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The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico

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almost 13 years ago

Doesn't Eden Park hold 60,000 vs 35,000?

Anyone else skeptical that the bandwagon would attract 60,000 in Auckland on a weeknight even including travellers?

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almost 13 years ago

Sanday wrote:

 Last time round did the ticket sales really take off after the away leg as there was a good amount of time between the two games?

People may wait to see the result of the away game before buying.With a decent result in the away game this game will sell out any stadium.

Will contact NZF about this. Need to have a pre-sale period offering cheaper tickets up to and including 12 November. Of course that has the potential to backfire if we lose 0-5 in CONCACAF but does it leave us in any worse position?

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almost 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

Doesn't Eden Park hold 60,000 vs 35,000?

Anyone else skeptical that the bandwagon would attract 60,000 in Auckland on a weeknight even including travellers?

Eden only held 60k during the RWC, because they put in temporary seating for that event only. Usual capacity is 50k.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 13 years ago

An edited FIFA windows calendar is around showing 13th/20th as well for the playoffs outside the international window 15th-20th. So confirmed dates, no venues yet.

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almost 13 years ago

NZF have confirmed that our leg of the playoff is going to be on November 20.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

ahmad wrote:

Doesn't Eden Park hold 60,000 vs 35,000?

Anyone else skeptical that the bandwagon would attract 60,000 in Auckland on a weeknight even including travellers?

Eden only held 60k during the RWC, because they put in temporary seating for that event only. Usual capacity is 50k.

If NZF looks at Eden due to capacity they will install those seats if required and able. 

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almost 13 years ago

 no chance of 60 at eden park, get real

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almost 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

 no chance of 60 at eden park, get real


This tie is all dependent on the 1st away leg...if we can snatch a result - or even a narrow loss - then why not?  Momentum.
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almost 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

 no chance of 60 at eden park, get real


I agree with this, given that the game is on a Wednesday. I also wouldn't overestimate how a good result in the away leg will influence the crowd. The short turnaround time between games will mean that there isn't a lot of time to build public momentum before the match. I'm sure it will have some influence, but nowhere near enough to sell out an extra 20,000-odd seats in a week.

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almost 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

 no chance of 60 at eden park, get real

I'm convinced that NZF believes this is possible.

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almost 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

 no chance of 60 at eden park, get real

I'm convinced that NZF believes this is possible.


I actually think its possible, most people will go who went last time round and there were thousands of people that missed out that would be excited to get tickets. It is all about marketing, a strong marketing campaign will help, a good away leg is the icing on the cake.
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almost 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

 no chance of 60 at eden park, get real

I'm convinced that NZF believes this is possible.


They could well take it from Wellington on that optimistic hope of 50k at Auckland, but I'd say 30-35k either venue Welly or Auck is about as good as you'd get.
And that's assuming a decent first leg result and performance (and that everybody has managed to forget how awesomely ordinary and stunningly disorganised we were last night and how hard Ricki celebrated on the sideline that his job had been saved again at the last minute.  Honestly I feel for the man, he has put his life into it.  But I cannot see that he is up to the level required.) 
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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

Feverish wrote:

Nommag wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Eden Park being full, It is an amazing venue.

Seems to differ with the popular view. Do you care to expand?


The one time I have been it was full for a league test match. The stadium was easy to get around despite the crowd and the view from the seats were good, we were quite close to the action. Cake tin was a nightmare to get out of from memory of the Bahrain game the seats were so far away from the action. I get the feeling the crowd will be good where this game is as anyone who was at the Bahrain game will travel.

I think you have your grounds/cities mixed up.

I'm a bit worried that when I met winston Reid's uncle yesterday he was convinced the game was in akld. The dunners crowd was bad enough- but akld crowds are pretty rubbish.


I know the crowd was not huge, but I do seem to remember a crowd of about 2000 at an all whites game v one of the Oceania teams in Wellington a few years ago. 

I am not convinced that this game would have gotten many more anywhere else- possibly due to poor Phoenix season, combined with poor advertising, and a degree of arrogance amongst the casual supporters who seems to think every pacific team is an easy beat.

Most important for me regarding the playoff match is that a decision is made soon- tickets to the game aren't the issue- flights from Dunedin are. For me and my daughter it is going to cost a fair bit, so earlier will help.


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almost 13 years ago

Auckland's crowds havn't been that poor, I have been to the games and they have been better than what I have seen elsewhere. Just look at Paraguay in Wellington very disappointing. It is relevant since the return league is on a weekday like the Paraguay game. 

