All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

The next All Whites coach

1207 replies · 212,695 views
14 Jul 06:45

Makes sense. I guess he/his agent is probably using the opportunity to raise his profile in the UK by being 'in-demand' in the hope of getting a job offer later when he's finished with his Bahrain stint.

14 Jul 07:24

I don't mind a Mike Hesson type appointment with the national team...



14 Jul 07:36
My two cents is that dowie is in the final three and will get the gig. My balls my word

Auckland will rise once more

14 Jul 07:47

Terrible if so. Ramon/Neil done


14 Jul 08:04

huge wrote:

Makes sense. I guess he/his agent is probably using the opportunity to raise his profile in the UK by being 'in-demand' in the hope of getting a job offer later when he's finished with his Bahrain stint.

This

Hudson comes across as super ambitious. Why would he turn down  a chance to coach Bahrain in a fairly major tournament next January??( Asian Cup). If he does well there he will put him self in the shop window for bigger and better jobs.However If he took the AW job he would get the occasional friendly match then over the next two years he would disappear into the wilderness of Honiara, Noumea etc with the Oceania WC playoffs. The carrot would be Confederation Cup in 2017 but you would hardly imagine that would be a big enough incentive to spend the next two or three years in a football backwater on low pay and poorly resourced. 

If it is down to Ramon, Farina or some old UK hack then please please let it be Ramon. He could get a two year appointment and they could reassess it when they see how he has done after the Oceania qualifiers. I could accept Ramon....but Farina..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

14 Jul 08:10

I hope it's Farina just to piss off Hard News

Founder

14 Jul 08:33

austin10 wrote:

huge wrote:

Makes sense. I guess he/his agent is probably using the opportunity to raise his profile in the UK by being 'in-demand' in the hope of getting a job offer later when he's finished with his Bahrain stint.

This

Hudson comes across as super ambitious. Why would he turn down  a chance to coach Bahrain in a fairly major tournament next January??( Asian Cup). If he does well there he will put him self in the shop window for bigger and better jobs.However If he took the AW job he would get the occasional friendly match then over the next two years he would disappear into the wilderness of Honiara, Noumea etc with the Oceania WC playoffs. The carrot would be Confederation Cup in 2017 but you would hardly imagine that would be a big enough incentive to spend the next two or three years in a football backwater on low pay and poorly resourced. 

If it is down to Ramon, Farina or some old UK hack then please please let it be Ramon. He could get a two year appointment and they could reassess it when they see how he has done after the Oceania qualifiers. I could accept Ramon....but Farina..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

It does beg the question why the chief executive is picking the head coach.  Football decisions should be made by football people

Normo's coming home

14 Jul 09:32

FDJ is on the panel

14 Jul 12:56

Even costa rica coach is on 500k a year


14 Jul 21:36

TV wrote:

Even costa rica coach is on 500k a year

why is that a surprise? they play plenty of games and would be able to afford that

14 Jul 22:17

I've probably missed it but where has this talk of the job paying $125k come from?

14 Jul 22:21

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Grumpy old bastard alert

14 Jul 22:22

I've probably missed it but where has this talk of the job paying $125k come from?

I may have started that rumour. I kinda said 'ooohhh TABs 500k. As an idea, give that to the AW coach over 4 years, = $125k pa. It was an idea that seems to have become fact when its not.

Grumpy old bastard alert

14 Jul 22:22

2ndBest wrote:

FDJ is on the panel

He did say football people.

Grumpy old bastard alert

14 Jul 23:17

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

14 Jul 23:20

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Maradona managed Argentina

Founder

14 Jul 23:24

Feverish wrote:

Maradona managed Argentina

And a fine job he did too....

Three for me, and two for them.

14 Jul 23:25

Feverish wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Maradona managed Argentina

Yeah but he was a national hero for them. That'd be more like if Rufer got the gig. Plus Maradona's time in charge of Argentina was a shambles.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

14 Jul 23:48

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Yeah but it just takes one meeting to explain that away and for them to go 'well we have a clean slate policy here' and shit is done.

Grumpy old bastard alert

14 Jul 23:55

Jeff Vader wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Yeah but it just takes one meeting to explain that away and for them to go 'well we have a clean slate policy here' and shit is done.

It was a lapse in judgement; those journos looked at me funny; long ball is bound to make a comeback eventually then we'll look ahead of the curve.

Done. 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

15 Jul 04:34

Feverish wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Maradona managed Argentina

Yeah but he was a national hero for them. That'd be more like if Rufer got the gig. Plus Maradona's time in charge of Argentina was a shambles.

Was also addicted to cocaine for 20 years, shooting an air rifle  at reporters and driving over a photographer's foot.

Fantastic bloke.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

15 Jul 05:23

Leggy wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Maradona managed Argentina

Yeah but he was a national hero for them. That'd be more like if Rufer got the gig. Plus Maradona's time in charge of Argentina was a shambles.

Was also addicted to cocaine for 20 years, shooting an air rifle  at reporters and driving over a photographer's foot.

Fantastic bloke.

Makes Farina look like a pussycat.

15 Jul 05:54

Farina has taken a Director of Football role at the Fijian Football Association. Whether that means he could take the role as All Whites coach on a part time basis, I do not know. Would seem like a complete conflict of interest for me.

Here's to hoping...

15 Jul 06:04

Just had another read of his Wiki page. Why take the risk?

