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The next All Whites coach

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14 Dec 03:17

Disagree...with alcohol involved ...strongly !

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14 Dec 03:41

THE CATALUNYAN is the man HE SHOWED HE HAS THE KNOW HOW,   even tough  SERGIO BATISTA WAS RUMOURED  2 WEEKS AGO TO TAKE OVER NZ ACCORDING  FOX SPORTS LATIN

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14 Dec 04:52 · edited 14 Dec 04:53 · History
Bluemagic wrote:
austin10 wrote:

After the AC performances against Casablanca and Espanyol in the last few days you would have to think Ramon has improved his chances of getting the AWs job. It shows he can step up to the big time. AC looked well drilled and disciplined at the WCC. His side  tried to play football but more importantly were very well organised in defense...something that NZ sides have to be against the big guys. Would love to see Ramon work with  talented youngster like Rojas, Thomas, Costa Tuiloma etc....

Ryan Thomas just played another 90 minutes for PEC Zwolle in the Dutch Eredivisie, and Herbert chose to play someone who hadn't kicked a ball in earnest for two years in midfield instead for the game at the Azteca. Ramon would definitely be a significant improvement, but then any half decent coach would be. I'm just so glad Herbert's finally gone. I think the problem is Ramon is too closely associated with ACFC for some on this forum.


I didn't realise Thomas was a defensive midfielder.  


Edit: On you last point, I wouldn't have an issue if NZF appointed Ramon

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14 Dec 08:38

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.

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14 Dec 09:01

Jerzy Merino wrote:
chopah wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
austin10 wrote:

After the AC performances against Casablanca and Espanyol in the last few days you would have to think Ramon has improved his chances of getting the AWs job. It shows he can step up to the big time. AC looked well drilled and disciplined at the WCC. His side  tried to play football but more importantly were very well organised in defense...something that NZ sides have to be against the big guys. Would love to see Ramon work with  talented youngster like Rojas, Thomas, Costa Tuiloma etc....

Ryan Thomas just played another 90 minutes for PEC Zwolle in the Dutch Eredivisie, and Herbert chose to play someone who hadn't kicked a ball in earnest for two years in midfield instead for the game at the Azteca. Ramon would definitely be a significant improvement, but then any half decent coach would be. I'm just so glad Herbert's finally gone. I think the problem is Ramon is too closely associated with ACFC for some on this forum.

so what - it's not like the people on this forum choose who the all whites manager is now do they?  the only reason you have mentioned that is too have a dig - not very mature!


^ Agree. Crap point Bluemagic.


You know Blue Magic, if you are going to make statements like that (and I strongly suspect you are going to attempt to point the finger at me) you should remember the following

1: This forum has a search function now

2: Anyone you call out, you better be able to back that up with posts saying so.

So.... who are these people who in your opinion, feel that way? (and before you point the finger at me, I strongly suggest you use the search tool)

I think you are talking out of a hole in you ass.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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15 Dec 21:41
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.

Import - from where - Waitakere United? Like Chris Bale and Darren White (Canterbury United). An import to me is a player brought in from overseas specifically, not a well established ASBP player already who lives in this country. Just because a player was originally born overseas don't make him an import.

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15 Dec 21:45 · edited 15 Dec 21:54 · History
Jeff Vader wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:
chopah wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
austin10 wrote:

After the AC performances against Casablanca and Espanyol in the last few days you would have to think Ramon has improved his chances of getting the AWs job. It shows he can step up to the big time. AC looked well drilled and disciplined at the WCC. His side  tried to play football but more importantly were very well organised in defense...something that NZ sides have to be against the big guys. Would love to see Ramon work with  talented youngster like Rojas, Thomas, Costa Tuiloma etc....

Ryan Thomas just played another 90 minutes for PEC Zwolle in the Dutch Eredivisie, and Herbert chose to play someone who hadn't kicked a ball in earnest for two years in midfield instead for the game at the Azteca. Ramon would definitely be a significant improvement, but then any half decent coach would be. I'm just so glad Herbert's finally gone. I think the problem is Ramon is too closely associated with ACFC for some on this forum.

so what - it's not like the people on this forum choose who the all whites manager is now do they?  the only reason you have mentioned that is too have a dig - not very mature!


