The next All Whites coach

Some members of the All Whites didn't even have a club and were also lacking fitness to participate in the biggest tournament in the world SO why were these players selected ...............????

Sorry just spent 30 minutes reading this forum. Wow! Obviously all football people or you would not bother. Having said that why would you give our anti- football media even more fodder to work with.

Most of those pricks sit there sharpening their rugby funded pencils waiting to launch into any sport that threatens the Rugby profile. Similarly those on Radio.

So we lost 5 - 1 against Mexico. Germany lost 5 - 1 against England a few years ago. 5 or 6 goal results happen in the Premier League and all major leagues. These guys a rightly ranked 50 places ahead of us.

Our reaction "Lynch the Coach" "Castrate the players."

Christie a fabulous young man who led us to our first ever Junior World Cup result against Poland, along with Vicilich who at 37 still gets out there in NZ's top club team. Our right back, Tony Lockhead, a fantastic servant of our club and country as is Leo. None had a good game let alone a great one in Mexico, but when called they were there battling. None did not believe it was possible to get a result, they all wanted it and their coach obviously believed in them. 

Can you not remember the immediate positive reaction to Ricki getting involved with the Knights. A Kiwi actually stepping up and taking on a role so many had failed in. Hey! Made in New Zealand on his backside.He also took on the All Whites. He got some positive results. TS and whoever in Wellington saw him as the guy to start the Phoenix and he did so. Not always winning but always there, and at times bloody exciting. We loved them in Christchurch.

Then he delivered us The All Whites, now lets get serious UNDEFEATED at a World Cup. "Nuts" to your one off upsets, Herbet pulled off three on the trot on the worlds biggest sporting stage. That was after outfoxing Bahrain to get there. have you forgotten that night.

To do all this he sold himself to football, moved from Auckland to Wellington with his family. Went overseas on numerous occasions to get the best possible advise and qualifications, chased every possible player with a Kiwi connection.                                                        He has since set a record of results in World Football, using players, the majority of whom struggle to make a decent living out of the game, unprecedented in NZ Football or anywhere in the world.

The timing, having Lord Nelsen ( I live in Christchurch) along with a couple of big kids (panel beaters) with potential, one other football brain (Simon) some really mediocre ( sorry lads !) lower division players and a GK on speed, all determined to be absolute heroes was incredible. He did (just like Adsie and Fallon before him) have to select them. He did (incredibly) devise a plan that worked. No other team in Sth Africa lined up in such an innovative way. Those players got us there. Those players still playing, put their hands up again to play Mexico. He picked them again.

This time they failed (in Mexico), no Nelsen, no Elliott, no Reid, what did you expect. We had our miracle in 2010, not saying we wont get another one (we also had one in 1982). Naïve to think others could step in to replace them, probably, used two players to replace Ryan. Who else would you have picked? Every coach has put their faith in those that have done it before, sometimes it works.

I would suggest he put his trust in some players who have served him superbly in the past. He was not rewarded this time. Who would you have seriously looked to in order to bring on another miracle. Our most talented kid had one good turn and tripped into trouble. neither he nor any of them are world class. Even Nelsen only had a world class brain. 

This was Mexico, a result important to us but essential for them. Two hundred players with more ability than ours to pick from. Sure we could have picked kids and sent them out to play. We did it a few weeks ago against Uruguay. 5 -1 it would have been 10 -1 against Mexico if we had gone out the same way, and we would now hear calls of naïve, too young and under prepared 

Where to from here. Stop all the crap and ask Ricki Herbert for his assessment of what should happen, along with Brian turner they can give us the best informed plan. Then we start again, get into the confederations, get some game time and lets move on.

Unless!!!! Did not we put 4 past Mexico in 1981.

Good Luck on Wednesday Ricki and The All Whites.       

You are talking about Christie right HN? Cos Ivan, Smith and Durante need some walkie talkies out there to know where each other are and what they're doing...

actually on the Mexican theory it probably would have been a good idea to start Siggie and Dura as a combination who knows each others play really well...

As uninspiring as Herbert's tactics last Wednesday

You are talking about Christie right HN? Cos Ivan, Smith and Durante need some walkie talkies out there to know where each other are and what they're doing...

actually on the Mexican theory it probably would have been a good idea to start Siggie and Dura as a combination who knows each others play really well...

I shall be chanting "Ricki Herberts, All White Army" on wednesday night.

Feel free to join in!

Thank you

Would it not be better to go with "We are New Zealand's All White Army"?  That way both the general public and the small deluded few who still support Herbert can join in.

