All Whites vs Socceroos | Tues 9th Sept | 7:00pm | Go Media Stadium (Auckland)
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It is well known and confirmed by many players that clubs often “invent” or exaggerate niggles to prevent players going on international duty. Doesn’t happen much now because most of the European games are not friendlies like they used to be. The majority of their games are European Championship or World Cup qualification games, we probably have a higher number of friendlies. Can you cite a whole lot of times FIFA has censured clubs for not releasing players?
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Well that isn't true. The clubs have to release players for international windows. FIFA rules. Clubs do not have discretion.
Look, whatever you guys want to believe, there is no rule, written or otherwise, that says it would be inappropriate to start Boxall again because some may perceive that Finn Surman is of a similar quality. Baze can do that if he wants and it won't cause some sort of scandal or diplomatic incident. It is the international window and clubs don't call the shots, even though it seems like you guys want it to be that way, for some reason?
Cut back on the drinking I would suggestimanixsupporter
Look, whatever you guys want to believe, there is no rule, written or otherwise, that says it would be inappropriate to start Boxall again because some may perceive that Finn Surman is of a similar quality. Baze can do that if he wants and it won't cause some sort of scandal or diplomatic incident. It is the international window and clubs don't call the shots, even though it seems like you guys want it to be that way, for some reason?
Cut back on the drinking I would suggestimanixsupporter
Look, whatever you guys want to believe, there is no rule, written or otherwise, that says it would be inappropriate to start Boxall again because some may perceive that Finn Surman is of a similar quality. Baze can do that if he wants and it won't cause some sort of scandal or diplomatic incident. It is the international window and clubs don't call the shots, even though it seems like you guys want it to be that way, for some reason?
For the plane nerds, yesterday an Air NZ A321 ZK-NNI operated Auckland-Canberra-Auckland as NZ6005-NZ1966.
a) NZF must have a bit of coin to pay for this charter, most noticeably that it operated empty to Canberra rather than to SYD or MEL first.
b) was the Australia team on the same flight? How were seats arranged, us at the front, them at the back, or them on the left in the sun and us on the right in the shade?
c) nice try from Air NZ with the 1966 flight number, but NZ1982 or NZ2010 might have better!
I believe the costs were split between the two federations; Australia at the front, New Zealand at the back. Worth it for them when it comes to logistics/making travel as smooth as possible.
100% on the logistics - my Canberra-Melbourne flight on Saturday was delayed an hour so I was pushing it to make my Auckland connection, and the one before mine was cancelled altogether. Imagine the teams with all their support staff and gear having to deal with that sort of chaos!
Look, whatever you guys want to believe, there is no rule, written or otherwise, that says it would be inappropriate to start Boxall again because some may perceive that Finn Surman is of a similar quality. Baze can do that if he wants and it won't cause some sort of scandal or diplomatic incident. It is the international window and clubs don't call the shots, even though it seems like you guys want it to be that way, for some reason?
You're crashing out because of a little speculation, bud. 90% of the forum chat is speculation. People were speculating as to whether Boxall would be rested, and then discussing reasons why, logically, that could be the case - None of us really know what Baze will do on Tuesday, we're just all here because we love talking about footy. Maybe he does start Boxall for a full 90.
Lately you've hijacked so many discussions across a bunch of the forum posts and somehow turned them into vitriolic arguments. Just chill out and have a yarn, it's genuinely ruining so many of the threads on this forum
I am really curious as to how Popa reacts to the last game. No doubt he will have learned heaps about his own players and how our team performed. Will he counter the pressing? Will he start with his super subs?
Jazzy Jeff, I sincerely want to know which of my comments in this thread is vitriolic. Actually read my words. Simple disagreement is not vitriol. Heaps of people telling me I have no clue, can't wrap my head around things, suggesting I have a drinking problem etc, am I really the vitriolic one?
Edit: but I'll take what you say on board, I don't want to be ruining this place for people
For an international fixture, that is under FIFA, eg a World Cup qualifier, then clubs definitely have to release and the coach can make use of that player for however long and in whatever position he likes.
For a friendly, there would be more liaison for sure.
I read your posts and appreciate your insights Its ok to disagree, you could be more charitable in doing so.
. imanixsupporter
Jazzy Jeff, I sincerely want to know which of my comments in this thread is vitriolic. Actually read my words. Simple disagreement is not vitriol. Heaps of people telling me I have no clue, can't wrap my head around things, suggesting I have a drinking problem etc, am I really the vitriolic one?