^ Agree. Crap point Bluemagic.


You know Blue Magic, if you are going to make statements like that (and I strongly suspect you are going to attempt to point the finger at me) you should remember the following

1: This forum has a search function now

2: Anyone you call out, you better be able to back that up with posts saying so.

So.... who are these people who in your opinion, feel that way? (and before you point the finger at me, I strongly suggest you use the search tool)

I think you are talking out of a hole in you ass.

I would call you out JV but you haven't the integrity to come clean on your identity and you hide behind a silly moniker. Perhaps going on the sheer blizzard of your postings on every subject imaginable there are more than one of you. What would that be - a posse of JVs, a gaggle, a horde?

PS - Do you mean arse? I thought an ass had four legs and long ears.

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15 Dec 21:47
Bluemagic wrote:
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.

Import - from where - Waitakere United? Like Chris Bale and Darren White (Canterbury United). An import to me is a player brought in from overseas specifically, not a well established ASBP player already who lives in this country. Just because a player was originally born overseas don't make him an import.

Krishna has been here since 2008 when he signed for Waitak and trialled unsuccesfully for the Nix. So 5 coming up 6 years in NZ.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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15 Dec 22:01
Jerzy Merino wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.

Import - from where - Waitakere United? Like Chris Bale and Darren White (Canterbury United). An import to me is a player brought in from overseas specifically, not a well established ASBP player already who lives in this country. Just because a player was originally born overseas don't make him an import.

Krishna has been here since 2008 when he signed for Waitak and trialled unsuccesfully for the Nix. So 5 coming up 6 years in NZ.

So do you think he's an import or a "Kiwi" by now? This whole "ACFC is full of imports" bandwagon has to rest on branding anyone not born in NZ is an import by default, no matter how long they've been in the country, or whether they're a NZ resident or not. Any immigrant is thus an import. The whole of the ASBP has lots of players not born in NZ, does that make them all imports? I think the current Canterbury United first squad has a majority born overseas.

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16 Dec 00:05

Krishna doesn't satisfy the criteria to be classified as a local. Has not lived here 5 years continuously.

 

As a question, did you classify Riera as a local for ASBP because the FFA have him as an import. You really should stop taking the piss. You are well aware of what we are on about. FIFAs definition of what is an import and what is not. You only try to confuse it because you know you are wrong.

Go tell the FFA that Ifill, Stein and Riera are not imports because they live here. You'd get laughed out the building.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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16 Dec 00:07 · edited 16 Dec 00:09 · History
Bluemagic wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:
chopah wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
austin10 wrote:

After the AC performances against Casablanca and Espanyol in the last few days you would have to think Ramon has improved his chances of getting the AWs job. It shows he can step up to the big time. AC looked well drilled and disciplined at the WCC. His side  tried to play football but more importantly were very well organised in defense...something that NZ sides have to be against the big guys. Would love to see Ramon work with  talented youngster like Rojas, Thomas, Costa Tuiloma etc....

Ryan Thomas just played another 90 minutes for PEC Zwolle in the Dutch Eredivisie, and Herbert chose to play someone who hadn't kicked a ball in earnest for two years in midfield instead for the game at the Azteca. Ramon would definitely be a significant improvement, but then any half decent coach would be. I'm just so glad Herbert's finally gone. I think the problem is Ramon is too closely associated with ACFC for some on this forum.

so what - it's not like the people on this forum choose who the all whites manager is now do they?  the only reason you have mentioned that is too have a dig - not very mature!


^ Agree. Crap point Bluemagic.


You know Blue Magic, if you are going to make statements like that (and I strongly suspect you are going to attempt to point the finger at me) you should remember the following

1: This forum has a search function now

2: Anyone you call out, you better be able to back that up with posts saying so.

So.... who are these people who in your opinion, feel that way? (and before you point the finger at me, I strongly suggest you use the search tool)

I think you are talking out of a hole in you ass.

