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Oly lads vs Chile - Next week !!

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PROAK wrote:
Didn't think the final squad had been announced yet? Or did you mean final squad for this game?
 
Final squad hasn't been publicly announced, but it sounds as though they were told whether or not they're in it this morning
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Why was Costa not in the team today?
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Not sure, but from the sounds of it he hasnt made the final squad either

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loyalgunner wrote:
Why was Costa not in the team today?
 
He's still in Aus, though Old was playing so why he's back and Costa's not is a bit of a puzzle... maybe he had a few days warning and decided not to come back as he didn't make the squad.
Leeds_Chris2008-07-02 18:41:20
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I'll be disappointed if Costa hasn't made it. He is a  creative attacking player who makes incisive runs.
 
Not too surprised about Draper, especially with Killen thhere to play the target man up front.
 
Has Pelter made the squad??? Left out today and with Nelsen joining it would appear he is fourth choice, might have to take him with Nelsen leaving in case Box or Old get injured.
 
Interesting that Draper and Costa, arguebly two of our best young talents (thus been signed at the nix) can not make the team.
 
 
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Sounds like we're only sending Hearfield to China after all...
I think NZ played well, we were pushed off the ball because it was slippery as the ocean itself, same thing happened to Chile. We'll probably rely a lot on the counter-attack but I think we should beat Belgium, they're hardly a European power, let alone a world one. Nelsen should be worth two men at the back with his leadership and organisational skills.
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On a slightly different note... loved the Chilean support today. I somehow managed to end up in the middle of them.

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Dont know why anyone is sl*gging the olywhites I thought it was a good peformance they actually had more chances than chile. Chile's 2nd goal was shocking goalie error but the boy in goal did well after that. Thought New Zealand played some good football to be honest and there 4 midfielders worked there arses off defensively and also provided good ball to counter with. Boxall and Old did a good job at the back too and Brockie had a productive game and probably should have scored a goal or 2. By the way it was freezing in the stands i hate to imagine what it was like on the field!
uptheeverton2008-07-02 19:34:18
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from what I've read I'd agree Uptheeverton,
 
if it was the AWs v their international team  - no matter what the conditions, I'd take a 2-1 loss with a few chances our way that we didn't convert and the winner from a keeping error
 
if this is even close to their top  u-23 side, then that seems like a decent effort from our lads
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but I think we should beat Belgium,
 
Several others have also said this and I'm wondering why?
 
Only 4 teams have qualified from UEFA so thay cant be that bad.
 
Ive found the following:
Vincent Kompany (Hamburg), Steven Defour and Marouane Fellaini (Standard Liege), Jan Verthongen and Thomas Vermaelen (Ajax), Haris Faroun (Genk), Guillaume Gillet (Anderlecht), Kevin Mirallas (Lille) and Moussa Dembele (AZ Alkmaar) are all first-teamers at their clubs.
 
To get to the final group they beat Eire, Greece and Bulgaria. In their final group they beat Israel and drew with Portugal and Netherlands only conceding 2 goals to qualify for the semi's.
 In the semi-finals, the Belgians were beaten 2-0 by Serbia who lost to the Netherlands in the final. The other semi finalist was England who dont attend the Olympics.
 
These guys dont sound to bad to me.

A dog with a bone :)

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Leeds_Chris wrote:

On a slightly different note... loved the Chilean support today. I somehow managed to end up in the middle of them.



Chilean fans were great- they sang thei anthem with gusto and managed some great chants, prob. without a website to guide them (respect to Amigos Cafe-Newtown!)

Honking horns in the surrounding streets for 30 mins afterwards.....a win is a win for the latinos!

Why do NZers not even sing our own anthem- we are unsure how it to begin it?!

a fantastic international on a crap pitch-thanks to WUAFC for stepping up

Salmon swim upstream

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What was the crowd total, and is their any video footage?
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Give it a lash Friday News- nothing wrong with learning from some die hard latino fans

I was as silent as the rest- id estimate crowd at 600+

News?

Salmon swim upstream

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Feverish wrote:

Find Feverish won by�..Scottishbhoy!!

Drawn by Neil Emblen

 
you being for real?
 
Mint... Uhh do you need my details?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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It was pretty much a full stand, whatever that equates to, possibly with a few extras around the sides. Not bad considering timing and weather
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Scottishbhoy.

Yeah.  Might need to wait until next week when Smith returns from chasing totty across South-East Asia.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Scottishbhoy.

Yeah.  Might need to wait until next week when Smith returns from chasing totty across South-East Asia.
 
 
So your being for real...
 
So smith will Pm i take it?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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nightz wrote:
but I think we should beat Belgium,
 
Several others have also said this and I'm wondering why?
 
Only 4 teams have qualified from UEFA so thay cant be that bad.
 
