greene vomiting out the bus window on bus back to Jo'burg. Pretty standard greene.
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Official 2010 Fever Tour to SAfrica
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greene vomiting out the bus window on bus back to Jo'burg. Pretty standard greene.
Sucks to be the car behind you.
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Stayed in Polokwane & had the best f**king time at pub called Raging Bull. She's a rough ol town but they know how to party.
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8639845.stm - 6th photo in.
Lonegunmen is famous!
Lonegunmen is famous!
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This is amazing!!!!!!!!
Still at the Cedar Park (flying out tonight) and the place has been over-run with models. It is stunning. I have seen about 15 and they are making the Miss Barbados (who has been here a few days already) look a bit average.
My pants seem to have shrunk to dangerous levels.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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I've had the time of my life and I owe it all to you....All of you on tour! It was a freakin awesome trip. And now looking back I feel silly for being so scared.
End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.
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I am quite literally still recovering.
Incredible tour
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Totally agree, what an awesome time. great bunch of people to tour with along with some awesome games.
Thanks to all on tour for a truly fantastic time.
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Did anyone purchase the CD that Cedar PArk were selling for the memories? I'm wondering what was on it as due to my need to speed pack on the last morning I failed to purchase said cd....
End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.
If anyone cares for my inane babbling follow @iluvnix17 on the Twitter.
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Talked to a SA contact of mine who has worked as a travel agent in SA. Here are a few money pointers:
1) Strongly suggested to carry as little cash as possible. "you will be robbed" were her words.
2) Don't wear a backpack. and only put things in your pockets that have zips. Otherwise you are asking for trouble.
3) She suggested using your credit card and bank card as much as possible. Although there are hefty charges related to that.
1) Strongly suggested to carry as little cash as possible. "you will be robbed" were her words.
2) Don't wear a backpack. and only put things in your pockets that have zips. Otherwise you are asking for trouble.
3) She suggested using your credit card and bank card as much as possible. Although there are hefty charges related to that.
Did anyone get robbed in South Africa?
I've lost count of the number of times I've been asked if I felt safe there. My answer is that I felt as safe there as I do here. In other words, totally safe.
From all the stuff I read and heard before I went, I was almost expecting a knife-weilding mugger on every corner.
Be interested to get the thoughts of others who were there...did you ever feel unsafe?
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my confidence went up as the tour went on, as I realised that a lot of the security concern warnings were bollox. My the end I was walking down dark alleys at night waving money around.
No one on our tour had any probs
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Great question LF1. I wasn't there but I'd love to hear people's views.
Do you think you felt safe because of the heightened security there? Or wasn't it simply because the threat was over-stated? What kind of areas were you generally in?
Do you think you felt safe because of the heightened security there? Or wasn't it simply because the threat was over-stated? What kind of areas were you generally in?
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well Frankie Mac seemed to get on with the locals
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Great question LF1. I wasn't there but I'd love to hear people's views.
Do you think you felt safe because of the heightened security there? Or wasn't it simply because the threat was over-stated? What kind of areas were you generally in?
Do you think you felt safe because of the heightened security there? Or wasn't it simply because the threat was over-stated? What kind of areas were you generally in?
There was certainly heightened security around the grounds and the team training sessions, but other than that, not so you'd notice. For example, when we went out for lunch/dinner or whatever, you didn't look around and see cops or security staff everywhere.
We were in Pretoria which I think is generally accepted to be a "safer" city than Jo'burg where the YF tour was based. The shopping village down from our place was like Khandallah or Parnell.
The main reminder of where we were was the electric wire and high fences around every single house in a half-decent area. A sobering reminder that to live in SA is to live with the constant threat of crime. I think people are generally wary too - our neighbours didn't attempt to engage us in conversation the whole time we were there and they saw us come and go every day.
