All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

Vs Mexico 2nd Leg Wed 20th 7:00pm SS1

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over 12 years ago
ThreeFourThree wrote:

Would like to see Tuiloma for Bertos - has demonstrated ability to play as winger/wingback both locally, at NZ agegroup level and in Marseille, would add pace, a very good long throw and extra threat in the air to the squad.

 

And I don't buy into the 'unproven' argument. Has proven himself at agegroup WC level, plays week-in with the OM U19 squad - including in the UEFA Youth League (Youth equivalent of Champions League) against top U19 players from clubs such as Napoli, Borussia Dortmund and Arsenal, has also played for OM's Reserve Team and has recently started training with the OM First Team. You can't tell me that doesn't make him a better choice in the squad than an unattached player.

 


So basically, someone who's only played with kids, and never against good quality international players? 
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over 12 years ago

I think Ricki will field much the same team and its quite likely he will play Christie again....just to be bloody minded. He has said that the selection wasn't the problem for the first match so if he drops Christie then it will be an admission that he got it wrong first leg. If that Radio report is right then Herbert won't play youth...he will only make changes enforced by the Yellow suspension.....so expect Siggy for Ivan, Rory for Wood and most probably Roux for Bertos. I think these will be the only changes. In Rickis world he thinks it was the players execution not his tactics or selections that cost us the first leg.


There will be some very grumpy customers at the ROF if Christie gets a start. 

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over 12 years ago

It's a pretty "meh" Mexican side overall, so wouldn't be shocked to see the AWs get a decent result in Wellington.

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
ThreeFourThree wrote:

Would like to see Tuiloma for Bertos - has demonstrated ability to play as winger/wingback both locally, at NZ agegroup level and in Marseille, would add pace, a very good long throw and extra threat in the air to the squad.

 

And I don't buy into the 'unproven' argument. Has proven himself at agegroup WC level, plays week-in with the OM U19 squad - including in the UEFA Youth League (Youth equivalent of Champions League) against top U19 players from clubs such as Napoli, Borussia Dortmund and Arsenal, has also played for OM's Reserve Team and has recently started training with the OM First Team. You can't tell me that doesn't make him a better choice in the squad than an unattached player.

 


So basically, someone who's only played with kids, and never against good quality international players? 


surely anyone who is making their senior debut at any level has only played against kids and never against good quality players of that level? This kid may not be better than the other options in the squad, but if you want to build for the future you have to give people their debut at some stage.  Meaningless games like this seem to be a good place to start.

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over 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

I think Ricki will field much the same team and its quite likely he will play Christie again....just to be bloody minded. He has said that the selection wasn't the problem for the first match so if he drops Christie then it will be an admission that he got it wrong first leg. If that Radio report is right then Herbert won't play youth...he will only make changes enforced by the Yellow suspension.....so expect Siggy for Ivan, Rory for Wood and most probably Roux for Bertos. I think these will be the only changes. In Rickis world he thinks it was the players execution not his tactics or selections that cost us the first leg.


There will be some very grumpy customers at the ROF if Christie gets a start. 

You know Austin when I got up this morning, I would not have believed this above but having heard Ricki in the press today, I think you are bang on. He is going to wave two fingers in the air to everyone and do what he has always done. I have to say, if he thinks thats the right way to go about it in a 4-0 must win game that we will not win, then he really does need to go and mail his resignation in before the game kicks off.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Any chance Christie says, "I'm not up to it boss"???

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over 12 years ago
BradFromCHC wrote:

might have missed it but is there a thread anywhere with chants for wed?



+1?
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over 12 years ago
nomeans wrote:
BradFromCHC wrote:

might have missed it but is there a thread anywhere with chants for wed?



+1?

There is a good suggestion in the chants sub section of the fim,  in a locked thread...

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over 12 years ago
U037 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:
Remember 1980 - U2 were a hot young band, the Cure made a NINE concert tour of NZ, Toy Love split up, Piggy Mudoon was PM....

and Mexico went down 4-0 in Auckland - and it was Herbert's debut for NZ (and probably Wednesday will be his last as manager).

And we have to win 4-0 on Wednesday to make the World Cup! (or else win by any five goal margin)

Brazil, USA, Panama and South Korea were the only other countries to beat Mexico in 1980 (P:25 W:9  D:8 L:8):

http://www.11v11.com/teams/mexico/tab/matches/season/1981

NZ BEAT MEXICO 4-0

http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/277564/football-day-nz-beat-mexico-4-0

"...The result, at Auckland's Bill McKinlay Park in 1980...