Ive found the following:
Vincent Kompany (Hamburg), Steven Defour and Marouane Fellaini (Standard Liege), Jan Verthongen and Thomas Vermaelen (Ajax), Haris Faroun (Genk), Guillaume Gillet (Anderlecht), Kevin Mirallas (Lille) and Moussa Dembele (AZ Alkmaar) are all first-teamers at their clubs.
 
To get to the final group they beat Eire, Greece and Bulgaria. In their final group they beat Israel and drew with Portugal and Netherlands only conceding 2 goals to qualify for the semi's.
 In the semi-finals, the Belgians were beaten 2-0 by Serbia who lost to the Netherlands in the final. The other semi finalist was England who dont attend the Olympics.
 
These guys dont sound to bad to me.
 
Is that U20 or U23 qualifying?  Because I didn't think England even assemble an U23 side

Normo's coming home

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I seem to recall England dont assemble a side bc they are represented at the olympics by Great Britain - andbecause the various countries that constitute Great Britain have separate national football sides and regimes it has all just proved too difficult to put together a great britain football team. might find a way around it when London hosts in 2012.
 
 ... Or maybe thats all an irrelevant and uninformed ramble?
 
no, that makes sense actually. while england can compete in european champs at u23 level they cant compete at the olympics bc of the great britain factor. but that still doesnt answer JD's question as to whether the tournament described above was u20 or u23
 
so, i can at least now confirm that i have added no value at all to this discussion
Marius Lacatus2008-07-02 21:20:12
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The UEFA U-21 Championship 2007, played between 10 and 23 June 2007, served as the qualifying competition.

A dog with a bone :)

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At the end of the day on the Draper/Costa thing. Those boys are talented young players. young being the key word. They are only 18 still? they can still play in the next Olympics qualifiers.

If we build it, they will come...

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Good Point.
 
There seems to be some real prospects around that age and a little younger propping up now which is excellent.
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Cheers Nightz.  Sam you are correct.
 
But there is a big push for the UK to enter a combined team in 2012, Sir Alex has been mentioned as a coach.
 
The issue for the home nations is that they are rare in world football in England, Wales, N Ireland and Scotland being able to have different represntative sides that are not real countries.  The home nations want assurances from Sepp Blatter that entering a combined team in the Olympics won't affect their separate status in the future (as it is unique and FIFA don't really like it as it sets a precedent for other countries with semi-independent states e.g Basques in Spain who play friendlies.  So far, unsurprisingly, Mr Blatter has fiddled round and given contradictory messages.
 
Plus they all hate each other so it is quite difficult.  Would be pretty cool though, could be huge if they started making some progress in the tournament.
james dean2008-07-03 03:03:25

Normo's coming home

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Just to complicate the analysis from Marcus Lacatus and James Dean on the UK.. Whilst we compete as Great Britain in the Olympics, that in itself is a little messy too. For the purposes of Olympic classification Northern Ireland are treated as being part of Britain. The problem is that Northern Ireland is not part of Britain. It is part of the UK, but the UK and GB are not the same thing - something I've found NZers confused on. Then again, I'm always correcting people who treat English and British as the same thing, even TVNZ, which must really piss off the Scots and Welsh.
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from memory, Britain had an olympic team in the early 70's (all 'amatuers')
 
Hull city signed the big Welsh lummox Phil Holme on the basis of his performances for the british team
 
that's the same Phil holme who was the focus of this great footballing quote
 
"the opposition defender sustained a broken nose after running into Phil Holme's elbow"
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james dean wrote:
nightz wrote:
but I think we should beat Belgium,

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Several others have also said this and I'm wondering why?

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Only 4 teams have qualified from UEFA so thay cant be that bad.

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Ive found the following:

Vincent Kompany (Hamburg), Steven Defour and Marouane Fellaini (Standard Liege), Jan Verthongen and Thomas Vermaelen (Ajax), Haris Faroun (Genk), Guillaume Gillet (Anderlecht), Kevin Mirallas (Lille) and Moussa Dembele (AZ Alkmaar) are all first-teamers at their clubs.

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To get to the final group they beat Eire, Greece and Bulgaria.�In their�final group they beat Israel and drew with Portugal and Netherlands only conceding 2 goals to qualify for the semi's.

�In the semi-finals, the Belgians were beaten 2-0 by Serbia who lost to the Netherlands in the final. The other semi finalist was England who dont attend the Olympics.

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These guys dont sound to bad to me.

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Is that U20 or U23 qualifying?� Because I didn't think England even assemble an U23 side


There's neither U20 or U23 European competitions - they go in odd-year sequences (eg. U19, U21). The U21 European Championship (won by the Netherlands last year, beat Serbia 4-1 in the final) serves as the European qualifier for the U23 "World Championship" held at the Olympics (or so the FIFA would have us believe, despite allowing 3 over-age players per squad to spice things up a bit).

