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coochiee

theprof

coochiee

Italiano said this yesterday, post game. Old's ability will only be fully recognized in NZ, once he's overseas somewhere killing it.  

What i find impressive is this kid is supposedly carrying an ankle injury which needs rest to fully heal, yet he is still playing 90 and beating players for fun.

Pretty sure that Italiano said he's now fully over that injury (so the story has changed), and no rest is needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0lvIR8uNrY

i must have missed that, miracle recovery if that's the case. The physios deserve a medal.

Often feel with attacking youngsters you expect them to have brilliant dribbling ability as soon as they get into the team, but they just make a few wrong decisions before they improve. E.g. Rojas was like that when he joined us.
But Old feels like he's only learnt how to dribble this season, and is suddenly really good at it!

Bevan

Often feel with attacking youngsters you expect them to have brilliant dribbling ability as soon as they get into the team, but they just make a few wrong decisions before they improve. E.g. Rojas was like that when he joined us.
But Old feels like he's only learnt how to dribble this season, and is suddenly really good at it!

 
Regarding Old, possibly but I think it's more likely that under Talay the stress levels were so, so high that none of the boys could really express themselves. 

kungfu panda

Bevan

Often feel with attacking youngsters you expect them to have brilliant dribbling ability as soon as they get into the team, but they just make a few wrong decisions before they improve. E.g. Rojas was like that when he joined us.
But Old feels like he's only learnt how to dribble this season, and is suddenly really good at it!

 
Regarding Old, possibly but I think it's more likely that under Talay the stress levels were so, so high that none of the boys could really express themselves. 

That is a fair point. It's not just the youngsters; I also quite like the way Barbarouses expresses himself this season.

To change the subject completely re Sunday:

Why do they water the pitch so much after warm ups and before play?  Especially in the first half, players were slipping a lot so though they had the wrong boots on.  I recall Alex Paulsen doing so son after half time when he had the ball at his feet.  Thankfully no one near him.

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Someone mentioned that we managed to grind out the result. That usually means stout defensive work after scoring a deciding goal, doesn't it? And our defence was a bit average against an average team. 
Poor Fin Surman, who I rate highly, had a bit of an off day today - but his layoff for Ben Old for the decider was excellent, so all is forgiven.
Italiano proved a better tactician than Veart. Bringing four new players on in one clean swoop saved our game. If Veart brought Irankunda and Ibusuki on any earlier, before our changes, the outcome might have been different. 

billyspleen75

Kiwi Messi scoring 2 to beat Victory certainly helps.

2 horse race between us and CCM for 1st. And they're gonna have a bunch of Asian Cup games 

Mariners have at least two more AFC Cup games. H&A against Roy Krishana's Odisha. Home tie this week 7th March, and then away tie India 14th March. You'd think an ALM team should be too strong for an ISL team.

If CCM get past Odisha then next is a two legged tie against the winner of Abdysh-Ata Kant (Krygyzstan) verus Taichung Futuro (Taiwan). Dates 17th & 24th April. Would be a long haul to Krygyzstan.

Win that and it's the AFC Cup final against either an Oman team or a Lebanon team. And looks like either of the latter two West Asian teams will host the final.

So yes lets hope the Mariners get all the way to the AFC Cup final, with all that travelling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_AFC_Cup

Rufer said post game the Nix didn't play well today, and the travel back from Perth may have been a factor. Ain't nothing compare to what potentially awaits CCM.

Walsall Boy

To change the subject completely re Sunday:

Why do they water the pitch so much after warm ups and before play?  Especially in the first half, players were slipping a lot so though they had the wrong boots on.  I recall Alex Paulsen doing so son after half time when he had the ball at his feet.  Thankfully no one near him.

To help counteract the stickiness of the grass with passing along the deck afaik.

RR

Opta stats confirm Ben Old’s second goal on Sunday was “from a corner”, snapping WPX’s goal-less run from corners which stretched deep into their 20th game of the season. @JacobSpoonley pic.twitter.com/sa3S2gQWJB

— Jason Pine (@pineynz) March 5, 2024

 When is a corner considered to have ended?  I can't come up with a sensible set of parameters that would exclude that goal from consideration, I just don't think you draw up a corner routine that says, send it deep to Wootton who then bounces a pass to Old just inside the corner of the area for him to hit first time, and Hughes you make sure you jump out of the way to create the space 

The Opta definitions are shared here.

