All Whites vs Socceroos | Tues 9th Sept | 7:00pm | Go Media Stadium (Auckland)

coochiee

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I’m kinda curious to know if anyone who registered got the email - when I filled in the form and clicked Submit it went straight back to the homepage with no confirmation things had worked, so I still don’t know if I’m part of the Whānau or not.

Yes I am registered from way back and got the email yesterday without having done anything to sign up for it again, but it went to my "Promotions" folder (I use gmail)

coochiee

It would serve no real purpose and probably lose money. The ALM clubs and coaches highly likely dead against it

Even the NRL can’t organise a regular ANZAC Kangaroos v Kiwis test match. And their code has all the best players down under

A Nix and Auckland double header against 2 Aussie clubs at one venue, on a rotation basis an alternative idea

Surely Nix vs Auckland FC would be tastier and the idea of rivalries, state of origin or national teams? Do clubs have freedom to organise their own events in preseason?

TheFlyingKiwis

coochiee

It would serve no real purpose and probably lose money. The ALM clubs and coaches highly likely dead against it

Even the NRL can’t organise a regular ANZAC Kangaroos v Kiwis test match. And their code has all the best players down under

A Nix and Auckland double header against 2 Aussie clubs at one venue, on a rotation basis an alternative idea

Surely Nix vs Auckland FC would be tastier and the idea of rivalries, state of origin or national teams? Do clubs have freedom to organise their own events in preseason?

Friendlies between rivals should never be played.

Buffon II

TheFlyingKiwis

coochiee

It would serve no real purpose and probably lose money. The ALM clubs and coaches highly likely dead against it

Even the NRL can’t organise a regular ANZAC Kangaroos v Kiwis test match. And their code has all the best players down under

A Nix and Auckland double header against 2 Aussie clubs at one venue, on a rotation basis an alternative idea

Surely Nix vs Auckland FC would be tastier and the idea of rivalries, state of origin or national teams? Do clubs have freedom to organise their own events in preseason?

Friendlies between rivals should never be played.

Cancel the Socceroos game then? Shouldn't need a competition to play for, or any more motivation than the enemy themselves, that is the derby. Regardless of league status or position, if it's a cup game or not, it's always a derby if it's a derby.

Air NZ has a domestic sale on until midnight 2nd July, Welly/Auckland flights from $69 per person.

TheFlyingKiwis

Buffon II

TheFlyingKiwis

coochiee

It would serve no real purpose and probably lose money. The ALM clubs and coaches highly likely dead against it

Even the NRL can’t organise a regular ANZAC Kangaroos v Kiwis test match. And their code has all the best players down under

A Nix and Auckland double header against 2 Aussie clubs at one venue, on a rotation basis an alternative idea

Surely Nix vs Auckland FC would be tastier and the idea of rivalries, state of origin or national teams? Do clubs have freedom to organise their own events in preseason?

Friendlies between rivals should never be played.

Cancel the Socceroos game then? Shouldn't need a competition to play for, or any more motivation than the enemy themselves, that is the derby. Regardless of league status or position, if it's a cup game or not, it's always a derby if it's a derby.

Not wanting to drag this thread too far off topic, but from today's men's first team update:

Will we have more pre-season games in New Zealand?

We play a number of pre-season games in New Zealand as far as the Central League opposition. Now that Auckland’s had their season in the league and we’ve already played them three times we do want to have a couple of games with them in pre-season. I need to set up a call with Terry [McFlynn] (Auckland FC director of football) to have a chat with him about that and what that might look like based on their schedule and our schedule.

Not sure how the timing would look around the AW games and U20s, but potentially something to look forward to.

I feel a wee bit of payback being handed out here. C'mon you Whites.

Like I said in the other thread, we now also got to get a result for Banzai!

How's the crowd looking?

Given our goalless and winless streaks against them I personally would be over the moon with even a 1-1 draw. I am expecting nothing because of how badly we got burnt at Eden Park in 2022.

Marto

I feel a wee bit of payback being handed out here. C'mon you Whites.

Hopefully Thomas can start again. 

I'd start this team in Auckland:

Crocombe
Elliott Bindon Boxall McGarry
Thomas Bell
Rogerson Singh Just
Wood

Payne didn't do enough to keep his place, even though I still think he is the better choice when fully fit and playing his best. Apart from red card worthy challenge FdV was fine and doesn't deserve to be dropped but with that knee complaint we may as well get a good look at Jimmy. Keeping the same CBs for some defensive continuity, harsh on Surman but neither deserve to be dropped, Boxall in particular looking the best I have ever seen him.

