apart from what Chloe has come out with its really only speculation and guess work by everyone. Even those you see across social media who love to claim they have spoken to XY and Z and have the inside scoop. BS Have wondered if its as simple as the blow torch being turned up this season under a new coach and with the overseas imports expecting a more professional environment and some not being able to handle the step up from previous seasons.
“Have wondered if its as simple as the blow torch being turned up this season under a new coach and with the overseas imports expecting a more professional environment and some not being able to handle the step up from previous seasons.”
Interview with Longo below. Worth noting she's also on the payroll of NZF (Development Officer??), which I'm sure is worked around her player commitments at the Nix. So maybe not the same financial pressures as others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5qPQgVJL9A
Wellington Phoenix captain Annalie Longo had little idea her fellow midfielder Chloe Knott was struggling at the club.
The Football Fern was blindsided by her former teammate’s announcement last week, saying she didn’t see it coming and that there was “absolutely not” a cultural problem at the club.
“We didn’t have any discussions ... It was a bit of a shock the letter that got put out by Chloe – it’s never nice to read those things on social media,” Longo said.
Longo says she didn’t see Knott’s bombshell coming, despite the 27-year-old raising issues with her mentor months earlier.
“We had conversations in pre-season, that I thought we managed to iron out. To me, I thought we were connected and gelled,” Longo said.
However disappointed, the skipper is also taking one positive from her former teammate’s decision, saying Knott had started an important conversation.
“The one thing I will say about [Knott’s] comment is we will always fight for more.”
Female players in the competition are deemed semi-pro where clubs’ salary caps are roughly $600,000, where the men’s is $2.6 million.
“I appreciate what Chloe’s done and coming out and being brave and fighting for more,” Longo said.
“That’s what we want, we’re pushing the APL, we’re pushing for longer contracts and all those things, and I think that’s a positive for women’s football.”
Despite feeling the opposite to Knott about the on goings at the club, Longo confirmed they will address it.
“For us it’s about first that reflection piece and then looking internally ... What can we change, are things right, can we do things differently?”
