Auckland put together a decent squad with a mix of NZers and foreigners then it give NZ youngsters something decent to aspire to.
They have the Phoenix for that. No kid aspires to be paid in brown paper bags.
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you honestly don't get the point yet?
it's is a bit of a tricky one but the point is how many kiwi players (that are eligable to play for NZ) are Auckland City helping through the system?
yes the ASB needs a strong team in the CWC but do we need as many non-kiwi's there as you have? that is the point..
No I don't get it - if Auckland put together a mediocre side based on mediocre NZ players then tell me how that helps NZ football long term? The answer is fuck all. If, however, Auckland put together a decent squad with a mix of NZers and foreigners then it give NZ youngsters something decent to aspire to. It also reasonably represents the football playing population of Auckland. I'm not an NZ citizen but I have lived in Auckland for the vast majority of my adult life and if I was good enough to play for Auckland I would jump at the chance and feel proud to represent MY city.
for a start not all NZ players are mediocre are they? and some of the imports City have are barely better than some kiwi's - so what's the point? imports for imports sake?
ACFC want to win a game or two at the World Club Cup. Actually, most of these 'imports' as you call them approached ACFC of their own free will, wanting to come to Auckland for the lifestyle - Riera, Berlanga, being two - and to play for a team that would be playing the in the WCC before a world TV audience.
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you honestly don't get the point yet?
it's is a bit of a tricky one but the point is how many kiwi players (that are eligable to play for NZ) are Auckland City helping through the system?
yes the ASB needs a strong team in the CWC but do we need as many non-kiwi's there as you have? that is the point..
No I don't get it - if Auckland put together a mediocre side based on mediocre NZ players then tell me how that helps NZ football long term? The answer is fuck all. If, however, Auckland put together a decent squad with a mix of NZers and foreigners then it give NZ youngsters something decent to aspire to. It also reasonably represents the football playing population of Auckland. I'm not an NZ citizen but I have lived in Auckland for the vast majority of my adult life and if I was good enough to play for Auckland I would jump at the chance and feel proud to represent MY city.
for a start not all NZ players are mediocre are they? and some of the imports City have are barely better than some kiwi's - so what's the point? imports for imports sake?
ACFC want to win a game or two at the World Club Cup. Actually, most of these 'imports' as you call them approached ACFC of their own free will, wanting to come to Auckland for the lifestyle - Riera, Berlanga, being two - and to play for a team that would be playing the in the WCC before a world TV audience.
you sidestepped my question - I raised the possibility of some of the imports being no or not much better than kiwi lads - so is the approach imports for imports sake - if two players are at the same level isn't there some moral consideration ACFC must apply which means taking the Kiwi (or for clarity, the player who whilst might not be kiwi he is able to play for NZ or will be able to play for NZ in the near future).
Beating the drum a bit aren't you?
I don't pick you getting past the first game for all the imports you have. 3-0
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you sidestepped my question - I raised the possibility of some of the imports being no or not much better than kiwi lads - so is the approach imports for imports sake - if two players are at the same level isn't there some moral consideration ACFC must apply which means taking the Kiwi (or for clarity, the player who whilst might not be kiwi he is able to play for NZ or will be able to play for NZ in the near future).
in some cases yes. Mario Billen is a big waste space (you can quote Chris Bale on that) Bale, Irving, Berlanga and Roy are good. Tade is 20min footballer but good for that 20. Dickinson is a hack thug. Milne is a mile better Iwata, and have not seen Marquez. He'll play three games then bugger off taking his cash and doing nothing.Grumpy old bastard alert
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How many years has Tade been in NZ - Argintinia?
Would he rate above club level there?
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Just been told browne cant play for NZ. Playing for PNG under 17s killed that as he had to be available for nz at time
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and have not seen Marquez. He'll play three games then bugger off taking his cash and doing nothing.
Positive as always JV.
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and have not seen Marquez. He'll play three games then bugger off taking his cash and doing nothing.
Positive as always JV.
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The thing is, if NZ are to emerge as a genuine football nation, then we must have a genuine national league and until there's a better option the I'll be down there supporting ACFC until there's no one left. As far as I can see there is no more ambitious team out there than Auckland and yet everyone seems to want to cut them down.
Jeff - normally I think you are astute and obviously you watch Auckland often but for some reason you seem to dislike them intensely.
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The thing is, if NZ are to emerge as a genuine football nation, then we must have a genuine national league and until there's a better option the I'll be down there supporting ACFC until there's no one left. As far as I can see there is no more ambitious team out there than Auckland and yet everyone seems to want to cut them down.
Jeff - normally I think you are astute and obviously you watch Auckland often but for some reason you seem to dislike them intensely.
