All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
These boys had better man up for the next two games or more than a few will face being discarded for the Under-20 home tournament.
LOL as if, These guys paid $1000 bucks to get wiped. Same old shit - Cant hold the ball, Cant pass the ball. And what kind of system are they playing? Its not attacking or defending football its just crud.
2011 Uzbekistan 1 NZ 4
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
The truth is that the Uruaguay team we just played are potential future stars, while our team is mostly amateurs that train once or twice a week and play against average teams every saturday.
Seb,,Thats a demeaning comment, these kids will be training a lot more than once or twice a week, Acadmy, Rep, School, Clubs, U17.
"Who ate all the pies"
Its not a demeaning comment. Its his opinion and I suspect for a few of them, he would be right.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Someone said awhile ago that this U17 is the first lot out of the FTC/NTC programs and it will be interesting to see how they do. Most of the coaches in the age groups know that the best kids are not going to FTC and NTC because it's rubbish. The better kids are playing up a grade and when they go to FTC they have to train with their own age group (stupid rule) so they go backwards and hate the trainings. If all the kids that didn't go to NTC played them in a match I would put my money on the kids that don't attend NTC
I am sure the NZ boys did their best but lets face the standard of football in NZ is way below the standard of football being played in many other countries by boys of similar age and younger.
The skills, training and competition is much more intense overseas. Playing just in NZ will not develop our young talent.
Hope they do better in their next two games.
I am sure the NZ boys did their best but lets face it the standard of football in NZ is way below the standard of football being played in many other countries by boys of similar age and younger.
The skills, training and competition is much more intense overseas. Playing just in NZ will not develop our young talent.
Hope they do better in their next two games.
Uruguay has a massive football history. Have to agree with Seb. Can't fault us for trying, but we're talking about a completely footballing nation that massively overachieves at WCs. If you park the bus you can squeeze out draws and low scoring defeats, if you try counter attacking sometimes it really really doesn't come off.
Agree with ex-Pat. I remember a friend telling me about his football team in Liverpool for Primary school. I remember the team at our primary was 14 kids for 11 places. At his in 300 kids show up for 11 places. The competition is better and the leniency for mistakes is lower earlier.
Same way that all the Indian cricket superstars developed not necessarily from academies and the like, but from massive competition just to get a game when they were kids.
I am sure the NZ boys did their best but lets face it the standard of football in NZ is way below the standard of football being played in many other countries by boys of similar age and younger.
The skills, training and competition is much more intense overseas. Playing just in NZ will not develop our young talent.
Hope they do better in their next two games.
Ah what rubbish, Look at Australia - there U17 and U20 are playing a new system. When they lose they still play well doing against any opposition (Vietnam thrashed them 6-0 but they still played well). What's our team doing? Hoof ball no matter who there playing. And btw New Zealand has been playing football since the 18th century.
And to say "Oh well it was Uruguay just really doesn't cut it. Thinking like that you might as well forfeit the right to play in the W/Cup to start with.
I can just imagine if the All Blacks supports said exactly what you just said about there teams. (Full of SHITE!)
Mr Positive
Right so we should just start playing like superstars. Someone tell Bazeley to tell the kids before the next game kicks off. That'll do it.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I am sure the NZ boys did their best but lets face it the standard of football in NZ is way below the standard of football being played in many other countries by boys of similar age and younger.
The skills, training and competition is much more intense overseas. Playing just in NZ will not develop our young talent.
Hope they do better in their next two games.
Ah what rubbish, Look at Australia - there U17 and U20 are playing a new system. When they lose they still play well doing against any opposition (Vietnam thrashed them 6-0 but they still played well). What's our team doing? Hoof ball no matter who there playing. And btw New Zealand has been playing football since the 18th century.
And to say "Oh well it was Uruguay just really doesn't cut it. Thinking like that you might as well forfeit the right to play in the W/Cup to start with.
I can just imagine if the All Blacks supports said exactly what you just said about there teams. (Full of SHITE!)
I am sure the NZ boys did their best but lets face it the standard of football in NZ is way below the standard of football being played in many other countries by boys of similar age and younger.
The skills, training and competition is much more intense overseas. Playing just in NZ will not develop our young talent.
Hope they do better in their next two games.
Ah what rubbish, Look at Australia - there U17 and U20 are playing a new system. When they lose they still play well doing against any opposition (Vietnam thrashed them 6-0 but they still played well). What's our team doing? Hoof ball no matter who there playing. And btw New Zealand has been playing football since the 18th century.
