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Vs Mexico 1st Leg Thurs 14th 9:30am SS2

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over 12 years ago
Mainland FC wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
I've just watched it on mysky right now. He tried to hit it and spun and it bounced up off the surface to hit his hand. He had zero clue what was going and it was in no way deliberate nor did he see it. Yes the ball hit his hand. No it is not handball. You should do some reading on the laws when making statements like that. If you think that is handball then every single time the ball touches the hand, its handball. Thats so not the case.

I agree - I learned this lesson from countless replays of a very harsh handball call against Harry Kewell early in the first half of Australia's game against Ghana at the WC 2010. The ball hit him straight on, against a motionless arm and upper body together (that's how small the gap was between body and arm). Kewell got sent off with a red card and Ghana scored a penalty. Some argued that - while they were ordinary - Australia would have won that game with Kewell on the park, and they might have gone on to the second round, despite the awful first-up game against Germany (defensive mindset, parking the bus, etc etc).
Watch the replay from side on, you will see why Kewell got rightfully sent off

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Mainland FC wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
I've just watched it on mysky right now. He tried to hit it and spun and it bounced up off the surface to hit his hand. He had zero clue what was going and it was in no way deliberate nor did he see it. Yes the ball hit his hand. No it is not handball. You should do some reading on the laws when making statements like that. If you think that is handball then every single time the ball touches the hand, its handball. Thats so not the case.

I agree - I learned this lesson from countless replays of a very harsh handball call against Harry Kewell early in the first half of Australia's game against Ghana at the WC 2010. The ball hit him straight on, against a motionless arm and upper body together (that's how small the gap was between body and arm). Kewell got sent off with a red card and Ghana scored a penalty. Some argued that - while they were ordinary - Australia would have won that game with Kewell on the park, and they might have gone on to the second round, despite the awful first-up game against Germany (defensive mindset, parking the bus, etc etc).
Watch the replay from side on, you will see why Kewell got rightfully sent off
Also the Aussies were total dicks in our pre-WC friendly with them so haha

 

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).

Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.


Yes it was piss poor defending but I don't think you can totally remove tactics from that equation. The more you let the opposition come at you, the more chances you are creating for an error to occur in a situation where it will lead to a goal. By playing so defensively you're also reinforcing the mindset that the opposition are so much better than you, and if you're feeling under the pump from a vastly superior team you're more likely to make a crucial error than if you believe you are equal to them. We don't have any natural onfield leaders like Ryan anymore to instill that belief regardless of the match situation.


I think Ricki's first half tactics were so defensive that once Mexico scored our team just thought the inevitable hiding had started. If we'd been just a little bit more proactive (ugh I hate that word  but I can't think of a more appropriate one right now) then maybe once we went a goal or two down we still would have felt like we could get something from it. Let's not forget this Mexico team had a new coach, a bunch of players who had barely played a meaningful international before, and were playing in a stadium where they'd scored 3 goals in their last 4 games. Yeah they were better than us no doubt, but we also just let them know that and settle into the game. They knew they had nothing to fear so they could just play their game.


I was only talking about those two particular goals not being about tactics or selection.

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).

Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.


that's what pisses me off. Yes, we were playing too deep, and hoofed the ball away and technically outclassed, and all of that. But we still gave away some friggin light goals through a lack of marking and concentration and intensity? How slack were we on corners? How often did they find space or take a short corner we didn't react to. Given our squad's ability, I expected to lose, but if those guys had put in a decent shift we might only be two goals behind. And then we still would have had hope.

And this was my point. Despite the outpouring of angst here if we had managed just two regulation clearances from those corners we could still be in this tie (just).

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).

Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.


Yes it was piss poor defending but I don't think you can totally remove tactics from that equation. The more you let the opposition come at you, the more chances you are creating for an error to occur in a situation where it will lead to a goal. By playing so defensively you're also reinforcing the mindset that the opposition are so much better than you, and if you're feeling under the pump from a vastly superior team you're more likely to make a crucial error than if you believe you are equal to them. We don't have any natural onfield leaders like Ryan anymore to instill that belief regardless of the match situation.


