Well if Marco was my client I wouldn't be advising him to test this statute because my interpreation of the wording is that "an official competition" is basically a game which has fifas blessing.
The chap who quoted the example of an Italian playing a friendly for Germany and the next week playing for Italy essentially has answered his question.
FIFA whilst corrupt, have some bright people there and they would not allow that to happen
AucklandPhoenix2011-03-04 21:22:56
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can't help myself but...
So is that a legal opinion MR A. Enix?
So is that a legal opinion MR A. Enix?
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It is a mixture of legal interpreation, the fact no precedents exist (apart from this Italian/German no one can name) but above all:
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
Auckland will rise once more
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It is a mixture of legal interpreation, the fact no precedents exist (apart from this Italian/German no one can name) but above all:
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
Mate, take a minute and read the rules. If Marco is elegable to play for both Chile and NZ, then he can switch nations as long as he hasn't played in a FIFA sanctioned Competition for the other nation. Friendlies are not competitions regardless of their "A" status. Competitions are WC games including qualifiers, confederation competitions UEFA Cup, OFC Nations Cup, African Cup of Nations etc. Confederations Cup and probably Olympics but not sure about that one.common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
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probably olympics????? you mean you dont know????
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It is a mixture of legal interpreation, the fact no precedents exist (apart from this Italian/German no one can name) but above all:
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
Remind me again who you work for? Because I would like to stay well away from that company.
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Well if Marco was my client I wouldn't be advising him to test this statute because my interpreation of the wording is that "an official competition" is basically a game which has fifas blessing.
The chap who quoted the example of an Italian playing a friendly for Germany and the next week playing for Italy essentially has answered his question.
FIFA whilst corrupt, have some bright people there and they would not allow that to happen
The chap who quoted the example of an Italian playing a friendly for Germany and the next week playing for Italy essentially has answered his question.
FIFA whilst corrupt, have some bright people there and they would not allow that to happen
an Official competition is 'a competition for representative teams organised by FIFA or any Confederation'.
A friendly is not organised by FIFA or a confederation. It is organised by the nations involved.
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is rojas good enough for chile?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Well if Marco was my client I wouldn't be advising him to test this statute because my interpreation of the wording is that "an official competition" is basically a game which has fifas blessing.
The chap who quoted the example of an Italian playing a friendly for Germany and the next week playing for Italy essentially has answered his question.
FIFA whilst corrupt, have some bright people there and they would not allow that to happen
an Official competition is 'a competition for representative teams organised by FIFA or any Confederation'.A friendly is not organised by FIFA or a confederation.� It is organised by the nations involved.
The chap who quoted the example of an Italian playing a friendly for Germany and the next week playing for Italy essentially has answered his question.
FIFA whilst corrupt, have some bright people there and they would not allow that to happen
Now can you give it a rest AP?TopLeft072011-03-04 23:37:44
Fuck this stupid game
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I mean it stands to reason, your honour, it's the rule of human decency, common sense and logic, it's the vibe, it's Maabo and no, that's it, that's it, it's the vibe.
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Some bizarre selections and omissions there All Whites believer.
Jake Gleeson
Marco Rojas
Kosta Barbarouses
Might as well vivid these three on the squad list already.
Also, you realize Michael Boxall is a centerback right?
Jake Gleeson
Marco Rojas
Kosta Barbarouses
Might as well vivid these three on the squad list already.
Also, you realize Michael Boxall is a centerback right?
Maybe I have misunderstood your post but on the contary I think Gleeson is a great selection for the future and Kosta has proven what the guy can do if given a chance while for mine Rojas needs more time......
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Some bizarre selections and omissions there All Whites believer.
Jake Gleeson
Marco Rojas
Kosta Barbarouses
Might as well vivid these three on the squad list already.
Also, you realize Michael Boxall is a centerback right?
Jake Gleeson
Marco Rojas
Kosta Barbarouses
Might as well vivid these three on the squad list already.
Also, you realize Michael Boxall is a centerback right?
Maybe I have misunderstood your post but on the contary I think Gleeson is a great selection for the future and Kosta has proven what the guy can do if given a chance while for mine Rojas needs more time......
Gleeson hasn't played a game of professional football...not sure why we should not include Marco when you're advocating for Gleeson
Normo's coming home
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Its funny how you guys say that friendlies dont count when these games
also directly influence a nations ranking, so one could say they are
official? And where to FIFA explicitly state 'friendlies are excluded'?
And are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different nations?
And are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different nations?