I would call you out JV but you haven't the integrity to come clean on your identity and you hide behind a silly moniker. Perhaps going on the sheer blizzard of your postings on every subject imaginable there are more than one of you. What would that be - a posse of JVs, a gaggle, a horde?

PS - Do you mean arse? I thought an ass had four legs and long ears.

Ad hominem rather than address the point aye? Didn't have one then I guess. Still care to name those people?

My name age former occupation etc are all freely available on this site if you cared to use the search function. I have not a clue who you are but you don't see me calling you out but yet you too hide behind a silly moniker.

Guess you didn't have a point after all.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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16 Dec 00:15

So back on topic, does any one have an issue with Ramon? Please raise your hand and shut down the troll.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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16 Dec 00:27

Yes bluemagic, JV is a former columnist for the Sunday Star Times and his name is Billy Harris...


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16 Dec 00:39
TV wrote:

Yes bluemagic, JV is a former columnist for the Sunday Star Times and his name is Billy Harris...

*shush* I paid you well not to divulge that.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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16 Dec 01:33
Jeff Vader wrote:
TV wrote:

Yes bluemagic, JV is a former columnist for the Sunday Star Times and his name is Billy Harris...

*shush* I paid you well not to divulge that.


Lol. JV gave his age a few weeks ago and Billy is not that old.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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16 Dec 11:24 · edited 16 Dec 11:27 · History
Jeff Vader wrote:

So back on topic, does any one have an issue with Ramon? Please raise your hand and shut down the troll.


He (Ramon) probably could do the job, However we can say that about a lot of people. I think it falls back on NZF and how much it means to them getting the All Whites to the next world cup.

I cant see NZF naming a full time coach until after the 2015 U20 World Cup. So who gets the gig for the Japan game Blanko?Neil?.

 

Mr Positive

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16 Dec 20:46


Villas-Boas

I LOVE LAMP

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16 Dec 22:48

That was a harsh call. Need time to gel if you're bringing in that many players. Has 2nd best winning percentage for club too


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17 Dec 00:29

tribuletx, Ramón,   is the man , at the correct price, affordable, street wise for footie school, and knowledge  to raise your footie kids. NZ


bring him asap

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17 Dec 01:13

Er... how familiar are you with the local set-up Jav? Beyond what you read on this forum? Just wondering.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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17 Dec 02:16
Jerzy Merino wrote:

Er... how familiar are you with the local set-up Jav? Beyond what you read on this forum? Just wondering.

So much this. Endorse.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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17 Dec 02:42

RAJA CASALANCA  VS AUCKLAND CITY AND  MONTERREY...   enough .  SERGIO BATISTA WAS NAMED ON FOX SPORTS  FOR NZ, an ambitious call if it goes on,   any news there ?

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17 Dec 04:30

No and i highly doubt it considering nzf is still reviewing last campaign


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18 Dec 20:35
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Well Vader if this is correct I am glad I called you on your sauce. By the way I don think you are a troll but knew it would make you divulge a little more, so I am glad it worked. What does everyone think of Raul? I can see the positives but to be honest wanted a clean break and something new

How is my sauce tasting now :o)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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20 Dec 03:21
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.


Totally agree... How many kiwis are actually in the starting X1 at Auckland. It's all very well buying in a team and winning an amateur competition but playing with the cards you are dealt at an international level is very different...
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20 Dec 03:49
MrWaikato wrote:
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.


Totally agree... How many kiwis are actually in the starting X1 at Auckland. It's all very well buying in a team and winning an amateur competition but playing with the cards you are dealt at an international level is very different...


Similar sort of number as in the All Whites... McG (Talks like me so must be Scottish), Barbarouses (It's all Greek to me), Tommy Smith (English), Shane Smeltz (German), Leo Bertos (Sounds Greek to me), Marco Rojas (Funny name - must be Chilean), Ivan Vicelich (Not 27th generation Kiwi so must be Croatian). etc etc

Auckland City FC

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20 Dec 03:51
alireggae wrote:
MrWaikato wrote:
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.


Totally agree... How many kiwis are actually in the starting X1 at Auckland. It's all very well buying in a team and winning an amateur competition but playing with the cards you are dealt at an international level is very different...