Edit: but I'll take what you say on board, I don't want to be ruining this place for people
I am really curious as to how Popa reacts to the last game. No doubt he will have learned heaps about his own players and how our team performed. Will he counter the pressing? Will he start with his super subs?
He'll make changes for sure. I don't think we will dominate the midfield again like we did in that first half. Poppa will have a plan for that now. O'Neill & Miller who both came on at HT will likely start. Maybe Irankunda and maybe Balard. Might even chuck Gauci in goal.
The tenor of the Socceroos fans to Tony Popovic’s starting XI was essentially that he’d picked the best squad possible then selected the worst team from it.
But it did allow him to make a triple substitution which introduced Nestory Irankunda, Mohamed Toure and Nicolas Milanovic, with match-winner Balard following shortly after as the hosts grabbed the upper hand very late on.
Well that isn't true. The clubs have to release players for international windows. FIFA rules. Clubs do not have discretion.
Yes the players were released for the window game/games, but key players minutes will be managed according to their individual needs and situation. The reason is that everyone (everyone who gets paid to watch football from the sidelines) understands that nothing commercially significant is riding on a result of a couple of friendlies (which is what "Soccer Ashes" are). These ain't WC qualifiers against top grade teams. I clearly remember a very feisty Australia-New Zealand game shortly before Australia was to go off to the World Cup (apology but I do not remember which one). Their team management was rightly livid at the high-level physicality from the AWs; they were concerned some of the Australian players' could have gotten injured in that friendly and would at worst miss the WC tournament or even just as much affect their playing form in the WC if they had to recover. What we are talking about here regarding managing Thomas or Woods or Boxall minutes comes from exactly the same place of concern regarding bigger objectives, both short term and long term, for the players.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
If we talking about the AWs verus Socceroos game at the MCG in 2010, it should be the AWs staff who were livid post match. Was it Cahill with some nasty challenges on Bertos & Tim Brown? Brown basically then out of the WC
Actually Smeltz was an analyst alongisde Archie Thompson on the Aussie TV feed. He said he expected more physicality in the Canberra game, FDV's bad tackle on Silvera aside. I was really hoping he was going to bring up that 2010 game, but he didn't.
Sigmund caught one the Socceroos badly at the Adelaide Oval in 2011 from memory, so all swings & roundabouts.
But I think everyone knows FDV ain't a dirty player, it being just a very clumsy challenge. Lucky to stay on the field though.
If we talking about the AWs verus Socceroos game at the MCG in 2010, it should be the AWs staff who were livid post match. Was it Cahill with some nasty challenges on Bertos & Tim Brown? Brown basically then out of the WC
Actually Smeltz was an analyst alongisde Archie Thompson on the Aussie TV feed. He said he expected more physicality in the Canberra game, FDV's bad tackle on Silvera aside. I was really hoping he was going to bring up that 2010 game, but he didn't.
Sigmund caught one the Socceroos badly at the Adelaide Oval in 2011 from memory, so all swings & roundabouts.
My memory was Grella jumped into a two footed challenge on Bertos and didn’t get a red. And Brown tried to retaliate and hurt himself trying to tackle someone!
If we talking about the AWs verus Socceroos game at the MCG in 2010, it should be the AWs staff who were livid post match. Was it Cahill with some nasty challenges on Bertos & Tim Brown? Brown basically then out of the WC
Actually Smeltz was an analyst alongisde Archie Thompson on the Aussie TV feed. He said he expected more physicality in the Canberra game, FDV's bad tackle on Silvera aside. I was really hoping he was going to bring up that 2010 game, but he didn't.
Sigmund caught one the Socceroos badly at the Adelaide Oval in 2011 from memory, so all swings & roundabouts.
But I think everyone knows FDV ain't a dirty player, it being just a very clumsy challenge. Lucky to stay on the field though.
Robbie Kruse wasn't it? The Sigmund challenge that is.
Regarding de Vries, I wonder if some of that clumsiness and the foul he was carded for came from his less than ideal physical condition. We are in the off-season and he was probably unable to keep up, later in the game. The foul itself may have been unintentional but a rising fatigue leads to errors.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Quite possibly, though the foul was in the first half?
He was one of the AWs less impressive starting players, and I think he showed more in 15 mins against Ukraine (when yes well conditioned post a full ALM season) than in 60+ mins in Canberra. None of AWs A League players did that well. But can't be too harsh on them, as yes still in pre season. Once Libby is back, being a super sub maybe FDV's role.