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1. If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative teams due to nationality, he may, only once, request to change the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another country of which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
(a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition at �A� international level for his current Association, and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition for his current Association, he already had the nationality of the representative team for which he wishes to play.
(b) He is not permitted to play for his new Association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous Association.
Official competition: a competition for representative teams organised by FIFA or any Confederation.
An international �A� match is a match arranged between two Members o FIFA and for which both Members field their first representative team.
[/QUOTE]I don't quite get the confusion. Just read it. This is getting rather off topic too.
[quote=fifa]78 International matches and competitions
1. The Executive Committee shall be responsible for issuing provisions for
organising international matches and competitions between representative
teams and between League and/or club teams. No such match or competition
shall take place without the prior permission of FIFA.
2. The Executive Committee may draw up further technical provisions.
(a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition at �A� international level for his current Association, and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition for his current Association, he already had the nationality of the representative team for which he wishes to play.
(b) He is not permitted to play for his new Association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous Association.
Official competition: a competition for representative teams organised by FIFA or any Confederation.
An international �A� match is a match arranged between two Members o FIFA and for which both Members field their first representative team.
[/QUOTE]I don't quite get the confusion. Just read it. This is getting rather off topic too.
[quote=fifa]78 International matches and competitions
1. The Executive Committee shall be responsible for issuing provisions for
organising international matches and competitions between representative
teams and between League and/or club teams. No such match or competition
shall take place without the prior permission of FIFA.
2. The Executive Committee may draw up further technical provisions.
There, clearly there is a difference between matches and competitions.
timmymadden2011-03-05 07:44:16
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When is the squad for these two friendlies to be announced? Must be very soon.
according to this story next week
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4734678/Ricki-Herbert-relaxed-about-Fifas-decision
"This month the All Whites play away friendlies against China (March 25) and Japan (March 29) and Herbert said he was likely to name the squad next week.
The games are in an international window but Herbert was waiting to hear back from players' clubs before determining if everyone was available.
He would not be drawn on whether Marco Rojas, who is also eligible to play for Chile, would be picked, but there would definitely be some fresh faces in the squad."
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One would think almost every kiwi in the A-league would be selected, bar Musa I guess?
Pretty much world cup squad but a few added. Anyone know if Henderson is still injured?
Pretty much world cup squad but a few added. Anyone know if Henderson is still injured?
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Its funny how you guys say that friendlies dont count when these games
also directly influence a nations ranking, so one could say they are
official? And where to FIFA explicitly state 'friendlies are excluded'?
And are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different nations?
And are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different nations?
Honestly, I'm about to go postal.
Can't people f**king read. You may disagree with the rule, you may think it is stupid, but that doesn't make the rule what you want it to be. It is black and white.
Plus you can only change once.
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Is Jermaine Jones the example we are looking for(ger -> usa)??
and its not our lack of literacy that clouds our judgement so we dont see thing quite as black and white as you do...
and its not our lack of literacy that clouds our judgement so we dont see thing quite as black and white as you do...
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Looks like it.
Though Jones played four matches with Germany's Under 21 team, he was
often left out of the senior team, save a few friendlies with mostly
reserves. In June 2009, Jones declared to the media that he would be
available to play for the United States after it was clear to him that the German national team manager, Joachim L�w,
did not have any plans for him in the current German set-up. Jones was
eligible based on a new FIFA ruling allowing players to switch their
national teams if the player had not yet played in an official FIFA
match with the senior team despite having played at the youth level.
Jones was eligible for the United States due to his father's
nationality, which is American.[9][10] On 20 October 2009, Jones was cleared by FIFA to join the United States national team.[11] He met the U.S. national team for the first time in March 2010 and reportedly fit in "really well" according to Tim Howard.[12] In the end, Jones did not recover in time for the World Cup.
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Jones pledges allegiance to USA
Schalke midfielder Jermaine Jones has turned his back on the German national team and will in future represent the United States. The 27-year-old has made three appearances for Germany, but since all three of his caps came in friendly matches, he is still permitted to represent another nation.
As well as holding German citizenship, Jones also has a US passport and has decided to switch allegiances. He informed the German Football Association [DFB] of his decision today.
"We have accepted Jermaine Jones' decision," said Germany coach Joachim Low in a statement.
"I wish him all the best for his sporting future."
Jones played against Austria in February 2008, Belarus in May 2008 and England in November 2008, but this does not preclude him from a change. And Germany will not try to block him from appearing for the US in future.
"We have often emphasised how much we like to welcome many players with backgrounds of immigration into the Germany national team," explained team manager Oliver Bierhoff.