Similar sort of number as in the All Whites... McG (Talks like me so must be Scottish), Barbarouses (It's all Greek to me), Tommy Smith (English), Shane Smeltz (German), Leo Bertos (Sounds Greek to me), Marco Rojas (Funny name - must be Chilean), Ivan Vicelich (Not 27th generation Kiwi so must be Croatian). etc etc

 

you don't get it do you?  he is saying... ah bugger it, your too stubborn to even listen to anyone else.

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20 Dec 03:54
chopah wrote:
alireggae wrote:
MrWaikato wrote:
Marto wrote:

I'm still not convinced how he would perform without the help of Spanish ringins.  When ACFC start playing with a squad of predominetly kiwi players the way they are now I will be convinced.  No dig at his ACFC connections but I think he is too reliant on importing talent ala Krishna.


Totally agree... How many kiwis are actually in the starting X1 at Auckland. It's all very well buying in a team and winning an amateur competition but playing with the cards you are dealt at an international level is very different...


Similar sort of number as in the All Whites... McG (Talks like me so must be Scottish), Barbarouses (It's all Greek to me), Tommy Smith (English), Shane Smeltz (German), Leo Bertos (Sounds Greek to me), Marco Rojas (Funny name - must be Chilean), Ivan Vicelich (Not 27th generation Kiwi so must be Croatian). etc etc

 

you don't get it do you?  he is saying... ah bugger it, your too stubborn to even listen to anyone else.


I get it but I like to stir it up... And I have a sense on humour.

Auckland City FC

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20 Dec 03:55

stirring would be an understatment it would seem.

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23 Dec 20:37

Given that Hay has gone on the record as saying no one in NZ is good enough (something I'm inclined to agree with) who else of pedigree could we really expect from off these shores?

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23 Dec 22:18

So what is it that people want out of a new national coach?

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24 Dec 00:47

not enmeshed in the NZF trough....

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24 Dec 00:55

He picks players with clubs!


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24 Dec 01:28

Seriously, what is it that an overseas coach can provide that we can't get from a nz or aussie based coach? Bearing in mind we probably won't be in the market for a hiddink type coach

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24 Dec 03:08
FU BLU wrote:

not enmeshed in the NZF trough....

you are not directing that at Ramon and Neil are you or am I reading what you say wrong?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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24 Dec 03:10

Danny Hay is only in it for one thing - Danny Hay.

Ask him where the cash comes from and the relevance of appointing an international coach for the next 18 months when we are unlikely to play and it's safe to say that the top 20 players have largely been identified and would play so a domestic coach that can coach ala Ramon would have no issues.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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24 Dec 04:38
Napier Phoenix wrote:

So what is it that people want out of a new national coach?

Two key things for me - tactical flexibility and the respect of the players. We need someone who can develop plans for 2 or 3 very different types of situation and can get the team playing them accordingly. Games against Island nations need a very different approach to knockout qualifying matches against mid level Asian or central American sides, and if we make it that far then confeds cup/WC games against the big boys are another thing again. This is even more exaggerated by our lack of depth - injuries in crucial positions might require a complete rethink too. All of which is where I think Ricki's tenure went haywire - the WC year he got a tactical approach working well, but never developed anything else when it was clear it wasn't working. I also think he lost the respect of his players, see point 2

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24 Dec 06:53
ConanTroutman wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:

So what is it that people want out of a new national coach?

Two key things for me - tactical flexibility and the respect of the players. We need someone who can develop plans for 2 or 3 very different types of situation and can get the team playing them accordingly. Games against Island nations need a very different approach to knockout qualifying matches against mid level Asian or central American sides, and if we make it that far then confeds cup/WC games against the big boys are another thing again. This is even more exaggerated by our lack of depth - injuries in crucial positions might require a complete rethink too. All of which is where I think Ricki's tenure went haywire - the WC year he got a tactical approach working well, but never developed anything else when it was clear it wasn't working. I also think he lost the respect of his players, see point 2
I think that's on the money. I want to see him coach a football plan but understand that on this day with these players against these teams, we'll shape like this.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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