The way I look at it, if your supporters stopped being FIGJAMs, you would get so many more people in behind you but the attitude 'We are so superior' alienates a lot of folk. I might have a superior attitude, but I don't dress up my football team to be more than it is and by that fact alone, tell everyone else they are shit. I know exactly where the best domestic football gets played in the country and I go to watch it, but I don't dress it up to be anything more than a team of imports usually playing a team of Kiwis but you guys put your head in the sand about that fact. Put out like for like, and has been discussed elsewhere, the league would be a lot more interesting. Thats the fault of NZF for creating that situation but again, all the shit talk about 'our players don't get paid/they are here for a holiday/they all have real jobs' just really needs to stop because it takes the piss out of an amateur competition.
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and have not seen Marquez. He'll play three games then bugger off taking his cash and doing nothing.
Positive as always JV.
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Just been told browne cant play for NZ. Playing for PNG under 17s killed that as he had to be available for nz at time
Bugger - great wee talent
Playing age group doesn't disqualify you. Rory Fallon played age group for England. Heavens above, Durante was on the bench for the Socceroos, he just didn't take the field. You have to have played for the senior side to disqualify you playing for another country as far as I know (like with Krishna who is a NZ resident but has played senior internationals for Fiji).
David Browne was golden boot at St Peters college in 2011 and so two more years and he qualifies for NZ. Like we have with Storm Roux, we should snap him up for the senior All Whites as soon as he's available.
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The thing is, if NZ are to emerge as a genuine football nation, then we must have a genuine national league and until there's a better option the I'll be down there supporting ACFC until there's no one left. As far as I can see there is no more ambitious team out there than Auckland and yet everyone seems to want to cut them down.
Jeff - normally I think you are astute and obviously you watch Auckland often but for some reason you seem to dislike them intensely.
The way I look at it, if your supporters stopped being FIGJAMs, you would get so many more people in behind you but the attitude 'We are so superior' alienates a lot of folk. I might have a superior attitude, but I don't dress up my football team to be more than it is and by that fact alone, tell everyone else they are shit. I know exactly where the best domestic football gets played in the country and I go to watch it, but I don't dress it up to be anything more than a team of imports usually playing a team of Kiwis but you guys put your head in the sand about that fact. Put out like for like, and has been discussed elsewhere, the league would be a lot more interesting. Thats the fault of NZF for creating that situation but again, all the shit talk about 'our players don't get paid/they are here for a holiday/they all have real jobs' just really needs to stop because it takes the piss out of an amateur competition.
Give the anti-ACFC bile a rest JV, talk about a mad dog with a bone.
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Just been told browne cant play for NZ. Playing for PNG under 17s killed that as he had to be available for nz at time
Bugger - great wee talent
Playing age group doesn't disqualify you. Rory Fallon played age group for England. Heavens above, Durante was on the bench for the Socceroos, he just didn't take the field. You have to have played for the senior side to disqualify you playing for another country as far as I know (like with Krishna who is a NZ resident but has played senior internationals for Fiji).
David Browne was golden boot at St Peters college in 2011 and so two more years and he qualifies for NZ. Like we have with Storm Roux, we should snap him up for the senior All Whites as soon as he's available.
I don't believe that's the case anymore. If you play age group in a proper game (I.e qualifying tournament for a world cup - not a friendly). You are toast playing for anyone else
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it's only ok to swap if when you played for country A you were already eligable for country B (or C or D...)
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Thank you Chopah. What I have been saying all along. When he played for country A (PNG), he was not eligible for country b (NZ). Just like Vince Lia.
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Just been told browne cant play for NZ. Playing for PNG under 17s killed that as he had to be available for nz at time
Bugger - great wee talent
Playing age group doesn't disqualify you. Rory Fallon played age group for England. Heavens above, Durante was on the bench for the Socceroos, he just didn't take the field. You have to have played for the senior side to disqualify you playing for another country as far as I know (like with Krishna who is a NZ resident but has played senior internationals for Fiji).
David Browne was golden boot at St Peters college in 2011 and so two more years and he qualifies for NZ. Like we have with Storm Roux, we should snap him up for the senior All Whites as soon as he's available.
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The thing is, if NZ are to emerge as a genuine football nation, then we must have a genuine national league and until there's a better option the I'll be down there supporting ACFC until there's no one left. As far as I can see there is no more ambitious team out there than Auckland and yet everyone seems to want to cut them down.
Jeff - normally I think you are astute and obviously you watch Auckland often but for some reason you seem to dislike them intensely.