Also, I completely agree with Nightz on this almost delusional expectation that the Olywhites 'should' beat Belgium. Most of our U23s (if not all) would probably struggle to be signed by Belgian 2nd division team, and the guys they'll be sending are already pretty accomplished players in pretty respectable European clubs. Guess some people here don't realise how strong, competetive and tough European football really is.
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Most of our U23s (if not all) would probably struggle to be signed by Belgian 2nd division team, and the guys they'll be sending are already pretty accomplished players in pretty respectable European clubs. Guess some people here don't realise how strong, competetive and tough European football really is.[/QUOTE]



absolute bollix...Belgain 2nd division is sh*te...

im not saying all of the u23's would make it in europe but a few of them would pick up contracts in the uk at lower divisions which is alot better than belgium crap.

Kris bright was playing in dutch and norway leagues and said it wasnt much better than back here and belguim leagues wouldnt be much different




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james dean wrote:
..I didn't think England even assemble an U23 side


I checked and according to RSSSF the last time an England U23 side played was in 1976.
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knowitall wrote:
Most of our U23s (if not all) would probably struggle to be signed by Belgian 2nd division team, and the guys they'll be sending are already pretty accomplished players in pretty respectable European clubs. Guess some people here don't realise how strong, competetive and tough European football really is.[/QUOTE]absolute bollix...Belgain 2nd division is sh*te...im not saying all of the u23's would make it in europe but a few of them would pick up contracts in the uk at lower divisions which is alot better than belgium crap.Kris bright was playing in dutch and norway leagues and said it wasnt much better than back here and belguim leagues wouldnt be much different




Get back to me when you actually see some European football. OK?
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i have mate..played and seen it..

you clearly dontknow much about erupoean football..especially in Belgium and smaller countires like that..next you'll be telling me the greek league is good..
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We're rank outsiders for the Olympics (I think we were 200/1 odds to win last time I checked.) so even if we get a draw there it'd be a big deal.

Sounds like we put in a good performance v Chile - perhaps could've been better, but it should be with Elliott, Killen and Nelsen there to rev the younger guys up.

a.haak

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The point is many of their players dont play in Belgium. I have listed a few that play 1st team in very respectable clubs, ie Ajax, Hamburg.

A dog with a bone :)

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Ha - from the NZ Football report on the match:

Substitute Liam Messam brushed aside his marker but shot straight at the keeper after going through one-on-one while at the other end Little saved well from a late Chilean free-kick as neither side could add to the halftime score.


Wrong Messam brother, you've got the wrong Meessam brother...

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Hard News wrote:
Ha - from the NZ Football report on the match:

Substitute Liam Messam brushed aside his marker but shot straight at the keeper after going through one-on-one while at the other end Little saved well from a late Chilean free-kick as neither side could add to the halftime score.


Wrong Messam brother, you've got the wrong Meessam brother...



You sure he didn't get the pip for not gettin the call up to the AB's and decide on a code-switch???





E + R + O

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I'll be there tomorrow night for sure.
I'm peeved about the Babarouses call though.
Yeah fairplay that he's young enough to have another chance to play in an Olmpic Qualifier but we might not qualify next time and he's missed his chance on a showing at the Olympics...
That sucks. Am I being dramatic?
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i also cannot believe barboruses kid is not going. That Hawkes player messam doesnt even look like a footballer?? apart from that not a bad squad i believe
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Dwyer wrote:
I'll be there tomorrow night for sure.
I'm peeved about the Babarouses call though.
Yeah fairplay that he's young enough to have another chance to play in an Olmpic Qualifier but we might not qualify next time and he's missed his chance on a showing at the Olympics...
That sucks. Am I being dramatic?
 
hes way over rated, sure he play for the phoenix but how good is he really? hes defiently not strong - and that looks to outdone him in the squad thats been picked
 
another reason couldve been that he is still over in nsw and hasnt attended any training camps at ole, so not to sure who made that decision weather it was the phoenix or his personal not to come back for under 23 - but wouldnt surprise me if it was the phoenix saying dont worry about the olympics as thats been their attitude of late.
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I don't know, I mean there is a lot of talk about him. But he's a good player.
I would have thought very deserving on an Oly-Whites shirt but who knows what the reasons are.. Anyway, he's not there I guess.
Still excited for tomorrow nights game. How many Fever-ites are intending on going?
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I'm gutted about Costa missing out... but also Draper, from what I saw yesterday and the gametime he had last year I thought he could well have held his own in the team. I think he shows signs of having a good footballing head as well, doesn't rush, gets himself into spaces, looks for a sound pass instead of rushing the ball when he receives it. To be honest I'm a little surprised he gets overlooked so much on this forum.

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