Been lurking for a while and enjoying the richness in banter and speculation. Finally decided to sign up to participate a little.
This morning I found on the dutch football site 'Voetbal International' the following article (rouglhy translated below the copy):
Volgens de Spaanse krant Marca is Nederland voor de loting voor het WK 2010 in Zuid-Afrika ingedeeld in pot twee. Dit betekent dat Nederland meer kans heeft een groot voetballand te treffen in de poulefase van het toernooi om de wereldtitel.
De ploeg van Bert van Marwijk kan nog promoveren naar de eerst geplaatste landen, maar dan moet Ierland Frankrijk verslaan in de play-offs. Die kans lijkt klein na het 1-0 verlies in Dublin.
De potindeling voor de loting van het WK
Pot 1: Zuid-Afrika, Brazili�, Spanje, Itali�, Duitsland, Argentini�, Engeland, Frankrijk*
Pot 2: Nederland, Portugal/Bosni�-Herzegovina, Rusland/Sloveni�, Zwitserland, Griekenland/Oekra�ne, Servi�, Denemarken, Slowakije
Pot 3: Ivoorkust, Ghana, Kameroen, Nigeria, Egypte/Algerije, Paraguay, Chili, Uruguay/Costa Rica
Pot 4: Japan, Zuid-Korea, Noord-Korea, Australi�, Nieuw-Zeeland, Verenigde Staten, Mexico, Honduras
* Mits Frankrijk wint van Ierland. Mochten de Ieren de Fransen uitschakelen dan gaat Nederland naar Pot 1.
"Holland is, according to the Spanish Newspaper 'Marca', grouped for the WC 2010 draw in South Africa in 'Pot' 2. The result of this will mean that Holland has an increased chance to be grouped with another major football nation in the group stage for the championship.
The team of manager Bert van Marwijk still has a chance of 'promotion to the first placed nations but only if Ireland defeats France in the qualifier. A small enough chance after the 1-0 loss in Dublin.
The 'Pots' to draw from for the WC Draw"
'Pot1: South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Germany, Argentina, England, France
Pot2: Holland, Portugal/Bosnia-Herzegovinia. Russia/Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece/Ukraine,Serbia, Denmark, Slowakia
Pot3 : Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon, Nigeria, Egypt/algeria, Paraguay, Chile, UruguayCosta Rica
Pot 4: Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Australia, New Zealand, USA, Mexico. Honduras"
Regretfully it would mean the All Whites cannot be placed anymore in a Group with some of the weaker nations like the Koreas, Honduras which i was hoping for. It also would mean a nice mouth watering clash with Australia is off the cards.
You can see what chances The All Whites have meeting who and the odds for all your preferences.
Regards
Buddha
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
Gues we can't pull Hondorus like i hoped
Pot 1: South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Germany. Argentina, England, France
Pot 2: Holland, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia,Denmark, Slovakia
Pot3: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon,Nigeria, Algeria, Paraguay,Chile, Uruquay/Costa Rica
Pot4: Japan, South Korea, North Korea,Australia, New Zealand, USA, Mexico, Honduras
How the pots will look depends on the outcome of the Uruguay and Costa Rica tie. It's not a straight swap one for the other.
Im guessing someone will post the pots after the Costa Rica match
brettdale2009-11-19 12:47:53

What are the pots?
South Africa
Brazil
Spain
Italy
Germany
Argentina
England
France
Pot B UEFA
Netherlands
Portugal
Slovenia
Switzerland
Greece
Serbia
Denmark
Slovakia
Pot C CAF/CONMEBOL
Ivory Coast
Ghana
Cameroon
Nigeria
Algeria
Paraguay
Chile
Uruguay
POT D CONCACAF/AFC/OFC
Japan
South Korea
North Korea
Australia
New Zealand
United States of America
Mexico
Honduras
There are still teams that we might get a result from, South Africa, Ivory Coast, Switzerland???
Ivory Coast who nearly turned over Germany this morning and are probably one of the top African seeds ?