How would people feel about a foreign coach? Not sure how much Ricki gets paid each year (probably not a lot) but to move forward searching for someone from Europe would be a positive approach. There is some good coaches coming through in NZ but with a good group of young players coming through now we need someone to mould them into an exciting attacking side. 

Oz have had mixed success opting for foreign coaches over the years, and I'm not saying we should copy them, just keep our options open. 

A young coach, who has worked under an experienced manager in Europe for a bit. 

I see Middlesbrough FC appointed Jose Mourinho's old number two at Real Madrid as their new manager yesterday (Karanka?) 

I agree JV (huge round of cheers) but unfortunately I think there's little prospect of Popovic taking the AWs job. I don't think West Sydney would share him, it's a vibrant club where he's well looked after. He's also just finding his feet as an A League club manager. His name came up for the vacant Crystal Palace job and he didn't go for that.

The more I think about it the more I think Ramon Tribulietx would be a good candidate for the AWs job, if given a free hand from the old guard. However I don't want to lose him from ACFC as his possession-based attacking style is starting to come to fruition. Would he want to give up the annual Club World Cup adventure for a part-time international coaching role? It would certainly be a refreshing continental change of style from the dour Herbert years and he does know NZ football. However if Herbert moves upstairs then it's not going to matter, because nothing is really going to change. It's either a completely fresh break or more of the same.

Added to Popovic's case is that he has WSW playing a style of football that I think could well suit the AWs. ie counter-attack coupled with a solid base and some good possession based stuff in the mids.

On Tribulietx - is there a reason why he couldn't coach ACFC and NZ at the same time? I mean both jobs aren't exactly full time positions.

On Tribulietx - is there a reason why he couldn't coach ACFC and NZ at the same time? I mean both jobs aren't exactly full time positions.

Frank VH seems to think its time for Herbert to go. see here

I have sat on this idea of Ramon as the coach because I am not exactly sure where I sit on the idea.

Tactically, he is one of the smartest in the country so there is no denying that we would probably do some things better off the bat especially in terms of analysing opponents and shutting them down.

Against Ramon, is that his style of football needs to time to bed in. He doesn't have that luxury of time with the national side. He gets them for about 2-3 training sessions prior to the KO. That's no way to bed in a possession based style specific to what Ramon does at ACFC.

I would also like to think, and I mean this with respect to Ramon as well, if he was really that good, what's he doing in this country?

I would like to see him bought into the environment but not sure where I sit on him as HC. Maybe some one else will have a better argument that will persuade me either way. I believe he did analysis for one of Milicich's U20s side?

Joining the Phoenix and joining the AWs are not the same.

I have sat on this idea of Ramon as the coach because I am not exactly sure where I sit on the idea.

Tactically, he is one of the smartest in the country so there is no denying that we would probably do some things better off the bat especially in terms of analysing opponents and shutting them down.

Against Ramon, is that his style of football needs to time to bed in. He doesn't have that luxury of time with the national side. He gets them for about 2-3 training sessions prior to the KO. That's no way to bed in a possession based style specific to what Ramon does at ACFC.

I would also like to think, and I mean this with respect to Ramon as well, if he was really that good, what's he doing in this country?

I would like to see him bought into the environment but not sure where I sit on him as HC. Maybe some one else will have a better argument that will persuade me either way. I believe he did analysis for one of Milicich's U20s side?

Ernie Merrick?

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Exactly what is needed .................... because lets face it, football is a marathon and not a sprint. It seems as though the present NZF establishment need to get out from behind their desks and look at the new generation of footballers that could form a team to put on a display that would be more worthy than we have recently seen. This needs the establishment to take of the blinkers.

Herbert's strength as a coach was his ability to motivate players, to make them want to put 110% in, play as a team, etc, as opposed to being a great technical mind. He used to play simple football but got better results than expected due to players playing with guts and passion in his teams, and trusting in him and his vision. At some point (and I'm talking about the Phoenix here too as we'll as the All Whites) his players seemed to lose trust and faith in him, they stopped playing with so much passion In his teams.

I don't know if this was because of personality problems with him or it clicked to his players he really wasn't that technically good, but either way once this faith and desire to play for him, and trust in him was gone then he no longer offers any value. I think this is inevitable somewhat after 9 years in charge for a coach who relies on firing players up rather than being technically great.

As a fan he has became less likeable, more stubborn and arrogant over the years.

Thanks for the hard work Rickie but it is time to go.