The next All Whites coach

I really hope ur wrong! I seriously don't know if I can take another Seater type spend up with no idea about what the game needs!

My guess is Andy is picking up a pretty good pay cheque and hopefully he does actually give a sh@t about football in this country!

One more disaster of a GM and who knows what will happen to the game ...!

He did an awful job at Fulham, has coached Barnet in League 2 since and then in Greece where his side was relegated.  He coached NI up until 2007 - 7 years ago.  He's had 2 jobs since each for only a year.  How he is even in the conversation I do not know, but this is really quite worrying.

And yes, he is a long ball merchant (at least he was at Fulham)

Remember how when the Nix were looking for a new coach, former Mexico and Real Madrid striker Hugo Sanchez was mentioned a bit? Maybe it's a case of crossed wires here and it's actually Hugo Sanchez on the AWs shortlist, not Lawrie Sanchez?

Until it's actually announced I can keep dreaming...

Just saw this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10243160/All-Whites-look-for-Bahrain-for-coach-report

Surely we can't be a more attractive option than a country that would no doubt pay more and definitely plays a lot more meaningful games?

But he has to deal with all the chaos of working within a middle east environment. No organisation at all and subject to a dozen peoples whims.

We'd probably have a better chance of qualifying for the next world cup too.

You talking about NZF right?

With the All Whites getting 500,000 plus as a bonus from the TAB World Cup betting,maybe they can afford him / someone decent

Positives - English language country, more akin to his home country, easier qualifying path (perhaps?)

Negatives - Money, may not get release to talk, money, not a full time job

This is quite bold from NZF. Don't know much about the guy but they have obviously identified they want a young coach that has not quite established himself but is getting results and the reputation is growing. I think its a positive move. Definitely a damn sight better than Sanchez, Dowie and Butcher. I would think as well that if you were in the final 3 and did get offered the job, then its fair to say you were not the first choice....

ffs look at his wiki page he never played any football games, how can he be better than Butcher or Dowie????

Can I have a citation on the "religious views" thing? I know Wynton's a hard-core Christian, but I can't remember a time he's done something seemingly odd because "God told him to" (unlike Rory Fallon).

Can you get that redic massive tank off your posts!

Oracle!

The talk is now of inexperienced Bahrain coach Anthony Hudson - but he is the son of Alan so sort of Brit football royalty in a way. This is all looking more and more tragic. Andy Martin was a bad choice in my opinion, he's only going to compound this with his own decisions. He's a London City banker, not a footballer. 

Ramon would have been a good AW choice from a players point of view but he doesn't "fit" NZF. If we're going to choose an inexperienced Brit coach then lets go with Emblen, who has a good track record with local players and shows enterprise in his performances. He has also played the game at a decent level, unlike Hudson jnr. NZF are a shambles and it's going to end in tears.

I wish ACFC's Ivan Vuksich ran NZF, then we'd have a properly run outfit that actually knew what it was doing. ACFC is a shining beacon of how to run the game in comparison to NZF.

Kingz and not average - finished 8th both seasons in a 16 team league, far better than any other coach had done until Herbert at the Phoenix but he was doing it all on no budget.

PNG U20's - they beat New Cal for the first time in their history at this tournament. Players very raw so a tough job v Tahiti, Vanuatu, Fiji - all teams with a lot more time together etc too.

I wouldn't under estimate his coaching ability.

What style do his teams tend to play?

He is a Brit, therefore he must be shit .  Ramon is a Spaniard. he must be brilliant.

Martin did not play so he must be shit. Perhaps Fred de Jong should have got the job.

If we are thinking outside the square, where would John Herdman be placed?

Don't see Herdman leaving Canada with the womans world cup in Canada next year.

Anthony Hudson likened by 'arry Rednapp to "a young Jose Mourinho." Sounds like a manager/coach after my own heart! Also sounds like it may have been Ryan Nelson who tipped the nod to NZF. Possibly.

PS In fact he has studied under not only 'arry (at Spurs) but under Mourinho (at Real M) and Bielsa (at Alteltico M)! (see wiki)

Get him here! Now!

1) Andy Martin has played football to a reasonable level in the UK.

2) How can you say it is a bad choice unless you know the other candidates.

3) Given the man a chance before you write him off.

4) You don't have to be a good player to be a good coach.

Do you think the coaches mentioned can get us pasted Mexico/Uruguay/ Uzbekistand in a 2 leg play off?. 

i don't think jesus (with wynton as assistant) could get us past the first 2

I am pretty sure any coach could get us pasted. I think we probably want him to help us get past those teams though

i like the sound of this hudson chap.  

i still think ramon tribuliasterix would be an interesting proposition, but it makes me nervous.  

wynton and shane are starting to sound like a good plan b.  i'd rather them that many of the others mentioned in this thread.  and i'm assuming that shane would be on board with wynton which of course might not be the case.

"The games I watch, my style of play and what I'm passionate about - none of these things are in England. They are in Germany, Spain, Chile and elsewhere in South America."

- Anthony Hudson, quoted in the UK Guardian, October 2013

Then he cant be all bad!!!!!!!