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
Greece and Algeria are our best hope of getting a result, both don't score many goals and defend well. 'A' game is required tho to ensure 'NAE GID KICKINS' tho.
Ghana is a good side too.el grapadura2009-11-19 18:53:52
rojas, so special
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
We can rattle them.
Can't have two African teams in the same group - if we get South Africa as the seed, Algeria's off the table for us.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
Won't happen until after the World Cup. The risk of injury to players on either side on a 'no holds barred' pre- World Cup friendly will put to rest this idea. This is the World Cup we're talking about, not a mickey-mouse tournament.
Wait until the FIFA-breaks in September or October 2010, then let the boys go for it. One match in Aus, one match in NZ.
diego's son2009-11-20 10:19:33
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/pims-world-cup-warmup-might-be-a-mild-guus-chase/2009/11/19/1258219925381.html
Pim's World Cup warm-up might be a mild Guus chase <!--articleTools Top--> Michael Cockerill
November 20, 2009
CROATIA, Uruguay, Paraguay, Portugal and even a revenge mission against world champions Italy are all possible match-ups for Australia in a blockbuster World Cup farewell match in Melbourne next May, but the chances of the Socceroos resuming their age-old rivalry with New Zealand seem remote.
After yesterday's final round of qualifiers in Africa, Europe and South America, the list of the 32 teams who will be going to South Africa has finally been filled. That list, and the impending World Cup draw in Cape Town, will be used to finalise the Socceroos' build-up - which is almost certain to involve only one match on Australian soil.
While Football Federation Australia has tentatively booked ANZ Stadium for a match on the weekend of May 21 to 23, it's understood coach Pim Verbeek wants only one farewell match, which is virtually certain to be played at the MCG on May 26. Contrary to some suggestions, there is no rule preventing Australia playing a team it draws in the World Cup, although Verbeek is likely to avoid that scenario for fear of giving away too many secrets.
FFA chief executive Ben Buckley remains coy about the schedule, and possible opponents, saying: ''We're now in the process of reviewing which teams are available. We now know the results from Europe and South America, so there's a lot more clarity. But I can't confirm any dates, how many games will be played, or any teams.''
Asked who would decide, Buckley added: ''That's up to the coaching staff. Pim and the team will ultimately determine the best way to prepare for the World Cup.''
Verbeek seems intent on mirroring the schedule devised by his predecessor, Guus Hiddink, before the previous World Cup in 2006. The Socceroos played one farewell game, against Greece at the MCG - which drew a record crowd of 95,103 - before flying to Europe, where they finetuned their preparations against the Netherlands (in Rotterdam) and Liechtenstein (in the German city of Ulm).
This time around the team is likely to head to base camp in Johannesburg immediately after the farewell match in Melbourne and play at least two games in South Africa. Based on Hiddink's model, one game will be against a strong opponent and the final match against a weak opponent - although Liechtenstein didn't quite prove to be the walkover they were expected to be. With the Socceroos a big chance of drawing an African opponent, southern African minnows such as Botswana, Mozambique, Mauritius, Seychelles, Malawi, Rwanda, Burundi, Lesotho and Swaziland will all come into calculations. Minimising travel for the players in the final week will be a key consideration.
If the World Cup draw on December 5 gives Australia a relatively late start to the tournament, there is a slim possibility of a third game in South Africa, which could raise the possibility of a long-awaited match against the All Whites.
While Buckley praised New Zealand's epic victory against Bahrain in Wellington last weekend, he has cast doubts on a match-up against Australia's oldest opponents, saying: ''It was a wonderful achievement by New Zealand, and they should be congratulated. It's potentially a defining moment for the sport in New Zealand, much as our match against Uruguay [2005] was.
''Of course we all know the great rivalry which exists between the two nations, but when you're preparing for a World Cup, you can't romanticise about that. You have to look at what's best for the team.''
While Australia have played New Zealand 62 times since their first meeting in Dunedin in 1922, the two nations have not met since Australia's switch from Oceania to Asia in 2005. Earlier this week, New Zealand Football chairman Frank van Hattum said he would ''love'' to resume the rivalry in a ''meaningful way''.