I think Ricki's first half tactics were so defensive that once Mexico scored our team just thought the inevitable hiding had started. If we'd been just a little bit more proactive (ugh I hate that word  but I can't think of a more appropriate one right now) then maybe once we went a goal or two down we still would have felt like we could get something from it. Let's not forget this Mexico team had a new coach, a bunch of players who had barely played a meaningful international before, and were playing in a stadium where they'd scored 3 goals in their last 4 games. Yeah they were better than us no doubt, but we also just let them know that and settle into the game. They knew they had nothing to fear so they could just play their game.


I was only talking about those two particular goals not being about tactics or selection.

My point was just that really negative tactics increase the likelihood of players making dumb mistakes that lead to goals. Of course just because dumb mistakes leading to goals are more likely with really negative tactics doesn't mean those particular dumb mistakes wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been quite so negative

Not disagreeing that those mistakes were just retarded blunders rather than specific tactical errors by Ricki

 

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over 12 years ago

Also, how sh*t were our attacking throwins? We may as well just have let Mexico take them

 

 

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We should have played 4-2-3-1/4-5-1.
                Moss
Tuiloma Sigmund Smith Lochhead
             Clapham James
Brockie McGlinchey Barbarouses
                     Wood

Based on recent form playing for New Zealand A and the All Whites. Vicelich let the occasion get to him today and really let himself and all of us down considering he has played quite well recently. Christie let Ricki down and unfortunately I think all three of them will be gone after these games. I think we could have beaten Mexico today had we not had so many players out with injury/coming back from injury as I think we are a much better team then we showed today at full strength. We played 100x better against Honduras on May 2012 and China in November 2012. I wouldn't put all the blame on Ricki although I do think he is partly to blame with his player selection I don't think his tactics we're bad it was more the players letting him down by conceding twice before half time. Chris Wood's yellow card was stupid and he should have stayed and played for Leicester. All in all an absolute fuck up and a loss of millions of dollars and our best chance to make a name for ourselves in the world of international football and develop football further in our country. Severly disappointing!

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over 12 years ago

Also, how sh*t were our attacking throwins? We may as well just have let Mexico take them

 

 


Our "long" throw ins that dribbled across the ground to the first Mexican defender?

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over 12 years ago
nomeans wrote:

I would have played the same formation used by the French national team, the Dutch national team, the German national team and the Brazilian national team 
              


I stopped reading at this point. 


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over 12 years ago
U037 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Right now we have next to nothing - much worse backline, no-one anywhere near international quality in midfield, and Marco.
A bit harsh on McGlinchy?

McGlinchey is nowhere near international quality, and he very capably demonstrated it this morning.
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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).

Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.


Yes it was piss poor defending but I don't think you can totally remove tactics from that equation. The more you let the opposition come at you, the more chances you are creating for an error to occur in a situation where it will lead to a goal. By playing so defensively you're also reinforcing the mindset that the opposition are so much better than you, and if you're feeling under the pump from a vastly superior team you're more likely to make a crucial error than if you believe you are equal to them. We don't have any natural onfield leaders like Ryan anymore to instill that belief regardless of the match situation.


I think Ricki's first half tactics were so defensive that once Mexico scored our team just thought the inevitable hiding had started. If we'd been just a little bit more proactive (ugh I hate that word  but I can't think of a more appropriate one right now) then maybe once we went a goal or two down we still would have felt like we could get something from it. Let's not forget this Mexico team had a new coach, a bunch of players who had barely played a meaningful international before, and were playing in a stadium where they'd scored 3 goals in their last 4 games. Yeah they were better than us no doubt, but we also just let them know that and settle into the game. They knew they had nothing to fear so they could just play their game.


I was only talking about those two particular goals not being about tactics or selection.