1 - Ben Old's goal in #WELvADL was the first Wellington Phoenix goal from a corner in the A-League Men in over a year (Zawada vs Mariners in February 2023). Flag. pic.twitter.com/wBnA3HJznM

— OptaJason (@OptaJason) March 5, 2024

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

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martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

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JUSTSAYING

martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

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how's that gonna work? can't officially complete an overseas transfer until he turns 18 (unless they can prove he moved overseas for familial/circumstantial reasons), and the first transfer window following that is January 2026

mrsmiis

JUSTSAYING

martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

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how's that gonna work? can't officially complete an overseas transfer until he turns 18 (unless they can prove he moved overseas for familial/circumstantial reasons), and the first transfer window following that is January 2026

He could possibly play in Brazil.

ClubOranje

mrsmiis

JUSTSAYING

martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

image.png 304.67 KB

how's that gonna work? can't officially complete an overseas transfer until he turns 18 (unless they can prove he moved overseas for familial/circumstantial reasons), and the first transfer window following that is January 2026

He could possibly play in Brazil.

i'll need to check up on the legality of that (think the fact that he's crossing an international border for footballing purposes still matters, even if he has the prerequisite citizenship), but how cool would that be! 

Stamenic was approached by Flamengo after the U17 World Cup, but if I'm right we've never had a top prospect contracted to a Brasileirão club. Emman Rahimi (now with Eastern Suburbs) spent an extended period at Corinthians in 2012, when he was 14-ish, but wasn't contracted

mrsmiis

ClubOranje

mrsmiis

JUSTSAYING

martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

image.png 304.67 KB

how's that gonna work? can't officially complete an overseas transfer until he turns 18 (unless they can prove he moved overseas for familial/circumstantial reasons), and the first transfer window following that is January 2026

He could possibly play in Brazil.

i'll need to check up on the legality of that (think the fact that he's crossing an international border for footballing purposes still matters, even if he has the prerequisite citizenship), but how cool would that be! 

Stamenic was approached by Flamengo after the U17 World Cup, but if I'm right we've never had a top prospect contracted to a Brasileirão club. Emman Rahimi (now with Eastern Suburbs) spent an extended period at Corinthians in 2012, when he was 14-ish, but wasn't contracted

Am I missing something? Why would that be cool? Nix lose a highly rated prospect for essentially nada? Genuine question, not having a go.

WanderingSheep

mrsmiis

ClubOranje

mrsmiis

JUSTSAYING

martinb

I remember rumours about this slight fellow Old being quite good. 

Now there’s a rustle or two about Sloan-Rodrigues. 

Deliver and take it home the attack! The defense has carried you enough this season!

Not going to be around post June/July. His agent/parents see his future overseas.

image.png 304.67 KB

how's that gonna work? can't officially complete an overseas transfer until he turns 18 (unless they can prove he moved overseas for familial/circumstantial reasons), and the first transfer window following that is January 2026

He could possibly play in Brazil.

i'll need to check up on the legality of that (think the fact that he's crossing an international border for footballing purposes still matters, even if he has the prerequisite citizenship), but how cool would that be! 

Stamenic was approached by Flamengo after the U17 World Cup, but if I'm right we've never had a top prospect contracted to a Brasileirão club. Emman Rahimi (now with Eastern Suburbs) spent an extended period at Corinthians in 2012, when he was 14-ish, but wasn't contracted

Am I missing something? Why would that be cool? Nix lose a highly rated prospect for essentially nada? Genuine question, not having a go.

i’m first and foremost a New Zealand football fan and this is an incredibly interesting move. I’d love to keep him ideally but if he’s set on leaving, as has been suggested, Brazil is a very ‘cool’, bespoke destination

Neat little article here from football journalist Michael Burgess
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/wellington-phoenix-what-its-like-watching-an-a-league-match-with-the-yellow-fever/532AJEC4VZH2HI24A4BCDDOG64/