FYI
Official Thread number two:
Official Thread number one.
http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10993
This is so busy that bets are on for "Official" thread number four in the next two days . . . the thread to end all thread about the WC draw.

The detailed criteria to determine the seeded teams for the Final Draw for the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa� will be confirmed at the next meeting of the Organising Committee for the FIFA World Cup� in Cape Town on 2 December 2009 (and announced at a press conference following the meeting).
If the criteria to determine the seeded teams were to include, as in the past, the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking, then it would be the October 2009 edition of this ranking which would be considered, and this for sporting reasons. In fact, using the November 2009 edition would create an uneven situation, specifically for the European Zone, where the play-offs involving the eight best runners-up led to an imbalance in the number of qualification matches played between the teams."[/quote]
http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/11/2010-world-cup-seeding-update-20.html
From Edgar's site:
[quote]This is not official - it's based on the 2006 FIFA World Cup seeding formula and draw setup (CAF + CONMEBOL in one pot, AFC + CONCACAF + OFC in the other, title holders in Group F)
Rank in the seeding table - Country - Total - Performance points - FIFA Ranking Points
1 Brazil 59.7 29.3 30.3
2 Germany 59.3 30.3 29.0
3 Italy 56.7 27.3 29.3
4 Spain 56.0 25.3 30.7
5 England 51.3 26.3 25.0
6 Argentina 49.7 21.0 28.7
7 France 48.7 23.3 25.3
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8 Portugal 47.3 22.3 25.0
9 Netherlands 43.0 14.7 28.3
10 Mexico 37.7 19.3 18.3
11 USA 34.7 13.7 21.0
12 Switzerland 31.7 15.3 16.3
13 Paraguay 30.3 11.7 18.7
14 Ghana 24.7 13.3 11.3
15 Korea Republic 23.7 15.7 8.0
16 Cameroon 23.7 3.0 20.7
17 Japan 23.3 13.3 10.0
18 Australia 23.3 11.3 12.0
19 Greece 21.3 0.0 21.3
20 C�te d'Ivoire 20.3 6.0 14.3
21 Serbia 20.3 5.3 15.0
22 Denmark 19.7 7.7 12.0
23 Nigeria 19.7 2.7 17.0
24 Uruguay 18.3 2.7 15.7
25 Chile 13.0 0.0 13.0
26 Honduras 7.7 0.0 7.7
27 Slovakia 7.0 0.0 7.0
28 Slovenia 6.7 2.7 4.0
29 South Africa 6.3 3.0 3.3
30 Algeria 6.3 0.0 6.3
31 New Zealand 2.3 0.0 2.3
32 Korea DPR 1.0 0.0 1.0
Pot 1 (seeded teams): Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Spain
Pot 2 (rest of UEFA): Denmark, Greece, Netherlands, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland
Pot 3 (AFC + OFC + CONCACAF): Australia, Honduras, Japan, Korea DPR, Korea Republic, Mexico, New Zealand, USA
Pot 4 (CAF + rest of CONMEBOL): Algeria, Cameroon, Chile, C�te d'Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria, Paraguay, Uruguay
Possible draw (using random.org):
Group A: South Africa, Serbia, USA, Uruguay
Group B: Argentina, Slovakia, Australia, Ghana
Group C: England, Portugal, Mexico, Paraguay
Group D: Brazil, Netherlands, Honduras, Cameroon
Group E: France, Greece, Korea Republic, Nigeria
Group F: Italy, Denmark, Japan, Chile
Group G: Spain, Slovenia, New Zealand, Algeria
Group H: Germany, Switzerland, Korea DPR, C�te d'Ivoire
I like this random pool group suggestion. Although Spain is a tough exercise to minimise the goal difference. I do think we can push Solvenia and Algeria and nab enough points.
This group reminds me of Australia's pool group in 2006 against Brazil, Croatia and Japan, where they lost to Brazil but manage to nick enough points off Croatia and Japan.
In any case, such a group is still fairly exciting to watch. Can't wait until the 4th Dec (SAT) draw.