I wouldn't mind seeing McGarry start if De Vries's knee is a bit dodgy. Watched Jimmy Mc in a preseason game for the Roar (against yes an average looking CCM). He scored a goal and was one of the Roar's best. Got a few games in the Greek top flight earlier this year, but his team got relegated.
Always a chance that he may actually return to the ALM, an improved player from his overseas jaunt. Trying to be optimistic. The big necessary workon of course being his defence.
Howdy, we are travelling up to akld for the game. Is there any plan or place to meet pre game? Looking on google maps it looks like a food desert. Any suggestions appreciated 😎
The All Whites have a "second chance" to knock off their trans-Tasman rivals in the deciding Soccer Ashes clash in Auckland but captain Chris Wood says the hosts will need to raise their performance by "10 percent" if they are to beat Australia for the first time since 2002.
With all due respect to the Woodsman, an extra 10% of 0 is still 0.
Watching Woodsman talk post the Canberra game I sense he will be determined to break his Socceroos duck. Fingers crossed
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After the game on Friday I asked Chris Wood if he reckons he can score a brace in Auckland and he replied "I should've got a brace tonight to be fair" - so yeah I think he was a bit annoyed at himself, and will surely be pretty motivated to do it in front of the home fans tomorrow!
How many tickets have been sold? Reading the Oz forum, it has been mentioned that only 7,000 so far!! Personally, I will be watching at home here in Taupo, by the time I get home and getting up early tomorrow will be too much for this " middle " aged person. And before anyone gets on the band wagon about not being a real supporter, I follow the team in the 82 campaign, going to all the games except the away at Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Being spat on at Jakarta, abused in Taiwan, and roughed up at the SCG, if that's not a Supporter what is?? But the ultimate was being in the National Stadium in Singapore, where I couldn't wave my NZ scarf , it was political, but when China scored all these Chineses flags appeared out of nowhere and the cops didn't do a thing about that.
A lot will depend on Poppa's tactics. I would expect he wants to improve on what his team did all first half, otherwise they would get smashed by any decent team at the WC finals. He may want to introduce the speedsters earlier on, while the rest of his team still have the legs to run alongside them, as in Canberra he left that till very late. In a sense, they were lucky to win that game, while we have only ourselves to blame for insufficient firepower, and the uncharacteristic two misses by Wood.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
I’m going to the game tonight but it’s an absolute bollocking of a price for an international friendly.
$86 for an adult!?! $43 for a child is stonking.
Wouldn’t be surprised if there is no more than 10k there considering the prices and it being a Tuesday evening. Taupoboy
How many tickets have been sold? Reading the Oz forum, it has been mentioned that only 7,000 so far!! Personally, I will be watching at home here in Taupo, by the time I get home and getting up early tomorrow will be too much for this " middle " aged person. And before anyone gets on the band wagon about not being a real supporter, I follow the team in the 82 campaign, going to all the games except the away at Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Being spat on at Jakarta, abused in Taiwan, and roughed up at the SCG, if that's not a Supporter what is?? But the ultimate was being in the National Stadium in Singapore, where I couldn't wave my NZ scarf , it was political, but when China scored all these Chineses flags appeared out of nowhere and the cops didn't do a thing about that.
I’m going to the game tonight but it’s an absolute bollocking of a price for an international friendly.
$86 for an adult!?! $43 for a child is stonking.
Wouldn’t be surprised if there is no more than 10k there considering the prices and it being a Tuesday evening. Taupoboy
How many tickets have been sold? Reading the Oz forum, it has been mentioned that only 7,000 so far!! Personally, I will be watching at home here in Taupo, by the time I get home and getting up early tomorrow will be too much for this " middle " aged person. And before anyone gets on the band wagon about not being a real supporter, I follow the team in the 82 campaign, going to all the games except the away at Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Being spat on at Jakarta, abused in Taiwan, and roughed up at the SCG, if that's not a Supporter what is?? But the ultimate was being in the National Stadium in Singapore, where I couldn't wave my NZ scarf , it was political, but when China scored all these Chineses flags appeared out of nowhere and the cops didn't do a thing about that.
NZ Football have set expectations at around 20,000 and from what I have seen on Ticketek that seems accurate.
Insane that they’ve cranked the price up so much compared to earlier on (adult presale was $26 plus fees).
If sales really have been that poor you’d think they’d be discounting tickets as a sweetener - although maybe the fact they’ve opened up another active support bay means the numbers are better than rumoured?