"This reflects the development of society in our country, but we have always emphasised that anybody who wears the DFB colours must identify with the national team and Germany.
"If a player does not see things this way, then that is his decision and we respect it."
Low recently awarded international debuts to Brazil-born striker Cacau
and Mesut Ozil, who had the option of representing Turkey. Jones'
father hails from the US, which accounts for his dual citizenship.
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1070691.html
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It is a mixture of legal interpreation, the fact no precedents exist (apart from this Italian/German no one can name) but above all:
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
common sense and logic
if someone wants to advise Marco that he can play fir the all whites one day in a friendly and for chile the next week in a friendly they are stark raving mad
I just have to ask, how does it feel to be wrong all the f**king time Mr. Lawyer?
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Some discussiom and precedents here: http://foot.ie/threads/139829-Shane-Ferguson
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yeah that was where i came across his name
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Something you all have to realise is that 2ndBest is always right. Shame on you doubters.
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See they have their AucklandPhoenix as well.
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I just have to ask, how does it feel to be wrong all the f**king time Mr. Lawyer?[/QUOTE]
To be fair, there are plenty of other people we can point the finger at. Here is a selection:
2ndBest2011-03-05 13:53:48To be fair, there are plenty of other people we can point the finger at. Here is a selection:
Absolutely incorrect if ricki selects him and he
makes it on the field, he is not eligible for anyone else. This is a
full international not a youth match[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marius Lacatus]i am so confused. i read the fifa regs that 2md best posted and i read that as confirming rojas would be committed to nz if he gets on the park bc they are A internationals.
Incorrect. Had he got on the park for Canada in those 'A' games, he
would now only be available for Canadian selection. Obviously the
manager at the time did not feel that he was good enough to play for
Canada (ala Clapham until late last year).
[QUOTE=Marius Lacatus]i am so confused. i read the fifa regs that 2md best posted and i read that as confirming rojas would be committed to nz if he gets on the park bc they are A internationals.
[QUOTE=AJ13]Its funny how you guys say that friendlies dont count when these games
also directly influence a nations ranking, so one could say they are
official? And where to FIFA explicitly state 'friendlies are excluded'?
And are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different nations?
And are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different nations?
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Does anyone know if these two matches are being shown live on Sky and what time?
Don't have Sky so will ahve to invite myself over to my neighbours
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Forum Rules:
7. Respect other posters. You may not agee with a view but a reply just insulting someone does not foster debate and makes you look foolish.
Just saying..... some moderators might need to have another read of the rules and start adhering to the ones that really count.
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Does anyone know if these two matches are being shown live on Sky and what time?
Don't have Sky so will ahve to invite myself over to my neighbours
Read somewhere that they are likely to be. Just unconfirmed at the moment.
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Forum Rules:
7. Respect other posters. You may not agee with a view but a reply just insulting someone does not foster debate and makes you look foolish.
Just saying..... some moderators might need to have another read of the rules and start adhering to the ones that really count.
Explain?
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zzzzzzzz lets talk about the squad not this sh*t
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Meh I prefer to bask in my own glory.
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Players who'll be unavailable are:
Paston
Bertos
Christie
who else?
Paston
Bertos
Christie
who else?
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Forum Rules:
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7. Respect other posters. You may not agee with a view but a reply just insulting someone does not foster debate and makes you look foolish.
�
Just saying..... some moderators might need to have another read of the rules and start adhering to the ones that really count.
Forum Rule number 99: if you say with certainty that something is black and it turns out to actually be yellow, then expect to get a bit of a sh*t.
We at YF like to reward correctness with the chance to enjoy it and discourage incorrectness with a good whipping.
Having said that, 2ndBest won, everyone else lost, now let's have some discussion about the squad please.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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So back to the Stefan Marinovic discussion?
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I just have to ask, how does it feel to be wrong all the f**king time Mr. Lawyer?[/QUOTE]
To be fair, there are plenty of other people we can point the finger at. Here is a selection:
[QUOTE=AJ13]Its funny how you guys say that friendlies dont count when these games also directly influence a nations ranking, so one could say they are official? And where to FIFA explicitly state 'friendlies are excluded'?
To be fair, there are plenty of other people we can point the finger at. Here is a selection:
[QUOTE=AJ13]Its funny how you guys say that friendlies dont count when these games also directly influence a nations ranking, so one could say they are official? And where to FIFA explicitly state 'friendlies are excluded'?
And
are you guys also saying that if a player has 20 passports and only
ever plays friendlies, he/she can legitimately play for 20 different
nations?
Get off your f**king high horse, i asked a couple of questions, thats all.
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