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almost 13 years ago

Shauneboy wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nommag wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Eden Park being full, It is an amazing venue.

Seems to differ with the popular view. Do you care to expand?


The one time I have been it was full for a league test match. The stadium was easy to get around despite the crowd and the view from the seats were good, we were quite close to the action. Cake tin was a nightmare to get out of from memory of the Bahrain game the seats were so far away from the action. I get the feeling the crowd will be good where this game is as anyone who was at the Bahrain game will travel.

I think you have your grounds/cities mixed up.

I'm a bit worried that when I met winston Reid's uncle yesterday he was convinced the game was in akld. The dunners crowd was bad enough- but akld crowds are pretty rubbish.


I know the crowd was not huge, but I do seem to remember a crowd of about 2000 at an all whites game v one of the Oceania teams in Wellington a few years ago. 

I am not convinced that this game would have gotten many more anywhere else- possibly due to poor Phoenix season, combined with poor advertising, and a degree of arrogance amongst the casual supporters who seems to think every pacific team is an easy beat.

Most important for me regarding the playoff match is that a decision is made soon- tickets to the game aren't the issue- flights from Dunedin are. For me and my daughter it is going to cost a fair bit, so earlier will help.


I was talking about getting some actual vocal support and not voiceless seated spectators. 

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almost 13 years ago

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I think you have your grounds/cities mixed up.

I'm a bit worried that when I met winston Reid's uncle yesterday he was convinced the game was in akld. The dunners crowd was bad enough- but akld crowds are pretty rubbish.

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I know the crowd was not huge, but I do seem to remember a crowd of about 2000 at an all whites game v one of the Oceania teams in Wellington a few years ago. 

I am not convinced that this game would have gotten many more anywhere else- possibly due to poor Phoenix season, combined with poor advertising, and a degree of arrogance amongst the casual supporters who seems to think every pacific team is an easy beat.

Most important for me regarding the playoff match is that a decision is made soon- tickets to the game aren't the issue- flights from Dunedin are. For me and my daughter it is going to cost a fair bit, so earlier will help.


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I was talking about getting some actual vocal support and not voiceless seated spectators. 
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Fair enough call. We can be a dour bunch down south ( apart from the notable exception of Ahmed!) that said, there were a fair few at my old mans football game today who were still croaky on it having yelled so much on Friday. My daughter heard words that she has . . .. Well, heard every time I watch the the Phoenix really.

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almost 13 years ago

Crowd on Friday was much better than the Phoenix crowd and I'm not talking the numbers. Ironically the "hardcore" 3000 that attended the Nix match were quiet as apart from all you Yellow Fever. A reasonable effort I thought on Friday. 

Compared to Wellington? The Bahrain game was euphoric from start to finish. Noise throughout. The Nix Jets semi was also sold out but IMHO was an entirely different crowd. They did get into basic chants (much more than Dunedin crowds) but it wasn't mental for 90 minutes like that night to remember. 

Can't comment about Auckland as I've never been to football there. 

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almost 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

Crowd on Friday was much better than the Phoenix crowd and I'm not talking the numbers. Ironically the "hardcore" 3000 that attended the Nix match were quiet as apart from all you Yellow Fever. A reasonable effort I thought on Friday. 

Compared to Wellington? The Bahrain game was euphoric from start to finish. Noise throughout. The Nix Jets semi was also sold out but IMHO was an entirely different crowd. They did get into basic chants (much more than Dunedin crowds) but it wasn't mental for 90 minutes like that night to remember. 

Can't comment about Auckland as I've never been to football there. 


I was surprised watching highlights clips online at how loud it sounded on Friday - certainly there were times it was pretty quiet. But generally people really seemed to appreciate and understand the game, which was good.


Greetings ahmad . . . I introduced myself to you at the open training and saw you again when we optimistically waited for players to come out in that reception area.

I have never been to football in Auckland either . . . I reckon wherever the playoff match is that there will be  a blast, although think Wellington deserve it . . . Proven track record and all.


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almost 13 years ago

Shauneboy wrote:

ahmad wrote:

Crowd on Friday was much better than the Phoenix crowd and I'm not talking the numbers. Ironically the "hardcore" 3000 that attended the Nix match were quiet as apart from all you Yellow Fever. A reasonable effort I thought on Friday. 