Excellent post Big Pete. The article says 5000 people watched the All Whites that night. It was a long time ago, but I recall a lot less people than that. The one thing I do remember clearly though, is the positivity and energy the team played with, they really took it the Mexicans. The same thing is needed on Wednesday. Being at sea-level should help.

Apologies if I missed the irony but really? What has changed since Thursday morning to make you think we can replicate a fluke result from 32 years ago?

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over 12 years ago
happydays wrote:
U037 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:
Remember 1980 - U2 were a hot young band, the Cure made a NINE concert tour of NZ, Toy Love split up, Piggy Mudoon was PM....

and Mexico went down 4-0 in Auckland - and it was Herbert's debut for NZ (and probably Wednesday will be his last as manager).

And we have to win 4-0 on Wednesday to make the World Cup! (or else win by any five goal margin)

Brazil, USA, Panama and South Korea were the only other countries to beat Mexico in 1980 (P:25 W:9  D:8 L:8):

http://www.11v11.com/teams/mexico/tab/matches/season/1981

NZ BEAT MEXICO 4-0

http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/277564/football-day-nz-beat-mexico-4-0

"...The result, at Auckland's Bill McKinlay Park in 1980...

Excellent post Big Pete. The article says 5000 people watched the All Whites that night. It was a long time ago, but I recall a lot less people than that. The one thing I do remember clearly though, is the positivity and energy the team played with, they really took it the Mexicans. The same thing is needed on Wednesday. Being at sea-level should help.

Apologies if I missed the irony but really? What has changed since Thursday morning to make you think we can replicate a fluke result from 32 years ago?

Well, apart from a dream I had last night where the players locked Ricki in a cupboard over the weekend and wouldn't let him out (except for short stretches in a straight jacket to let him breathe) and Ryan Nelsen coached them over the phone from Toronto -
....what has changed is Mexico probably don't travel well - in fact they very, very rarely play outside of CONCACAF and when they do, they don't win many - last year they won three competitve matches away from home (all in CONCACAF & two of those were v Guyana and El Salvador); this year they've won only two competitive matches away from home (v Jamaica & v Japan, their sole win in the Confeds Cup). 
Of course not that Mexico will be so bad we'll win 4-0, but who knows, maybe it's possible to get a 2-1 or 2-0....
But, please Ricki, no Jeremy Christie and give Roux, Tuiloma and Henderson a run, Rojas and Smeltz more time and start James...
   

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 12 years ago

I already take day off that day, watch the game at Hong Kong 2pm on the internet. I won't give it up since, I believe we can still beat them. My team:

Moss

Durante Sigmund Smith

Rojas James McGlinchy Barbarouses

Brockie Fallon Smeltz

4:1 the final and we will win penalty shoot out!


Norwich City supporter since 1992, New Zealand supporter since 2010 but without Rory Fallon's winning goal against Bahrain, I won't know about New Zealand Football.

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over 12 years ago

There won't be a penalty shoot out (or extra time for that matter) if the score is 4-1.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 12 years ago

Having had a couple of days to ruminate on the defeat I guess the thing I'm most disappointed about is that we aren't going into this game with any realistic hope at all.  Even if it had been 4-1 you might have felt we had an unlikely chance, but it's all just a bit grim really

Normo's coming home

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over 12 years ago
Big Pete 65 wrote:
happydays wrote:
U037 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:
Remember 1980 - U2 were a hot young band, the Cure made a NINE concert tour of NZ, Toy Love split up, Piggy Mudoon was PM....

and Mexico went down 4-0 in Auckland - and it was Herbert's debut for NZ (and probably Wednesday will be his last as manager).

And we have to win 4-0 on Wednesday to make the World Cup! (or else win by any five goal margin)

Brazil, USA, Panama and South Korea were the only other countries to beat Mexico in 1980 (P:25 W:9  D:8 L:8):

http://www.11v11.com/teams/mexico/tab/matches/season/1981

NZ BEAT MEXICO 4-0

http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/277564/football-day-nz-beat-mexico-4-0

"...The result, at Auckland's Bill McKinlay Park in 1980...

Excellent post Big Pete. The article says 5000 people watched the All Whites that night. It was a long time ago, but I recall a lot less people than that. The one thing I do remember clearly though, is the positivity and energy the team played with, they really took it the Mexicans. The same thing is needed on Wednesday. Being at sea-level should help.

Apologies if I missed the irony but really? What has changed since Thursday morning to make you think we can replicate a fluke result from 32 years ago?

Well, apart from a dream I had last night where the players locked Ricki in a cupboard over the weekend and wouldn't let him out (except for short stretches in a straight jacket to let him breathe) and Ryan Nelsen coached them over the phone from Toronto -

....what has changed is Mexico probably don't travel well - in fact they very, very rarely play outside of CONCACAF and when they do, they don't win many - last year they won three competitve matches away from home (all in CONCACAF & two of those were v Guyana and El Salvador); this year they've won only two competitive matches away from home (v Jamaica & v Japan, their sole win in the Confeds Cup). 