And to say "Oh well it was Uruguay just really doesn't cut it. Thinking like that you might as well forfeit the right to play in the W/Cup to start with.
I can just imagine if the All Blacks supports said exactly what you just said about there teams. (Full of SHITE!)
Grumpy old bastard alert
Still better today than what we were at it 10 years ago.
And some of the passing and movement the other day was actually quite good. Just not enough of it and really poor D.
Yes that's true ML but everyone else has not sat still either.
I think it might have been soccer mum who posted that one of this kids text her after the game and they realise they did not front. I suspect based on that admission, they may have been reading their own press and just needed to turn up for a chance of a result. They have talent but maybe now, they realise what football is about on a global level and that a couple of kids with pro contracts is not enough.
Someone did point out that Steve Cain got good results with them. If only he had not emailed Rory Turners mum his cock.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Yes that's true ML but everyone else has not sat still either.
I think it might have been soccer mum who posted that one of this kids text her after the game and they realise they did not front. I suspect based on that admission, they may have been reading their own press and just needed to turn up for a chance of a result. They have talent but maybe now, they realise what football is about on a global level and that a couple of kids with pro contracts is not enough.
Someone did point out that Steve Cain got good results with them. If only he had not pix Rory Turners mum his cock.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
Yes that's true ML but everyone else has not sat still either.
I think it might have been soccer mum who posted that one of this kids text her after the game and they realise they did not front. I suspect based on that admission, they may have been reading their own press and just needed to turn up for a chance of a result. They have talent but maybe now, they realise what football is about on a global level and that a couple of kids with pro contracts is not enough.
Someone did point out that Steve Cain got good results with them. If only he had not pix Rory Turners mum his cock.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Someone said awhile ago that this U17 is the first lot out of the FTC/NTC programs and it will be interesting to see how they do. Most of the coaches in the age groups know that the best kids are not going to FTC and NTC because it's rubbish. The better kids are playing up a grade and when they go to FTC they have to train with their own age group (stupid rule) so they go backwards and hate the trainings. If all the kids that didn't go to NTC played them in a match I would put my money on the kids that don't attend NTC
Yes this is the first group that came through the NTC programme from its commencement. The previous U17 side was also part of the NTC programme for obviously a shorter time. I have been involved with the NTC programme since its outset as the parent of a player involved and at rep and regional level. From my position the best players that fronted up for rep football did go forward to FTC and NTC.. However the selectors for this current U17 group did cast their net further with players that had been at APFA coming through. Prior to them being at APFA they had been NTC members.(Rufer, Tam, Blake) I also know that there were players outside the NTC/Training group still being looked at through the last NYL and winter domestic season just finished. I think it was a pretty robust selection process, but also think I have seen one or two better players miss out who are better than the lads in UAE at present. That is just my opinion and I am not a selector. One of the beauties of football is that we can all look at the same game or player and draw a different conclusion.
As far as the success of the NTC programme, I think it has been a step in the right direction and the net has been cast wider and further than ever before. There is still alot of improvement to come especially in the coach development aspect. Just because you are an F DO in a federation delivering football in schools to primary kids, you are not necessarily qualified to coach at NTC level.
The other aspect that would help our elite is better football facilities. I is very hard to play controlled technical football on horrible bobble pitches.
I also agree that the lads away in UAE may have been guilty of reading a bit too much of their own press, however I also think there was a large mental issue in the fact that being involved in the NTC programme for the best part of four years with the target being that game the other night. The culmination of 4 years of work on a single event for a young 17 year old mind has to be daunting.
Hopefuly there was a lesson learnt and we see a better performance for the remainder of the tournament.
Yes this is the first group that came through the NTC programme from its commencement. The previous U17 side was also part of the NTC programme for obviously a shorter time. I have been involved with the NTC programme since its outset as the parent of a player involved and at rep and regional level. From my position the best players that fronted up for rep football did go forward to FTC and NTC.. However the selectors for this current U17 group did cast their net further with players that had been at APFA coming through. Prior to them being at APFA they had been NTC members.(Rufer, Tam, Blake) I also know that there were players outside the NTC/Training group still being looked at through the last NYL and winter domestic season just finished. I think it was a pretty robust selection process, but also think I have seen one or two better players miss out who are better than the lads in UAE at present. That is just my opinion and I am not a selector. One of the beauties of football is that we can all look at the same game or player and draw a different conclusion.