I found the black African people in particular to be incredibly friendly and welcoming - most hospitality and retail staff were black and almost without exception were wonderful people. I think the place gets a bad rap from a small minority, but the crime stats are irrefutable. Pays to remember though that the vast majority of murders happen between people who know each other, so the threat to visitors is probably very small in that regard. You'd think robberies and muggings might have increased though with so many visitors in the country, but that didn't happen to my knowledge.
Maybe the country was on its best behaviour because the World Cup was on, but I'll retain great memories of the place, especially the people.
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I never once felt unsafe during my stay. Definitely think safety concern were over-hyped, but having said that, I think it really depends on where you go. We were based in north Jo'berg, which by all accounts is a nicer part of the city. I had a chat to a couple of yank who we were on safari with, and they only felt unsafe when they were in downtown jo'berg at night. But like all cities, there are certain parts you don't really go at night (Porirua East, Naenae etc).
I actually thought the security around the stand, in particular the bag checks, we pretty average. Half the time my bag wasn't checked, and when it was, they hardly ever checked to see if I had something hidden inside my hoodie that was inside my bag. Furthermore, I walked through the metal detector forgetting I had my camera in my hand. So once the detector beeped I went to go back out and pass my camera through the bag check. But the security guard just told me to keep walking. Who know what I could have had in my pockets?
I actually thought the security around the stand, in particular the bag checks, we pretty average. Half the time my bag wasn't checked, and when it was, they hardly ever checked to see if I had something hidden inside my hoodie that was inside my bag. Furthermore, I walked through the metal detector forgetting I had my camera in my hand. So once the detector beeped I went to go back out and pass my camera through the bag check. But the security guard just told me to keep walking. Who know what I could have had in my pockets?
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And agree with LF1 that the locals were fantastic. Ridiculously friendly.
2ndBest2010-07-06 22:59:01
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Great question LF1. I wasn't there but I'd love to hear people's views.Do you think you felt safe because of the heightened security there? Or wasn't it simply because the threat was over-stated? What kind of areas were you generally in?�
Overstated.
I wandered on my own in Soweto, Nikon D-70 over my shoulder. Even popped into a little bar there for a couple.
Nelspruit, Polokwane & Jo'Burg all good. No need to even mention Pretoria or Bloemfontein.
Never went to Rustenburg but that's the only place I heard from people I know that wasn't to their liking & that was more to do with the Afrikaans.
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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Someone stole my self respect
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Never went to Rustenburg but that's the only place I heard from people I know that wasn't to their liking & that was more to do with the Afrikaans.
Couldn't agree more. We had the great misfortune of meeting a big, fat obnoxious Afrikaan slob at a bar in Rusty ... dreadful chap.
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I thought News didn't go to SA though.
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Yeah never ever felt unsafe there. I also was lucky enough not to meet any big fat afrikaans but I did find the local hospitality fantastic. Especially the shabeen (Or however you spell it) in Rustenburg truly amazing.
I guess it's like a lot of countries that if you put yourself in an unsafe situation then the likelyhood of something happening is heightened.
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Yeah never ever felt unsafe there. I also was lucky enough not to meet any big fat afrikaans but I did find the local hospitality fantastic. Especially the shabeen (Or however you spell it) in Rustenburg truly amazing.
I guess it's like a lot of countries that if you put yourself in an unsafe situation then the likelyhood of something happening is heightened.
Yeah, but you're used to roaming around Upper Hutt 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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i didnt feel unsafe but was cautious. people were fine but i found jo'burg to be a dump, a spooky weird place and thought rusty was also a dump. didnt see much of nelspruit or polokwane. landscape was also v disappointing. not a pretty place up on the high veld.
i wouldnt recommend joburg or any of the places we visited to anybody.
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After the Italy game.
Traitor2010-07-08 00:11:21
Traitor2010-07-08 00:11:21
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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After the Italy game.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Yeah never ever felt unsafe there. I also was lucky enough not to meet any big fat afrikaans but I did find the local hospitality fantastic. Especially the shabeen (Or however you spell it) in Rustenburg truly amazing.
I guess it's like a lot of countries that if you put yourself in an unsafe situation then the likelyhood of something happening is heightened.