Rogerson deserves a chance for his form last season for AFC. Knack for goal, solid technically, and always seems to make the right decision on and off the ball. McCowatt doesn't necessarily deserve to be dropped, looked better last night than in previous windows, but he is the guy to make way of you have to pick one.

Rest of the team picks itself. 

Surman will start, you don't fly him all the way from the States not to.
Boxy on the other hand is 37, and it's getting near the business end of the MLS regular season, when he flies all the way back to the Twin Cities.

The Minny coach would be livid if Boxy isn't rested for a friendly, knowing Surman is also there in NZ. Nothing between the two of them anyway.

Has Rogerson done much in preseason with Auckland? That's what I'd be looking at rather than what he did last season. Most of the ALM guys coming on last night, were a significant step down. As others have mentioned, them still being in early season mode doesn't help.

Could Just go to the right flank, and Old start on the left?

I really don't rate Elliott. There is a reason he's failed twice overseas. No way I think should he start. Poppa will know his limitations very well, he had him in Greece for 12 mths, without a minute of playing time. It was an odd signing at the time.

Poppa also with some interesting selection picks. His starting 11 were mostly pretty established guys, but the likes of Hrustic and Boyle were very average. Toure, Balard, Irankunda etc coming on definitely added something. But how much was that them, compared to the inferior AWs subs coming on, plus Baze taking off a midfielder and going 3 CBs?

I don't rate Elliot defensively either, but I think he has improved in that side of his game since his Nix days. It is more that Payne didn't do quite well enough to keep his place for me. I want to see players making themselves undroppable. 

With regard to Boxall and Surman, it is an international window, what club coaches think means nothing. It is possible that Baze sees Bindon and Boxall as his WC CB pair for now and if so it makes sense to keep building that partnership. Can bring on Surman earlier in the second half if Boxall is feeling like it might be too much to play the full 90. 

Lol. I was talking about F DV potential defensive issues beforehand and we kept the ball for 35 minutes so he didn’t have to do any defending! Just one or two touch the ball around. 

With regard to Boxall and Surman, it is an international window, what club coaches think means nothing.

Man you really have no idea.

What about when Baze wants to get his AWs squad together next year, one week before the FIFA official WC window starts, for some valuable extra prep. But with the 2026 MLS season in full swing Minny’s coach says fudge off, I’m not releasing Boxall until I have to. We owe you nothing. He came back to us last September tired heading into a crucial part of our MLS season and it cost us etc etc.

And what’s the point of putting any players in a potentially ‘piggy in the middle’ bad energy spat. Just for a friendly when in the example case of Surman and Boxy you have one high quality CB likely replacing another 


Edit - There are 30 teams in the MLS. With salary caps, new teams coming in etc it's bloody hard to win the MLS Cup. Clubs tend to have a small window, where they are near the top before falling away as quality players finish up. There have been 8 different winners in the last 10 years. Minny are 2nd in the West, this maybe their best every chance to be crowned champions. Their window, their big chance. Captain Boxall a crucial part of that. They definitely don't want him to play 180 mins in 5 days plus travel.

I mean you can invent whatever hypothetical story that may or may not happen to bolster your argument, I don't care. International windows are for internationals, clubs need to learn to deal with it. 

Coochie is talking about reality.

imanixsupporter

I mean you can invent whatever hypothetical story that may or may not happen to bolster your argument, I don't care. International windows are for internationals, clubs need to learn to deal with it. 

coochiee

Surman will start, you don't fly him all the way from the States not to.
Boxy on the other hand is 37, and it's getting near the business end of the MLS regular season, when he flies all the way back to the Twin Cities.

The Minny coach would be livid if Boxy isn't rested for a friendly, knowing Surman is also there in NZ. Nothing between the two of them anyway.

Has Rogerson done much in preseason with Auckland? That's what I'd be looking at rather than what he did last season. Most of the ALM guys coming on last night, were a significant step down. As others have mentioned, them still being in early season mode doesn't help.

Could Just go to the right flank, and Old start on the left?

I really don't rate Elliott. There is a reason he's failed twice overseas. No way I think should he start. Poppa will know his limitations very well, he had him in Greece for 12 mths, without a minute of playing time. It was an odd signing at the time.

Poppa also with some interesting selection picks. His starting 11 were mostly pretty established guys, but the likes of Hrustic and Boyle were very average. Toure, Balard, Irankunda etc coming on definitely added something. But how much was that them, compared to the inferior AWs subs coming on, plus Baze taking off a midfielder and going 3 CBs?