My point was just that really negative tactics increase the likelihood of players making dumb mistakes that lead to goals. Of course just because dumb mistakes leading to goals are more likely with really negative tactics doesn't mean those particular dumb mistakes wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been quite so negative

Not disagreeing that those mistakes were just retarded blunders rather than specific tactical errors by Ricki

 

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over 12 years ago

That piece by Tony Smith is laughable (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/9400981/Tony-Smith-Time-for-a-fresh-start-at-NZ-Football)

First of all he says "The new broom sweeping through New Zealand football shouldn't stop at Ricki Herbert's office" but then he doesn't suggest a single other thing, unless you count forming a brains trust including Kevin Fallon. I lol'd.

The sub-editor who came up with the "Fire Him" headline also seems unaware that Herbert is quitting anyway.

As for setting New Zealand football back a decade or more, gimme a break, we were never as far ahead as we like to think. That statement also ignores the great strides made in women's football and grassroots. It ain't all about the senior men.


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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
U037 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Right now we have next to nothing - much worse backline, no-one anywhere near international quality in midfield, and Marco.
A bit harsh on McGlinchy?


McGlinchey is nowhere near international quality, and he very capably demonstrated it this morning.


Sadly I have to agree with this. McG consistently goes missing in an All Whites shirt. James achieved more in 20 mins.
McG clearly has some talent though, hope he comes right at some point.

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Seb wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating


It was a clear handball and should have been a penalty JV. 

I've just watched it on mysky right now. He tried to hit it and spun and it bounced up off the surface to hit his hand. He had zero clue what was going and it was in no way deliberate nor did he see it. Yes the ball hit his hand. No it is not handball. You should do some reading on the laws when making statements like that. If you think that is handball then every single time the ball touches the hand, its handball. Thats so not the case.

I'm not saying all referees are right, but 4 referees that were sitting in a Dunedin bar this morning agree with you entirely.
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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Seb wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

Question for those bagging the 'negative' tactics - were you saying the same thing when we were parking the bus in South Africa in 2010?

Jamaica played exactly the same way at the Azteca earlier this year and got a 0-0 draw. Maybe the players should take some responsibility for their own individual performances?


In South Africa 2010 we had a far better defensive team. Nelsen was and in my opinion is probably the best player New Zealand has ever had in terms of his influence over a team. Reid, Nelsen and Smith was a very strong defensive lineup. As much as I like both of them, Vicelich and Durante are not even close to the standard of Nelsen and Reid. I think with the squad presented to us (As there was no Reid) we are a better attacking team than defensive team. Rojas is arguably one of the best attacking talents this country has produced and has the potential to be one of the best players to represent New Zealand.

 

You've hit the nail on the head - we had better players in 2010, so ended up having better results (with a fair amount of luck also). Our midfield was also better - Simon Elliott, much younger Ivan - so we could at least transition with some accuracy on an occasion.

Right now we have next to nothing - much worse backline, no-one anywhere near international quality in midfield, and Marco. And you think this lot could do better than the team from 2010?

Yes and No. I would say we have better attacking taent and strikers than we did in 2010. We have a $4mil Championship signing and a bundesliga player. I believe McGlinchey isn't far off what Elliott was back in 2010. Vicelich and Tim Brown were the other central midfielders back then. In 2010 if we said we couldn't find anyone to replace Tim brown or Vicelich in the midfield we would have been shocked. Christie is certainly a big drop but he also wasn't our best option for this game.

Regrettably we havent found a left back option and that really hurts us, but Roux is just as good as what leo was back in 2010. We need to remember Leo has never ever been a very flash right back.

So really where we havent improved is the loss of Nelsen and Reid. I would say these are the only positions (and left back) we didn't have better players available than what we had in 2010. But I believe Herberts non selection of a lot of young players is hiding a lot of talent that actually was available.