Yeah, but you're used to roaming around Upper Hutt
True that, the good thing was that I had the White Noise Posse there.
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Great moves Jonesey.
Totally safe out there, the only muggers were the amercian touts and the only pitfalls were the one I fell down on the way home from The Barrens!.
Totally safe out there, the only muggers were the amercian touts and the only pitfalls were the one I fell down on the way home from The Barrens!.
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Unrelated question, what number was Vicelich at the WC? I'm getting his shirt and am not 100% sure on the number.
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Unrelated question, what number was Vicelich at the WC? I'm getting his shirt and am not 100% sure on the number.
5.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Thanks. Thought so but wasn't sure and couldn't find the page with player numbers.
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One of the things I'm curious about (particularly after watching the loltastic piece the daily show did, and because I'm reading "More than a game" which is a book about the FA set up on Robben Island) is were the racial issues of the past obvious at any stage?
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Well there are still plenty of racists.
2ndBest2010-07-08 20:25:59
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One of the things I'm curious about (particularly after watching the loltastic piece the daily show did, and because I'm reading "More than a game" which is a book about the FA set up on Robben Island) is were the racial issues of the past obvious at any stage?
I might have just been imagining it, but some of the black waitresses/waiters/retail staff seemed a little taken aback when we were friendly to them. We were just being normal kiwis, but they seemed surprised that we said thank you when they served us and brought our food over.
I also watched other white diners/shoppers not even look at them or attempt to engage them in conversation of any kind. I kinda got the feeling some of the old habits are dying hard over there.
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TBH i felt a little uncomfortable holding up my ALL WHITES flag when posing for photos with the Africans, however they insisted so I rolled with it
End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.
If anyone cares for my inane babbling follow @iluvnix17 on the Twitter.
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You may not have been taking this much notice but there is no harm in asking...
Was it an older generation thing (ie. people who were around during apartheid) only or had they passed it onto their children?
Do you think it's a case of let the racist's die off (for want of a better terminology) and you'll kill much of the problem?
Mr_Incredible2010-07-08 20:44:03
Was it an older generation thing (ie. people who were around during apartheid) only or had they passed it onto their children?
Do you think it's a case of let the racist's die off (for want of a better terminology) and you'll kill much of the problem?
Mr_Incredible2010-07-08 20:44:03
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One of the things I'm curious about (particularly after watching the loltastic piece the daily show did, and because I'm reading "More than a game" which is a book about the FA set up on Robben Island) is were the racial issues of the past obvious at any stage?
I might have just been imagining it, but some of the black waitresses/waiters/retail staff seemed a little taken aback when we were friendly to them. We were just being normal kiwis, but they seemed surprised that we said thank you when they served us and brought our food over.
I also watched other white diners/shoppers not even look at them or attempt to engage them in conversation of any kind. I kinda got the feeling some of the old habits are dying hard over there.
Interestingly I also saw black people acting in the same way towards other black people in service industries, very stratified society but what do you expect when it is the world's most unequal country i guess (recently overtook Brazil).
The whole country is pretty odd, everyone has servants and domestic help, of course that's a hangover from the past, people expect to be able to employ cheap "help" and there is an us and them mentality. We stayed on a farm outside of Nelspruit and it looked exactly like it would have 30 years ago. White landowners live in a big house up the back, black workers doing manual labour in the fields, black maids working in the property.
I only once saw a whie person doing manual labour, waiting tables, selling stuff etc in the entire 2 weeks. Things have changed obviously but the past is still right there in front of you
Normo's coming home
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You may not have been taking this much notice but there is no harm in asking...Was it an older generation thing (ie. people who were around during apartheid) only or had they passed it onto their children?Do you think it's a case of let the racist's die off (for want of a better terminology) and you'll kill much of the problem?
You will never kill that problem. Racists are not only confined to white people
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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I also lost count of the number of times I saw a white guy driving a ute with black guys sitting in the tray
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