Yeah fully agree that Surman will start, and that Boxall will get rested, makes sense to manage his minutes at his age, and insure come World Cup time he is ready to go.
I use to really rate Elliot it’s just unfortunate he hasn’t managed to kick on yet, I’d personally stay with Payne at RB if he’s injury free, and I’d like to see McG to start ahead of FDV, although I was super critical of him I do think FDV is probably better coming off the bench when opponents legs are tired and he can offer more then

Does LBS debut?

BrockieTheGOAT

Does LBS debut?

Hard to envisage it unless we are up by 2 goals or down by 2 goals late on

imanixsupporter

I mean you can invent whatever hypothetical story that may or may not happen to bolster your argument, I don't care. International windows are for internationals, clubs need to learn to deal with it. 

 You really have a lot to learn don't you.

Thousands of players all over the world go on international breaks and play 2x 90 minutes every international window, I don't know why a bunch of people on here think it is something that just cannot be done. And so what if our games are "friendlies", we don't have the luxury of dozens of high quality competitive games every World Cup cycle, we need to take our games seriously.

If Boxall's body can't handle the loading then fine, but if he can and he is considered one of our best two CBs then Baze should be able to start him without it being considered a problem, it is really bizarre that you people think it would or should be. 

Also - is it on principle important that we lessen the chances of us getting an important win against Australia because Minnesota winning a club competition is more important? I honestly think you guys need to reflect on how you prioritise things. 

imanixsupporter

Thousands of players all over the world go on international breaks and play 2x 90 minutes every international window, I don't know why a bunch of people on here think it is something that just cannot be done. And so what if our games are "friendlies", we don't have the luxury of dozens of high quality competitive games every World Cup cycle, we need to take our games seriously.

If Boxall's body can't handle the loading then fine, but if he can and he is considered one of our best two CBs then Baze should be able to start him without it being considered a problem, it is really bizarre that you people think it would or should be. 

Also - is it on principle important that we lessen the chances of us getting an important win against Australia because Minnesota winning a club competition is more important? I honestly think you guys need to reflect on how you prioritise things. 

I'm baffled you can't wrap your head around the fact that clubs have a relationship with the national teams of respective players. Of course clubs are going to talk to the national teams and ask for/recommend agreements on minutes - it's their club doctors and physios who know the players better than anyone, and equally it's their pockets who are paying the wages of the players every week. 

You seem to think managing minutes is somehow Baze being subservient to player's club sides. The All Whites camp and the player's club BOTH do not want a player getting injured at the start of the season, and less than 12 months out from the world cup - it's in both party's interests to prioritise caution.

Also, there's the blindingly obvious context of specific player's situations - Thomas and Singh already have histories of being rather injury prone, Wood always seems to pick up an injury on all whites duty (which the Forest will definitely be aware), Boxall is aging like fine wine but in footballing terms is still geriatric. And then added on to all that, theres no other national team squad on Earth that has to fly as far as ours does, as frequently as we do, which absolutely can negatively affect players.

imanixsupporter

Thousands of players all over the world go on international breaks and play 2x 90 minutes every international window, I don't know why a bunch of people on here think it is something that just cannot be done. And so what if our games are "friendlies", we don't have the luxury of dozens of high quality competitive games every World Cup cycle, we need to take our games seriously.

If Boxall's body can't handle the loading then fine, but if he can and he is considered one of our best two CBs then Baze should be able to start him without it being considered a problem, it is really bizarre that you people think it would or should be. 

Also - is it on principle important that we lessen the chances of us getting an important win against Australia because Minnesota winning a club competition is more important? I honestly think you guys need to reflect on how you prioritise things. 

Who pays their salaries?

I understand all these things - but none of these things make starting Boxall on Tuesday an absolute non-starter, which several people seem to think it would be.

Edit: Chris Wood is going to be starting (his comments on Piney's show today suggested it is all but certain) so why can't Boxall? 

coochiee

With regard to Boxall and Surman, it is an international window, what club coaches think means nothing.

Man you really have no idea.

What about when Baze wants to get his AWs squad together next year, one week before the FIFA official WC window starts, for some valuable extra prep. But with the 2026 MLS season in full swing Minny’s coach says fudge off, I’m not releasing Boxall until I have to. We owe you nothing. He came back to us last September tired heading into a crucial part of our MLS season and it cost us etc etc.