Don't really agree with that. Wood's a competent Championship player, but not much more than that. I really rate Marco, and think he could be potentially the best All White ever, but a) he's still growing as a professional footballer, and b) we can't expect him to carry the team on his shoulders. 
McGlinchey's nowhere near Elliot's level - he's a very good A-league player, but that's a far cry from top level international football. He was terrible this morning, and that's not exactly something new either. The other options in midfield are either journeymen (James, Keat, perhaps Henderson), amateurs (Clapham and Butler) or young kids still working their way up (Howieson, Payne). No international quality there, certainly none that can compete anywhere near on equal terms with the likes of Mexico.
Backline, as you yourself say, is worse than in 2010. We really missed Reid today, but even so we'd have probably still lost by at least 2. The gap in quality was really, really obvious in the game.
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To be fair, its hard for him to flourish in the Ricky set up. Weemac that is

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Just finished watching the game. Pollyanna as always, here's my analysis:

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2013/11/14/pollyanna/



nice article. probably a bit strong on this statement though.

"When you’ve got people who play on a regular basis for Stuttgart and Marseille" (pretty sure both of them have not played a senior competitive game for their respective clubs)

I think keeping more emphasis on the non-professional/unattached players would have provided the same point.

If we build it, they will come...

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

That piece by Tony Smith is laughable (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/9400981/Tony-Smith-Time-for-a-fresh-start-at-NZ-Football)

First of all he says "The new broom sweeping through New Zealand football shouldn't stop at Ricki Herbert's office" but then he doesn't suggest a single other thing, unless you count forming a brains trust including Kevin Fallon. I lol'd.

The sub-editor who came up with the "Fire Him" headline also seems unaware that Herbert is quitting anyway.

As for setting New Zealand football back a decade or more, gimme a break, we were never as far ahead as we like to think. That statement also ignores the great strides made in women's football and grassroots. It ain't all about the senior men.


Yeah, as painful as the loss was it's even more painful to watch the NZ media and general public reaction.

 

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over 12 years ago

I'm optimistic about the young players we have, blood some of these guys from under 20 World Cup NOW!!!

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Jeff Vader wrote:

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I'm struggling to see your point here

1: Ricki didn't tell them to play that way as you suggest

2: The players are professional footballers as you suggest

3: Everyone would like to see them play a certain way, but they did not as you suggest


If the coach didn't say to play that way, and it's recognised they are pro footballers who did not play probably how they should, then surely that if these are the best we have, then it's a fair stretch to say that we were just not good enough and they were better than us? With that in mind, and these are our best, then how does NZF saying "Start to play more offensively minded football, string some passes together and don't just defend for 90 mins." change anything.


The problem is the quality of player we produce and all the best intentions and game plans and tactics in the world will not make two shits of a difference if the players are not good enough to play that way.


Now if you had said "NZF have to put better systems in place to produce a better quality of footballer so we have the ability to play better football" well then you would be onto something

 

Agree, that's what I kinda meant, change the system to produce better players.

Still think that our current players are able to do slightly better though.

Hopefully they'll show it next week

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over 12 years ago

Quoting nightmare - mods take control. 

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over 12 years ago
threatD wrote:

To be fair, its hard for him to flourish in the Ricky set up. Weemac that is


That's true to a point - McGlinchey isn't very comfortable in the deeper role that Ricki asks him to play.
But his problems at this level of the game run deeper than that, but I don't want to turn this thread into 'a McGlinchey thing.
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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
U037 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Right now we have next to nothing - much worse backline, no-one anywhere near international quality in midfield, and Marco.
A bit harsh on McGlinchy?


McGlinchey is nowhere near international quality, and he very capably demonstrated it this morning.


Sadly I have to agree with this. McG consistently goes missing in an All Whites shirt. James achieved more in 20 mins.

McG clearly has some talent though, hope he comes right at some point.

I never really thought about it until I read these two posts and I have to say, other than that game where he scored two goals, he has been ineffectual in an AW shirt. I see at CCM he has moved wider. I wonder if this is a case of being played out of position in the AWs or coaching/tactical thing. Either way, as mentioned James did more in his 30 off mins than Wee Mac did the entire gam. Disappointing really.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

I wonder what its like for players for Rojas and Kosta who have played under a more technically astute coach like Ange and even Winston in the EPL to then play under someone like Herbert where the tactical play is much more simpler and if they question it. 

