New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

it has been a shark mickey mouse operation from the very beginning and we have been vocal about that. This has caused offence to these petty OFC bureaucrats and they have shafted us. If we have the balls to take this all the way to the international sports court ( or whatever it is called) we would probably win. Let OFC spend some of their bribe money on defending it and paying for a rematch in somewhere where the pitch is flat and temperature moderate

Your balls your word...?

;)

Because we have hit the NZF double whammy.

1. Play fast and loose with the rules OR be too lazy to check carefully.

2. Poke the angry bear that is OFC.

As I said before I really think that we have been stitched up by the Island Nations (some would argue we deserved it but...). I am pretty sure that all our players were vetted by Fifa and it is simply the island nations stating that, even though its an Olympic qualifier and fifa rules apply, they also have to conform to Pacific games rules which state that a player must have been a citizen for at least 5 years!

Prediction: nobody will lose their job or be publicly censured over this. 

NZF will blame OFC for being mickey mouse. OFC will hold up their middle finger.

Ummm... atm we're lining up with Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Togo, etc. on our understanding of Fifa rules and regs.

Prediction: Declan Wynne will never get the chance to play for NZ again. Sad.

Giggs was never eligible for England as per the rules at that time...The 5 yr education clause came in 2009

He was born in Wales to Welsh parents, with Welsh & Sierra Leonne (Fathers side) Grandparents..He did captain "England Schoolboys" as he went to school in England  - selection was not based on Nationality

Why, though? FIFA vetted him previously and found no issues.

look at archway77's comments after Rattue's Herald article (link from YF front page). This sounds feasible to me.

I think there is some pretty strict checking of eligibility at FIFA tournaments, but I would not be surprised if FIFA cocked up checking this

Yeah but the fifa rule has a few variances the pacific games one doesn't

I actually still think it will be overturned, but maybe he will be a test case and the rules will have to be changed (or clarified).

There is no way that you can emigrate and be restricted from playing until you are 23

Can you post here?

Archway77 comments. I hope he is right because it gives us a bit of hope.

"Where NZ Football will be arguing will be the preceding articles 5 and 6 which would suggest that Wynne is elligible for NZ as he is a New Zealand citizen and has lived in NZ for greater than TWO years. Article 7 is more about players who have played for another country at junior level eg Tommy Smith, Winston Reid who wish to change nationalities.

As Wynne has never played at any level for South Africa and meets the criteria under articles 5 and 6 he should have been allowed to play. This is going to be a huge test case with huge ramifications - going by the same logic Winston Reid should have never been allowed to play at junior level for Denmark as it was only his step-father who was Danish not his mother or birth father."

Latest from Herald (Holloway): http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

Ok, this is my argument too.

The counter argument is that there is a way for that person to become eligible, which is to make a request of FIFA.

Err...yes there is.

Whatever happens, it's a no-Wynn situation.

too soon

Can't believe we're stupid enough to just ignore the rules and hope we don't get caught over Wynn.  He's okay but worth this sort of mess?

Martin out.

It seems as though its fairly common to apply for and get granted a waver from Fifa, so they have a blanket rule but players are assessed on a case by case basis, provided you apply to Fifa before playing the player.

Jealous.

Getting FIFA clearance for people in Wynn's situation is standard procedure - if we didn't get it it'd be incompetence of monumental proportions.

Also, for people who say FIFA would have vetted him by now - the only requirement that FIFA have prior to international matches is presentation of players' passports to the FIFA match delegate. The onus is on national associations to ensure they've complied with all the regulations, which are public, and should be gospel to the national associations. Remember there's hundreds of international matches at all sorts of levels being played every year, involving thousands of players. It's not reasonable to expect any single organisation to keep on top of that, especially since ensuring the criteria are met can get complicated for an external organisation (i.e. seeking citizenship and immigration records, etc).

So it's actually entirely plausible that we didn't follow the required steps, and no-one had been aware of it until now.

I have no confidence in getting the decision overturned

This really is a catastrophic error. Knocks us back on a heap of levels.

Interesting reading in hindsight: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/7388095/Fred...

How so?

I don't understand why the regulation 7 would specify from 18 years of age and upward - is FIFA attempting to thwart a worldwide football child prodigy smuggling ring to the Middle East?

p.s. how we feeling on the eligibility of Ryan De Vries for the All Whites - did he do his five years? did we think about it? (I have no idea if he has NZ born lineage)

co-relate these experiences we must - YODA

If he's not elligible for us and never was, I wonder if he can be called up by South Africa still?  (Tongue, cheek)

So, the situation is that Wynne would have been eligible if we had asked FIFA to approve his eligibility. OFC is saying that we didn't.

NZF hasn't said whether we had or not, but seem to be appealing the process that OFC followed to disqualify us rather than the decision they made in the end.

So we are probably fudged.