And what’s the point of putting any players in a potentially ‘piggy in the middle’ bad energy spat. Just for a friendly when in the example case of Surman and Boxy you have one high quality CB likely replacing another 


Edit - There are 30 teams in the MLS. With salary caps, new teams coming in etc it's bloody hard to win the MLS Cup. Clubs tend to have a small window, where they are near the top before falling away as quality players finish up. There have been 8 different winners in the last 10 years. Minny are 2nd in the West, this maybe their best every chance to be crowned champions. Their window, their big chance. Captain Boxall a crucial part of that. They definitely don't want him to play 180 mins in 5 days plus travel.

Same people firing shots at Baze because Wood, Singh and Thomas got subbed off, but would have been livid if they played 90 then couldnt start in front of home crowd in Auckland.

You can't expect all our players to travel to the other side of the world and back and play 90 minutes most game. Especially not midfielders or our elite EPL striker.

ImaNixfan- you’ve turned your contrarianism up to 11. Are you sure you’re okay mate? 

The dance between players, clubs and international teams happens everywhere. It’s less of a drama if you’re traveling 90km on a team bus, than if you’re circumnavigating the world in a pressurised metal tube, which is rough on the body even if you haven’t played a football international. 

As well any team with games Friday and Tuesday is likely to rest or manage players in any case as that’s not a lot of recovery time. Often with a light or highly limited training schedule in between and limited minutes, depending on the importance of the game. 

I remember when we did have that cup run with Uffie the players commented how great it was to have more games and fewer gym sessions or some such. 

imanixsupporter

I understand all these things - but none of these things make starting Boxall on Tuesday an absolute non-starter, which several people seem to think it would be.

Edit: Chris Wood is going to be starting (his comments on Piney's show today suggested it is all but certain) so why can't Boxall? 

Sweet Jesus

It’s not that 37 yr Boxall can’t it’s just why would when you have Finn Surman right there. Surman was MOTM against Ivory Coast from memory. He’s had an immense season in the MLS. Captain of Portland at 21. 

It’s no comparison to 33 yr old Wood who sadly has no backup anywhere near his quality. Really how fudgeing hard is it to see that

Howdy, we are travelling up to akld for the game. Is there any plan or place to meet pre game? Looking on google maps it looks like a food desert. Any suggestions appreciated 😎

For the plane nerds, yesterday an Air NZ A321 ZK-NNI operated Auckland-Canberra-Auckland as NZ6005-NZ1966.

a) NZF must have a bit of coin to pay for this charter, most noticeably that it operated empty to Canberra rather than to SYD or MEL first.

b) was the Australia team on the same flight?  How were seats arranged, us at the front, them at the back, or them on the left in the sun and us on the right in the shade?

c) nice try from Air NZ with the 1966 flight number, but NZ1982 or NZ2010 might have better!   

imanixsupporter

I mean you can invent whatever hypothetical story that may or may not happen to bolster your argument, I don't care. International windows are for internationals, clubs need to learn to deal with it. 

Except, andI'm sure you know this, the clubs "own" the players and will often issue to the international managers recommended maximum minutes foir their players - Baze and co can choose to ignore this of course but if they do it too often then your international stars wont be released for international windows.

Well that isn't true. The clubs have to release players for international windows. FIFA rules. Clubs do not have discretion. 

Australians were on the same plane to NZ. 

reubee

For the plane nerds, yesterday an Air NZ A321 ZK-NNI operated Auckland-Canberra-Auckland as NZ6005-NZ1966.

a) NZF must have a bit of coin to pay for this charter, most noticeably that it operated empty to Canberra rather than to SYD or MEL first.

b) was the Australia team on the same flight?  How were seats arranged, us at the front, them at the back, or them on the left in the sun and us on the right in the shade?

c) nice try from Air NZ with the 1966 flight number, but NZ1982 or NZ2010 might have better!   

Robin

Howdy, we are travelling up to akld for the game. Is there any plan or place to meet pre game? Looking on google maps it looks like a food desert. Any suggestions appreciated 😎

The prematch pub will be Lilyworld from 4pm

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reubee

For the plane nerds, yesterday an Air NZ A321 ZK-NNI operated Auckland-Canberra-Auckland as NZ6005-NZ1966.

a) NZF must have a bit of coin to pay for this charter, most noticeably that it operated empty to Canberra rather than to SYD or MEL first.

b) was the Australia team on the same flight?  How were seats arranged, us at the front, them at the back, or them on the left in the sun and us on the right in the shade?

c) nice try from Air NZ with the 1966 flight number, but NZ1982 or NZ2010 might have better!   

I believe the costs were split between the two federations; Australia at the front, New Zealand at the back. Worth it for them when it comes to logistics/making travel as smooth as possible.

First Flying Officer Travolta?

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