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over 12 years ago

Well Ryan did.....

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
threatD wrote:

To be fair, its hard for him to flourish in the Ricky set up. Weemac that is



Exactly. McGlinchey is easily as good, if not better, than many of the creative midfield options I've seen in the Socceroos squad over the last 5 years. But all the skills that make him such a potentially good international player are not prized in Ricki's defensive, non-creative gameplan. He can't defend to save his life and doesn't have much scope to play his natural game when the ball is flying over the top of him.
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over 12 years ago
Seb wrote:

Where are all the guys who said playing Mexico would be just as easy as playing Panama or Hondurus?



I so agree, always thought we would get done here.  Never thought we would play so poorly and get torn a new one though.  On the bright side I watched the game with a bunch of Mexican's in London who cheered for us when Chris scored.  Good atmosphere, they didn't act smug or anything.
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over 12 years ago

So why has Chris James been absent from the national side for such a long time. Central midfield has been a problem area for us and he has shown glimpses of a quality player. Why has Ricki excluded him for so long, does anyone know? This is a genuine question .. I havn't really followed his career too closely but I remember he did play for New Zealand several years ago and looked quite good there too.

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over 12 years ago

What a difference 4 years makes.

35,063 little hours...

Allegedly

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Ange and Big Sam have had their share of nightmares too. That's why Ange wasn't in the A league.

McG is a completely different player from Elliot. James is a little closer to Elliot. But still in a different mold. 

Said it earlier in the thread- we lacked a bit of leadership and passion. Players like Brown, Nelsen, Reid and Sigmund do this, as someone said did Rory, and I thought Wood was quite fired up. But I think there is some intangible that lets player like Smeltz find a way to score in injury time or Nelsen or Siggie to make that block with total disregard to their safety and we were missing a bit of that out on the pitch.



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over 12 years ago
nomeans wrote:

We should have played 4-2-3-1/4-5-1.
                Moss
Tuiloma Sigmund Smith Lochhead
             Clapham James
Brockie McGlinchey Barbarouses
                     Wood

Based on recent form playing for New Zealand A and the All Whites. Vicelich let the occasion get to him today and really let himself and all of us down considering he has played quite well recently. Christie let Ricki down and unfortunately I think all three of them will be gone after these games. I think we could have beaten Mexico today had we not had so many players out with injury/coming back from injury as I think we are a much better team then we showed today at full strength. We played 100x better against Honduras on May 2012 and China in November 2012. I wouldn't put all the blame on Ricki although I do think he is partly to blame with his player selection I don't think his tactics we're bad it was more the players letting him down by conceding twice before half time. Chris Wood's yellow card was stupid and he should have stayed and played for Leicester. All in all an absolute fuck up and a loss of millions of dollars and our best chance to make a name for ourselves in the world of international football and develop football further in our country. Severly disappointing!


Your comment that we could have beaten Mexico etc shows that you have no knowledge what so ever of either football or in this case International football.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:

Your comment that we could have beaten Mexico etc shows that you have no knowledge what so ever of either football or in this case International football.

Bet you didn't think we could draw with Italy in 2010 either.

Back in your box old man.

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Outpost wrote:
threatD wrote:

To be fair, its hard for him to flourish in the Ricky set up. Weemac that is



Exactly. McGlinchey is easily as good, if not better, than many of the creative midfield options I've seen in the Socceroos squad over the last 5 years. But all the skills that make him such a potentially good international player are not prized in Ricki's defensive, non-creative gameplan. He can't defend to save his life and doesn't have much scope to play his natural game when the ball is flying over the top of him.


Jedinak? Milligan? Rogic?