As far as the success of the NTC programme, I think it has been a step in the right direction and the net has been cast wider and further than ever before. There is still alot of improvement to come especially in the coach development aspect. Just because you are an F DO in a federation delivering football in schools to primary kids, you are not necessarily qualified to coach at NTC level.
The other aspect that would help our elite is better football facilities. I is very hard to play controlled technical football on horrible bobble pitches.
I also agree that the lads away in UAE may have been guilty of reading a bit too much of their own press, however I also think there was a large mental issue in the fact that being involved in the NTC programme for the best part of four years with the target being that game the other night. The culmination of 4 years of work on a single event for a young 17 year old mind has to be daunting.
Hopefuly there was a lesson learnt and we see a better performance for the remainder of the tournament.
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
Your futures are on the line guys. Anyone care to predict a score v Italy? How about 2-3.
That'd be worth staying up for.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Your futures are on the line guys. Anyone care to predict a score v Italy? How about 2-3.
That'd be worth staying up for.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
Your futures are on the line guys. Anyone care to predict a score v Italy? How about 2-3.
That'd be worth staying up for.
Liar. "We won't be anywhere near 10th spot." (see Nix v WSW thread).
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Your futures are on the line guys. Anyone care to predict a score v Italy? How about 2-3.
That'd be worth staying up for.
Liar. "We won't be anywhere near 10th spot." (see Nix v WSW thread).
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
That's not true. I quite like Fred as a bloke, and I have no feelings for Andre.
Mine's more a factual position. When your dad is technical director, and is the guy walking down the line being introduced like "somebody" to the other team, it is hard to imagine the coach (who your dad is the boss of) doesn't feel some pressure to play you. And when you come on for 9 minutes and 30 seconds at the end of a game, well that sort of reinforces the point...
It is inescapable.
Just like at my job, if someone's child gets a job - even though they have to go through the standard interview process - it is inescapable that their relationship to mum/dad had some positive impact.
Fred and family just have to live with it.
totally disagree with you - some people just have more moral fibre than that. I guess it would never cross your mind that Andre deserved to be there.
On the flip slide isn't it easy for someone to doubt someones ability when they are in the situation Andre is - much easier than having to actually look at it objectively.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Yes this is the first group that came through the NTC programme from its commencement. The previous U17 side was also part of the NTC programme for obviously a shorter time. I have been involved with the NTC programme since its outset as the parent of a player involved and at rep and regional level. From my position the best players that fronted up for rep football did go forward to FTC and NTC.. However the selectors for this current U17 group did cast their net further with players that had been at APFA coming through. Prior to them being at APFA they had been NTC members.(Rufer, Tam, Blake) I also know that there were players outside the NTC/Training group still being looked at through the last NYL and winter domestic season just finished. I think it was a pretty robust selection process, but also think I have seen one or two better players miss out who are better than the lads in UAE at present. That is just my opinion and I am not a selector. One of the beauties of football is that we can all look at the same game or player and draw a different conclusion.
As far as the success of the NTC programme, I think it has been a step in the right direction and the net has been cast wider and further than ever before. There is still alot of improvement to come especially in the coach development aspect. Just because you are an F DO in a federation delivering football in schools to primary kids, you are not necessarily qualified to coach at NTC level.
The other aspect that would help our elite is better football facilities. I is very hard to play controlled technical football on horrible bobble pitches.
I also agree that the lads away in UAE may have been guilty of reading a bit too much of their own press, however I also think there was a large mental issue in the fact that being involved in the NTC programme for the best part of four years with the target being that game the other night. The culmination of 4 years of work on a single event for a young 17 year old mind has to be daunting.
Hopefuly there was a lesson learnt and we see a better performance for the remainder of the tournament.
top post. Nice one.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
That's not true. I quite like Fred as a bloke, and I have no feelings for Andre.
Mine's more a factual position. When your dad is technical director, and is the guy walking down the line being introduced like "somebody" to the other team, it is hard to imagine the coach (who your dad is the boss of) doesn't feel some pressure to play you. And when you come on for 9 minutes and 30 seconds at the end of a game, well that sort of reinforces the point...
It is inescapable.
Just like at my job, if someone's child gets a job - even though they have to go through the standard interview process - it is inescapable that their relationship to mum/dad had some positive impact.
Fred and family just have to live with it.
totally disagree with you - some people just have more moral fibre than that. I guess it would never cross your mind that Andre deserved to be there.
On the flip slide isn't it easy for someone to doubt someones ability when they are in the situation Andre is - much easier than having to actually look at it objectively.