Also the coach has to forget about the Euro All White guys as they pick and choose when there ready to play. He would have to base his team/tactics around local and Australian base players. There is no use trying to build a team and system when Euro snobs are not there to understand it.

Fair points, I'll hold my fire. I hope you're right and it does all turn out glowingly. It just feels like that old sinking feeling.

Actually if it's both Rufer brothers I'd rather go for that.

I'd rather Anthony Hudson any day than the 'Rufers'. There is far to many players in NZ that get called up because they have a 'name' and not what they can do on the pitch. That's why Ramon would have been a breath of fresh air because he would have picked players because of what they can do on the pitch rather than what their second name is!

Hopefully this Hudson guy will be the same! although cant see why anyone would give up good money in Bahrain and coach one game a year here!

Not even if I was paid compensation for having to watch.

Would Bahrain allow us to talk to Anthony Hudson considering the Asian Cup is next year?

Fact is players had stopped buying into Ricki's methods by the end and there is clearly an element of disillusionment with the national team programme currently.  Put together a new young, talented coach with a decent programme of internationals and you will get the guys back playing.  Don't underestimate the fact that there is very little to gain for players playing friendlies in non-FIFA windows under an interim manager.

Like the sound of this Hudson guy. Young and hungry.....just what we need. Light on coaching experiance but has done some good work in Bahrain.

Just wondering though......In June 2013 he signed a two year extension as Bahrain national coach....so he's locked in until June 2015. He coached Bahrain to qualify for the 2015 Asian Cup in Australia.

Why would you give up the chance to coach Bahrain at a major international competition? Bahrain play WC qualifiers in Asia, NZ play in Oceania. Bigger games against better opposition in Asia.

Why would you give up a big middle eastern salary to coach the Aw's for $125,000???? per year.

Why would the Bahrain FA tear up a contract for the guy who has got them the best results in ages?(he was offered another 2 year extension in Feb 2014 so Bahrain want to keep him) 

If this guy is ready to walk out on his Bahrain contact after 18 months is he just as likely to walk out on his AW contract early?. Especially when he sees what a dog the whole NZF/Oceania setup is.

Still....if we get him and he stays, he appears to be a much better option than some of the other names we have heard.

At least it shows that they are wanting the same sort of person that we want. Someone that is young, hungry, and plays a modern game.

 To be fair, Sanchez has some good experience, having played hundreds of games in England's top flight for Wimbledon, including scoring the winner in the 1988 FA Cup Final v. Liverpool. Followed by starting in coaching as Joe Kinnear's assistant at Wimbledon and then a few years at Wycombe in the third tier, including taking them to an FA Cup semi-final vs. Liverpool (held them 0-0 for most of the match). Five months in charge at Fulham in 2007 (saved them from relegation in 32 day caretaker stint at end of 2006-7 but replaced at the end of the year).

From 2004 - 2007 he was one of Northern Ireland's most successful ever managers:

 When Sanchez was appointed manager of Northern Ireland in January 2004 they "were ranked 124th in the world, had a 1,298 minute-long goal drought, and had not won a game for nearly three years. Northern Ireland improved markedly under Sanchez. By the time he left, Northern Ireland were top of their Euro 2008 qualification group and reached an all-time high position of 27th in the world."

"Notable results during his tenure included a 1–0 victory against England in a World Cup qualifying match, a 1–1 draw against Portugal who went on to reach the 2006 World Cup semi-finals, a 2–1 win over Sweden and a 3–2 win against eventual Euro 2008 winners Spain in a Euro 2008 qualification match."

 Last season Sanchez was brought in to Greek Superleague club Apollon Smyrnis halfway through the season but couldn't save them from relegation.

 Interesting fact - Lawrie Sanchez once played alongside George Best and 1966 World Cup winner Martin Peters against the All Whites  for Reading - on the UK tour in 1984.

Some Reading lineup!!! Best and Peters were guest players for Reading. One of George Best's last games in professional football at age 38.

Attracted a lot of publicity at the time. I think NZ's first win over an English club on English soil. A good All Whites side.

Match details:

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesn/nz-intres-det80.html#...

Oct 29, Reading, Elm Park, 3890 

Reading 1 - 2 New Zealand 

(Stuart Beavon 68' - Grant Turner 24', Colin Walker 59') 

Reading: Alan Judge, Steve Richardson, Martin Hicks (Stuart Beavon), Colin Duncan, Ken Price, Dean Horrix, Trevor Senior, Lawrie Sanchez, David Crown, Martin Peters, George Best. Coach: n/a 

New Zealand: Clint Gosling, Richard Herbert, Keith Garland, Allan Boath [c], John Leijh (Martin Felton), Grant Turner, Peter Simonsen (Steve Sumner), Raymond Harris (Keith Mackay), William McClure, Colin Walker, Kevin Birch (Steve Wooddin). Coach: Allan Jones. 

Referee: D Keen (England).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10246039/Bahrain-coach-tipped-to-take-over-the-All-Whites

Bit nervous about his now. Although guess this means Roman is in the final three.