Compared to Wellington? The Bahrain game was euphoric from start to finish. Noise throughout. The Nix Jets semi was also sold out but IMHO was an entirely different crowd. They did get into basic chants (much more than Dunedin crowds) but it wasn't mental for 90 minutes like that night to remember. 

Can't comment about Auckland as I've never been to football there. 


I was surprised watching highlights clips online at how loud it sounded on Friday - certainly there were times it was pretty quiet. But generally people really seemed to appreciate and understand the game, which was good.


Greetings ahmad . . . I introduced myself to you at the open training and saw you again when we optimistically waited for players to come out in that reception area.

I have never been to football in Auckland either . . . I reckon wherever the playoff match is that there will be  a blast, although think Wellington deserve it . . . Proven track record and all.

Hi again :) I thought you said you hadn't been on the forum since it went all new and shiny? Welcome back :) 

The microphones at the ground were all in the wrong places and the audio mix chosen by those at Sky wasn't the best for our chanting. 

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almost 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

Sanday wrote:

 Last time round did the ticket sales really take off after the away leg as there was a good amount of time between the two games?

People may wait to see the result of the away game before buying.With a decent result in the away game this game will sell out any stadium.

Will contact NZF about this. Need to have a pre-sale period offering cheaper tickets up to and including 12 November. Of course that has the potential to backfire if we lose 0-5 in CONCACAF but does it leave us in any worse position?


Yep, late in the week before the away leg in Bahrain, there were only about 7000 tickets sold for the home leg but the result and the resultant hype meant it sold out within the next working week from memory.
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almost 13 years ago

Groff wrote:

ahmad wrote:

Sanday wrote:

 Last time round did the ticket sales really take off after the away leg as there was a good amount of time between the two games?

People may wait to see the result of the away game before buying.With a decent result in the away game this game will sell out any stadium.

Will contact NZF about this. Need to have a pre-sale period offering cheaper tickets up to and including 12 November. Of course that has the potential to backfire if we lose 0-5 in CONCACAF but does it leave us in any worse position?


Yep, late in the week before the away leg in Bahrain, there were only about 7000 tickets sold for the home leg but the result and the resultant hype meant it sold out within the next working week from memory.

From what I can find we drew 0-0 on 10/10/09 and on 17/10/09 it was declared a sell-put according to this article about "Unleash the Seats": http://www.voxy.co.nz/sport/unleash-seats-all-whites-fans-campaign-extra-seats-bahrain-game/5/27605 

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almost 13 years ago

Would you still agree that the strategy needs to be to try and sell as much as possible before that first match especially since it is only a week out from our return leg? Offer a discount for sales before the first match and it gives you healthy revenue if we win/draw the first leg. But it could backfire if we lose heavily in the first leg (but surely the sales wouldn't be any worse than if a premium wasn't attached to sales after the first leg??)

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almost 13 years ago

Due to the short turnaround the marketing campaign has to be very strong before the away leg this time. Hopefully Tim Brown will come back and help again! 

I think a sellout is still completely dependant on a good first up result though, regardless whether it's in Aucks or Wellys.

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almost 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

Groff wrote:

ahmad wrote:

Sanday wrote:

 Last time round did the ticket sales really take off after the away leg as there was a good amount of time between the two games?

People may wait to see the result of the away game before buying.With a decent result in the away game this game will sell out any stadium.

Will contact NZF about this. Need to have a pre-sale period offering cheaper tickets up to and including 12 November. Of course that has the potential to backfire if we lose 0-5 in CONCACAF but does it leave us in any worse position?


Yep, late in the week before the away leg in Bahrain, there were only about 7000 tickets sold for the home leg but the result and the resultant hype meant it sold out within the next working week from memory.

From what I can find we drew 0-0 on 10/10/09 and on 17/10/09 it was declared a sell-put according to this article about "Unleash the Seats": http://www.voxy.co.nz/sport/unleash-seats-all-whites-fans-campaign-extra-seats-bahrain-game/5/27605 


I'll take that as a win, cheers haha!
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almost 13 years ago

Shauneboy wrote:

Feverish wrote:

I think you have your grounds/cities mixed up.

I'm a bit worried that when I met winston Reid's uncle yesterday he was convinced the game was in akld. The dunners crowd was bad enough- but akld crowds are pretty rubbish.


I know the crowd was not huge, but I do seem to remember a crowd of about 2000 at an all whites game v one of the Oceania teams in Wellington a few years ago. 