I didn't at any stage say I didn't think he deserved to be there. How could I? I've only seen him play once, as a substitute. I don't know how you saw him play for 30 minutes, he came on at 81 I think?
I'm just saying the lad has to contend with that when his dad is there on a junket as supervisor.
Grumpy old bastard alert
That's not true. I quite like Fred as a bloke, and I have no feelings for Andre.
Mine's more a factual position. When your dad is technical director, and is the guy walking down the line being introduced like "somebody" to the other team, it is hard to imagine the coach (who your dad is the boss of) doesn't feel some pressure to play you. And when you come on for 9 minutes and 30 seconds at the end of a game, well that sort of reinforces the point...
It is inescapable.
Just like at my job, if someone's child gets a job - even though they have to go through the standard interview process - it is inescapable that their relationship to mum/dad had some positive impact.
Fred and family just have to live with it.
totally disagree with you - some people just have more moral fibre than that. I guess it would never cross your mind that Andre deserved to be there.
On the flip slide isn't it easy for someone to doubt someones ability when they are in the situation Andre is - much easier than having to actually look at it objectively.
I didn't at any stage say I didn't think he deserved to be there. How could I? I've only seen him play once, as a substitute. I don't know how you saw him play for 30 minutes, he came on at 81 I think?
I'm just saying the lad has to contend with that when his dad is there on a junket as supervisor.
Normo's coming home
Waaaaay better performance
Patterson pen miss was gutting. 0-1 fantastic result in context but deserved draw
Night and day performances.
Good to see them back on track and agree they prob deserved the draw (based on the 60 minutes I saw).
Your futures are on the line guys. Anyone care to predict a score v Italy? How about 2-3.
That'd be worth staying up for.
Liar. "We won't be anywhere near 10th spot." (see Nix v WSW thread).
Just banter.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Night and day performances.
Good to see them back on track and agree they prob deserved the draw (based on the 60 minutes I saw).
+1
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
That's not true. I quite like Fred as a bloke, and I have no feelings for Andre.
Mine's more a factual position. When your dad is technical director, and is the guy walking down the line being introduced like "somebody" to the other team, it is hard to imagine the coach (who your dad is the boss of) doesn't feel some pressure to play you. And when you come on for 9 minutes and 30 seconds at the end of a game, well that sort of reinforces the point...
It is inescapable.
Just like at my job, if someone's child gets a job - even though they have to go through the standard interview process - it is inescapable that their relationship to mum/dad had some positive impact.
Fred and family just have to live with it.
totally disagree with you - some people just have more moral fibre than that. I guess it would never cross your mind that Andre deserved to be there.
On the flip slide isn't it easy for someone to doubt someones ability when they are in the situation Andre is - much easier than having to actually look at it objectively.
I didn't at any stage say I didn't think he deserved to be there. How could I? I've only seen him play once, as a substitute. I don't know how you saw him play for 30 minutes, he came on at 81 I think?
I'm just saying the lad has to contend with that when his dad is there on a junket as supervisor.
I think its a bit unfair to describe it as a junket. He's the national technical director for right or WRONG and he is part of the football department. it is his job to shepherd these player's careers at international level and manage our international programme.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Night and day performances.
Good to see them back on track and agree they prob deserved the draw (based on the 60 minutes I saw).
+1
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Holthusen great talent. Brown yeah streets ahead of agathos who struggled with the basics - marking
Holthusen great talent. Brown yeah streets ahead of agathos who struggled with the basics - marking
I thought he was about the only one that shone (well, glimmered) against Uruguay.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Much better performance, don't think Italy were as good as Uruguay though.
As for the Phoenix boys Ridenton was pretty poor for mine and Rufer looked okay.
Holthusen looked pretty good up front by himself but kept his head down, there were a few times where a player would make decent run in behind or into space and he wouldn't see them and take the shot on himself from a bad angle or lose the ball.
Also the whole Italian team possibly had the worst haircuts I've ever seen.
Holthusen looked pretty good up front by himself but kept his head down, there were a few times where a player would make decent run in behind or into space and he wouldn't see them and take the shot on himself from a bad angle or lose the ball.
+1
Much better performance today from the team.
I actually thought today we played poorer football and were too direct. however, we had greater structure and more passion which was lacking against Uruguay.
Italy play a more direct style which really helped us i think. We couldn't handle Uruguay short passing and movement game.
Terrible penalty... was it worse than BARBS effort in the same tourny many moons ago.
Houltheson looks ok. Still like the look of the RB.