15 Jul 06:06

james dean wrote:

austin10 wrote:

huge wrote:

Makes sense. I guess he/his agent is probably using the opportunity to raise his profile in the UK by being 'in-demand' in the hope of getting a job offer later when he's finished with his Bahrain stint.

This

Hudson comes across as super ambitious. Why would he turn down  a chance to coach Bahrain in a fairly major tournament next January??( Asian Cup). If he does well there he will put him self in the shop window for bigger and better jobs.However If he took the AW job he would get the occasional friendly match then over the next two years he would disappear into the wilderness of Honiara, Noumea etc with the Oceania WC playoffs. The carrot would be Confederation Cup in 2017 but you would hardly imagine that would be a big enough incentive to spend the next two or three years in a football backwater on low pay and poorly resourced. 

If it is down to Ramon, Farina or some old UK hack then please please let it be Ramon. He could get a two year appointment and they could reassess it when they see how he has done after the Oceania qualifiers. I could accept Ramon....but Farina..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

It does beg the question why the chief executive is picking the head coach.  Football decisions should be made by football people

Correct, which does beg the question, err, why is a non-football person the CEO of NZF in the first place?

15 Jul 07:04

Correct, which does beg the question, err, why is a non-football person the CEO of NZF in the first place?

[/quote]

Because being a footballer does not automatically qualify someone to run a multi million dollar enterprise. Why not give John Terry a call, he's a good footballer and seems like a top bloke also!!

I would rather have a guy who knows jack shit about football, but is a proven CEO steering NZF than someone with very little business sense potentially steering us in to financial oblivion.

Let those around him with experience of NZ football help inform him and guide him. If he has any real ability as a leader, he'll listen to those in the know and go from there.

NZF is a business and should be run as such.

15 Jul 07:19

 "Let those around him with experience of NZ football help inform him and guide him"

O God , not more of this.....

15 Jul 07:20

FU BLU wrote:

 "Let those around him with experience of NZ football help inform him and guide him"

O God , not more of this.....

give Mr Herbert something to do till the Addidas checque clears....

15 Jul 08:41

How did it work having FVH as the over lord. He was a WC goal keeper you know.....

Grumpy old bastard alert

15 Jul 08:42

DKP22 wrote:

Farina has taken a Director of Football role at the Fijian Football Association. Whether that means he could take the role as All Whites coach on a part time basis, I do not know. Would seem like a complete conflict of interest for me.

Here's to hoping...

I really really hope this is true. It then comes down to Ramon and Hudson. You would think the job is Ramons then...

Grumpy old bastard alert

15 Jul 18:52

Article in Herald ...Ramon out

15 Jul 19:34

So while Hudson appeals as being an attractive alternative to the names out there, the reality is two of the three names are people that we as fans probably don't want to see.

Unless there is a dark horse...

Grumpy old bastard alert

15 Jul 20:47

FU BLU wrote:

Article in Herald ...Ramon out

link?

Founder

15 Jul 20:51

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10270431/Three-still-in-the-mix-for-All-Whites-coaching-job

Grumpy old bastard alert

15 Jul 21:20

Would NZF be open to this Bahrainy chap starting after the Asian Cup in January? Just a thought.

15 Jul 21:29

Leggy wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Maradona managed Argentina

Yeah but he was a national hero for them. That'd be more like if Rufer got the gig. Plus Maradona's time in charge of Argentina was a shambles.

Was also addicted to cocaine for 20 years, shooting an air rifle  at reporters and driving over a photographer's foot.

Fantastic bloke.

...never paid tax in Italy but is at the same time big fan of Fidel Castro...is the only footballer I remember that get caught doping.

15 Jul 21:31 · edited 15 Jul 21:32 · History

It's going to be Fallon. Dark horse. Old nag.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

15 Jul 21:39

number8 wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Trouble is two of the selection panel(Martin and the NZ sports guy) are new on the local football scene. Farina's CV probably looks great. Coached Australia, assistant at a WC, coached in Asia and the Pacific.....knows the A-League and Asian scene. But they probably don't know what a c**t he is.

That's what worries me.

Hopefully they have enough sense to read his Wikipedia page which discusses his drink-driving on the way to training, his punch up with journalists, and just the general criticism of his style of play...

I just can't see how someone with that sort of record would be the choice of an organization trying to build some credibility after some public shambles. But of course this is NZF we are talking about. 

Maradona managed Argentina

Yeah but he was a national hero for them. That'd be more like if Rufer got the gig. Plus Maradona's time in charge of Argentina was a shambles.

Was also addicted to cocaine for 20 years, shooting an air rifle  at reporters and driving over a photographer's foot.

Fantastic bloke.

...never paid tax in Italy but is at the same time big fan of Fidel Castro...is the only footballer I remember that get caught doping.

Troy Hearfield.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

15 Jul 21:41

Fitzy wrote:

Would NZF be open to this Bahrainy chap starting after the Asian Cup in January? Just a thought.

You would wonder. It gets around the issue of needing a release and what competition have the AWs got between now and Jan other than a couple of friendlies...

Grumpy old bastard alert

15 Jul 22:22

With career scapegoat Lochead and his understudy Lia impressing when released from the Ricki Herbert shackles, it just goes to show how much a coach can not only influence a team but a players potential. 

This is a critical appointment and one that NZF are bound to get wrong, I guess if there are any silver linings you would hope that Ramon or Emblem would be available on short notice when everything goes pear shaped.