That would be All Whites vs Vanuatu 2007 at Westpac with 2,676 (4 Days after the Nix had 8k), not sure looking back 6 years is fair, though I do see your point re: Island nations
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almost 13 years ago

Get Nike involved, they know what they're doing. Who remembers Welli being plastered in WHITE IS THE NEW BLACK posters immediately after Bahrain?

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almost 13 years ago

Arsenal wrote:

Get Nike involved, they know what they're doing. Who remembers Welli being plastered in WHITE IS THE NEW BLACK posters immediately after Bahrain?

I was going to ask when the hell those posters were out up. 

But aside from that awesome effort Nike had posters for Dunedin but none put in the central city nor did I see any on campus. I counted 2 and noticed them on Thursday. 

What crowds did Auckland and Chch draw for their island nation qualifiers?

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almost 13 years ago

Groff wrote:

Due to the short turnaround the marketing campaign has to be very strong before the away leg this time. Hopefully Tim Brown will come back and help again! 

In all seriousness something like this could make a huge difference. Brown, Elliot, Nelsen and some other old heads driving some sort of public campaign would really push sales imo.

 

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almost 13 years ago


hey ryan do you want to take some time out of the MLS to go and promote NZ football?

Yea sure i'd love to and i'll be back in a few weeks

 

as awseome as it seems i

 

Dont see this happening

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almost 13 years ago

Doesn't he have a wine label? He could produce a special label maybe?

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almost 13 years ago

Would have to be driven by NZ based players/groups. That includes us. Senior Nix players, time to shine! Dura, show us how kiwi you are prepared to be! 

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Would have to be driven by NZ based players/groups. That includes us. Senior Nix players, time to shine! Dura, show us how kiwi you are prepared to be! 

Marketing team, assemble!

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almost 13 years ago

chefmivec wrote:


hey ryan do you want to take some time out of the MLS to go and promote NZ football?

Yea sure i'd love to and i'll be back in a few weeks

 

as awseome as it seems i

 

Dont see this happening

I don't mean do a nationwide tour, I mean a short message of support or promotion or something that someone could use as part of an advertising campaign. Would take him 5 minutes. They do have the internet in Canada, yes?

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almost 13 years ago

Is there any update yet as to who our opponent is likely to be? Not sure where to look to see who's most likely to be 4th in CONCACAF at this stage.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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almost 13 years ago

goldienz wrote:

Is there any update yet as to who our opponent is likely to be? Not sure where to look to see who's most likely to be 4th in CONCACAF at this stage.


Too early bro, only 2 rounds played of 10 so far. Doesn't wrap up until October! 
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almost 13 years ago

JonoNewton wrote:

Shauneboy wrote:

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I know the crowd was not huge, but I do seem to remember a crowd of about 2000 at an all whites game v one of the Oceania teams in Wellington a few years ago. 


That would be All Whites vs Vanuatu 2007 at Westpac with 2,676 (4 Days after the Nix had 8k), not sure looking back 6 years is fair, though I do see your point re: Island nations


Yeah, maybe a bit harsh looking back that far. I also think that may have been a midweek game as well.

Overall, I think the 7000+ was ok for this game, but would far have preferred a magical 10k.

When are they likely to announce the host city for the play off? As many of you die-hard supporters have learnt over the past few weeks, Dunedin is not the cheapest place to get into or out of at short notice.

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almost 13 years ago

Think it was a tuesday from memory? Yeah don't think it's gonna be down south. RoF or Eden park, would be massively surprised if it was anywhere else. Hopefully the decision is made soon.

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almost 13 years ago

It could be a long shot but do you think Wellington missed out on a qualifying game because NZF were quietly confident of getting this far and always intended to have the play off game in Wellington. After the success of the Bahrain game, it would be silly not to. I think the result of the first leg will have a big bearing on crowd numbers though. Your average punter won't go if we are 0-5 down from the first leg.

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almost 13 years ago

This game is midweek....correct. Does anyone know the biggest crowd for any game, any code in NZ midweek?. I personally don't think Auckland would sellout Eden Park for a midweek game....absolutely no way! Wellington might but it would be tough.

The games are so close together that the major marketing drive would have to be before the first leg. They need to do a big push on it going to be a sellout so you better not leave it until after the first leg because you might miss out.

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almost 13 years ago

I've done the business with NZF on the weekend. Time for Junior82 to kiss Celia Wade's Brown. 

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