Of course not that Mexico will be so bad we'll win 4-0, but who knows, maybe it's possible to get a 2-1 or 2-0....

But, please Ricki, no Jeremy Christie and give Roux, Tuiloma and Henderson a run, Rojas and Smeltz more time and start James...

   


Mexico doesn't play outside of CONCACAF that much cuz the FMF makes lots of money playing in the US, even if against rubbish teams most the time (we have played NZ two times for the same reason), while they're mostly boring games, they have helped financing our youth teams and women sides, so I can't complain much.
Now, Mexico don't travel well in CONCACAF, cuz there's a huge hostility in the area, especially in Central America. When we have played outside of Concacaf we have done ok most the times (most of the past Copas America, except the last one where we had a U-22 team and the Confed, but it was a team in crisis).
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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
austin10 wrote:

I think Ricki will field much the same team and its quite likely he will play Christie again....just to be bloody minded. He has said that the selection wasn't the problem for the first match so if he drops Christie then it will be an admission that he got it wrong first leg. If that Radio report is right then Herbert won't play youth...he will only make changes enforced by the Yellow suspension.....so expect Siggy for Ivan, Rory for Wood and most probably Roux for Bertos. I think these will be the only changes. In Rickis world he thinks it was the players execution not his tactics or selections that cost us the first leg.


There will be some very grumpy customers at the ROF if Christie gets a start. 

You know Austin when I got up this morning, I would not have believed this above but having heard Ricki in the press today, I think you are bang on. He is going to wave two fingers in the air to everyone and do what he has always done. I have to say, if he thinks thats the right way to go about it in a 4-0 must win game that we will not win, then he really does need to go and mail his resignation in before the game kicks off.

Agree totally. Herbert's 'all about me' post-match ravings and lash at the critics will make him even more bloody minded. He will make the forced changes you mention above, and that will be it. He's in chronic space right now, and will just stick his 2 fingers in the air with his selection. I expect Mexico to beat Herbert's starting lineup on Wednesday. They will sit back a bit early to make sure we're out of the tie, then pick us off on the counter. 

 

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over 12 years ago

Would you "sit" on a 4-0 lead or would you try and get another early goal to kill off any spirit and then sit back orplay for fun?


"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 12 years ago

If, for arguments sake, we accept Rickis claim that player selection was the best he could do for the first leg that still doesn't mean that the same selection would be the best he could do for this game because the first leg was about damage control but this one we need to score at least 4. So you could theoretically say that the selection in the first leg was perfect and still change it significantly because the team has to do something completely different. But I still don't think Mr Herbert will see it that way. I'm just desperately searching for straws to clutch at.

 

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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

Would you "sit" on a 4-0 lead or would you try and get another early goal to kill off any spirit and then sit back orplay for fun?


Not saying they'll sit on their 4 goal lead. Obviously they'll be keen to pick us off early if they can. 

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over 12 years ago


Nice fine weather pattern kicking into Welly from Tuesday. So torrid wind and rain night unlikely.

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over 12 years ago
patrick478 wrote:

There won't be a penalty shoot out (or extra time for that matter) if the score is 4-1.


If the score is 4-1 to us at the end f the game (wont happen though), then it WILL go to extra time + penalties
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over 12 years ago

No theyll still have scored more goals ....is my maths shiite ?

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over 12 years ago

What are the chances of Herbert starting Christie and leaving Marco on the bench?

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over 12 years ago
FU BLU wrote:

No theyll still have scored more goals ....is my maths shiite ?


Sorry my mistake, you're right. It would have to be 5-1 to us.
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over 12 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
ThreeFourThree wrote:

Would like to see Tuiloma for Bertos - has demonstrated ability to play as winger/wingback both locally, at NZ agegroup level and in Marseille, would add pace, a very good long throw and extra threat in the air to the squad.

 

And I don't buy into the 'unproven' argument. Has proven himself at agegroup WC level, plays week-in with the OM U19 squad - including in the UEFA Youth League (Youth equivalent of Champions League) against top U19 players from clubs such as Napoli, Borussia Dortmund and Arsenal, has also played for OM's Reserve Team and has recently started training with the OM First Team. You can't tell me that doesn't make him a better choice in the squad than an unattached player.

 


So basically, someone who's only played with kids, and never against good quality international players? 


surely anyone who is making their senior debut at any level has only played against kids and never against good quality players of that level? This kid may not be better than the other options in the squad, but if you want to build for the future you have to give people their debut at some stage.  Meaningless games like this seem to be a good place to start.