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over 12 years ago
Outpost wrote:
threatD wrote:

To be fair, its hard for him to flourish in the Ricky set up. Weemac that is



Exactly. McGlinchey is easily as good, if not better, than many of the creative midfield options I've seen in the Socceroos squad over the last 5 years. But all the skills that make him such a potentially good international player are not prized in Ricki's defensive, non-creative gameplan. He can't defend to save his life and doesn't have much scope to play his natural game when the ball is flying over the top of him.

Hmm, I said I wasn't going to go there, but why not. I get the impression that the opinion of McGlinchey on this forum is inflated quite a bit because we see him mostly playing in the A-league, where he's a very good player. But like I said, A-league is a long way from a good international standard.
Admittedly McGlinchey isn't comfortable in the deeper position he plays for the All Whites, which is the by-product of Ricki trying to turn him into a new Simon Elliott. That clearly hasn't worked, but is hardly the biggest problem McGlinchey faces at this level of the game.
His main issue is a technical one - his ability to control the ball and pass is compromised at this level. He takes too long to control the ball and make his decisions at the same time, which at the highest levels of the game you have to do, otherwise your options get closed down very easily. There were very good examples of this in the game this morning - in the first half, he was invariably either caught in possession, or misplaced the pass because he took too much time to get the ball under control and then make his decision. If you can't do that simultaneously, or at least very close to that, you'll struggle, and he does. His other issue is that he can't live on the ball enough when under pressure to buy himself enough time to make a decision in those type of games (he tried this a couple of times this morning, invariably lost the ball). His passing became better in the second half, as did James' when he came on (although the big difference was that James was able to live on the ball more comfortably), primarily because Mexico dropped their backline much deeper to avoid being caught on the break, which left wider spaces in the midfield areas, and consequently our midfielders weren't pressed as high up the field as they were in the first half. This allowed us to knock it around 35-40 meters away from their goal, although the pressure was ramped up anytime we tried to get closer to their goal than that. Even so, McGlinchey was only completing passes when he himself was under no pressure, and to players who themselves were under no pressure. Now, that's fine - it's better to complete these passes than not - but to be honest, a fair few people on this forum can do that. To be an international quality player you need much more than that, and he hasn't shown it at that level. Not this morning, and not on previous occasions he's played for the All Whites.
I don't want this to sound like I'm bagging him - I guess I'm just using it as an example where our fan base overestimates the ability of a player, and then goes all angsty when things don't turn out well for us because of unrealistic expectations.
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Your use of 'international standard' should also be taken in context of who we are up against. In this instance (A World Cup playoff vs concacaf + World Cup finals) you could say the same about any number of our players, so I know you don't mean to pick on wee mac specifically, he just happens to be the example that has been presented. 

Its a point well made. 


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Hmm, I said I wasn't going to go there, but why not. I get the impression that the opinion of McGlinchey on this forum is inflated quite a bit because we see him mostly playing in the A-league, where he's a very good player. But

...international quality

This abstract measure of ability you keep using doesn't make your analysis right or wrong, but it's a good reminder that the opinions on this forum are purely subjective. Just out of interest, what are the SI units for "international quality"? ;-)

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over 12 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
Leggy wrote:

Your comment that we could have beaten Mexico etc shows that you have no knowledge what so ever of either football or in this case International football.


Bet you didn't think we could draw with Italy in 2010 either.


Back in your box old man.



Perhaps not, but being a typical dick head you forgot to mention the rest of his comments.
Ha ha Buffy have forgotten more about the game than you will ever know.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago

Good read EG, but do we really have anyone who has the ability to create space / time when controlling the ball (maybe Marco and at a pinch Wood aside)? 

It sums up our (NZ's) core technical inadequacy. Always has been that way and will continue to be unless we 'play more' (intentional multiple meanings right there).


I know, I know, its serious!

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over 12 years ago
Seb wrote:

So why has Chris James been absent from the national side for such a long time. Central midfield has been a problem area for us and he has shown glimpses of a quality player. Why has Ricki excluded him for so long, does anyone know? This is a genuine question .. I havn't really followed his career too closely but I remember he did play for New Zealand several years ago and looked quite good there too.

James was fatter than me for a decent period

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