Meh. The argument originally was to put a kid who'd never played senior football above Northern Premier level to play in a crucial WC qualifier in foreign conditions, with guys he'd hardly ever met before let alone played much football with, against quality players the likes of which he'd only seen on TV before. 
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over 12 years ago
FU BLU wrote:

No theyll still have scored more goals ....is my maths shiite ?

Simplify:

(-5 + 3i)(-5)

Write your answer in the form

a + bi


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Throw Ricki's bullshit tactics out the window. At least score some goals...Please start Marco Rojas !!

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over 12 years ago


anyone know where the aw's training tomorrow? Newtown park or stade ring of fire

 

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over 12 years ago

Have NZF put out a press release about where/when fans can see the teams train etc?.......don't hold your breath on that one!

Who needs fans, who needs media

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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
FU BLU wrote:

No theyll still have scored more goals ....is my maths shiite ?

Simplify:

(-5 + 3i)(-5)

Write your answer in the form

a + bi





My maths has been taken outside by a man named Sunny ...they may be some time ....
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over 12 years ago
brettdale55 wrote:

will fenton start?

No.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 12 years ago

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's

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over 12 years ago
threatD wrote:

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's



Who would you have in place of Fenton?

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over 12 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's



Who would you have in place of Fenton?
Im not saying we have a better option, thus the problem. Fenton so far hasnt shown he is up to aleague level (i know others will disagree with this)
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over 12 years ago
threatD wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's



Who would you have in place of Fenton?
Im not saying we have a better option, thus the problem. Fenton so far hasnt shown he is up to aleague level (i know others will disagree with this)


But at this point in time we don't have a better option? So you'd agree on that basis Fenton needs to be in the team?

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ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's



Who would you have in place of Fenton?
Im not saying we have a better option, thus the problem. Fenton so far hasnt shown he is up to aleague level (i know others will disagree with this)


But at this point in time we don't have a better option? So you'd agree on that basis Fenton needs to be in the team?
Yes. I have no idea what point youre trying to make.

Edit: needs to might be a bit strong
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over 12 years ago

Pleased for Fenton that he has got a call up. But to cover what positions? Surely Ricki won't consider him for RB. We have plenty of wide attackers so he won't get a run there. Does Ricki know that Fenton has had a month out injured...has only played two part games on return and was absolute pants at RB last week. Potentially a good player but some way off international quality IMO

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threatD wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's



Who would you have in place of Fenton?
Im not saying we have a better option, thus the problem. Fenton so far hasnt shown he is up to aleague level (i know others will disagree with this)


But at this point in time we don't have a better option? So you'd agree on that basis Fenton needs to be in the team?
Yes. I have no idea what point youre trying to make.

Edit: needs to might be a bit strong


Because it's just a clear anti-Fenton trolling post and yet you have nothing constructive to offer in Fenton's place. This is a player who is 20, is still very much scaling the glacial learning curve of playing his international football in a possibly unhappy and lacking in confidence AW's. As well as playing his professional football in a club that well and truly had the stuffing knocked out of them last season. Both teams are either in or heading to a period of  change.

Fenton has knocked them in at U-20. When he debuted with the Nix he played some very handy football. Therefore if he is in the squad then I say well done and all the best.

Do I know if he will turn out to be a good player? Nope, but unlike Christie and Ivan who have had their careers  I am happy to give a young professional footballer a go in this instance and not stick the boot in.

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over 12 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
threatD wrote:

It concerns me that players like Fenton are anywhere near the AW's



Who would you have in place of Fenton?
Im not saying we have a better option, thus the problem. Fenton so far hasnt shown he is up to aleague level (i know others will disagree with this)


But at this point in time we don't have a better option? So you'd agree on that basis Fenton needs to be in the team?
Yes. I have no idea what point youre trying to make.

Edit: needs to might be a bit strong


Because it's just a clear anti-Fenton trolling post and yet you have nothing constructive to offer in Fenton's place. This is a player who is 20, is still very much scaling the glacial learning curve of playing his international football in a possibly unhappy and lacking in confidence AW's. As well as playing his professional football in a club that well and truly had the stuffing knocked out of them last season. Both teams are either in or heading to a period of  change.

Fenton has knocked them in at U-20. When he debuted with the Nix he played some very handy football. Therefore if he is in the squad then I say well done and all the best.

Do I know if he will turn out to be a good player? Nope, but unlike Christie and Ivan who have had their careers  I am happy to give a young professional footballer a go in this instance and not stick the boot in.
It's not about having a go at Fenton, its a comment about our lack of depth. And it certainly isnt trolling. Im guessing yo know him some how?
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