The way I look at it, if your supporters stopped being FIGJAMs, you would get so many more people in behind you but the attitude 'We are so superior' alienates a lot of folk. I might have a superior attitude, but I don't dress up my football team to be more than it is and by that fact alone, tell everyone else they are shit. I know exactly where the best domestic football gets played in the country and I go to watch it, but I don't dress it up to be anything more than a team of imports usually playing a team of Kiwis but you guys put your head in the sand about that fact. Put out like for like, and has been discussed elsewhere, the league would be a lot more interesting. Thats the fault of NZF for creating that situation but again, all the shit talk about 'our players don't get paid/they are here for a holiday/they all have real jobs' just really needs to stop because it takes the piss out of an amateur competition.
Give the anti-ACFC bile a rest JV, talk about a mad dog with a bone.
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Thank you Chopah. What I have been saying all along. When he played for country A (PNG), he was not eligible for country b (NZ). Just like Vince Lia.
Unless you want to play for Mexico of course.
For me, a lot of it comes from the trolling that used to come from the knitting circle that the nix were just a team full of Aussies that did nothing as a pathway for nz players. Now that ACFC are just a team full of imports, it's suddenly ok.
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and have not seen Marquez. He'll play three games then bugger off taking his cash and doing nothing.
Positive as always JV.
That's resonably glass housed of you Sidney.
I have valid reasons in which to be negative.
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Thank you Chopah. What I have been saying all along. When he played for country A (PNG), he was not eligible for country b (NZ). Just like Vince Lia.
Unless you want to play for Mexico of course.
For me, a lot of it comes from the trolling that used to come from the knitting circle that the nix were just a team full of Aussies that did nothing as a pathway for nz players. Now that ACFC are just a team full of imports, it's suddenly ok.
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Unless you want to play for Mexico of course.
To be fair, that was a pretty unique situation. Just like Durante's. I' say in both cases FIFA stayed true to the spirit of the regulations.
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all the shit talk about 'our players don't get paid/they are here for a holiday/they all have real jobs' just really needs to stop because it takes the piss out of an amateur competition.
I guess we will have to endure the ACFC chairman spouting this B#**S#*& at the CWC again shortly.
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The thing is, if NZ are to emerge as a genuine football nation, then we must have a genuine national league and until there's a better option the I'll be down there supporting ACFC until there's no one left. As far as I can see there is no more ambitious team out there than Auckland and yet everyone seems to want to cut them down.
Jeff - normally I think you are astute and obviously you watch Auckland often but for some reason you seem to dislike them intensely.
The way I look at it, if your supporters stopped being FIGJAMs, you would get so many more people in behind you but the attitude 'We are so superior' alienates a lot of folk. I might have a superior attitude, but I don't dress up my football team to be more than it is and by that fact alone, tell everyone else they are shit. I know exactly where the best domestic football gets played in the country and I go to watch it, but I don't dress it up to be anything more than a team of imports usually playing a team of Kiwis but you guys put your head in the sand about that fact. Put out like for like, and has been discussed elsewhere, the league would be a lot more interesting. Thats the fault of NZF for creating that situation but again, all the shit talk about 'our players don't get paid/they are here for a holiday/they all have real jobs' just really needs to stop because it takes the piss out of an amateur competition.
The problem is that you're responding to me as if my opinions are carbon copies of all other ACFC fans and not taking my posts at face value. I can't remember ever suggesting that the Phoenix are evil or complaining that they are a team full of Aussies or that ACFC are 'coalface' football. I don't understand your knitting circle reference and I just had to look up what a FIGJAM is. I have, however, suggested that the ASBP is good because it benefits the majority of NZers who like football and it generates local rivalries etc. I have also only commented on players with full time jobs where I know they exist such as Chris Bale, who missed a game in the islands earlier this due due to work commitments. For the most part though, I don't really care to speculate.
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Good game at the weekend - could have been a very different result if John Irving hadn't blocked off the line in the last few minutes.
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Anyway back on subject and enough trolling. What are everyone's thoughts on the probability of beating a team from Morroco? I would imagine much better then a Japanese team but much slimmer then a UAE team?
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Raja Casablanca have just appointed a new coach due to poor performance by the team in league play this season. Sure to have some effect either way.
http://www.supersport.com/football/africa/news/131130/Raja_Casablanca_sign_Maaloul
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Raja Casablanca have just appointed a new coach due to poor performance by the team in league play this season. Sure to have some effect either way.
http://www.supersport.com/football/africa/news/131130/Raja_Casablanca_sign_Maaloul
I'd imagine this is not good news for Auckland as it seems to me new coaches normally start with an impact.
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Yeah could take that news either way.
I think this is City's best chance since 09 to get past the first match.
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Raja Casablanca have just appointed a new coach due to poor performance by the team in league play this season. Sure to have some effect either way.
http://www.supersport.com/football/africa/news/131130/Raja_Casablanca_sign_Maaloul
I'd imagine this is not good news for Auckland as it seems to me new coaches normally start with an impact.
I like the fact Casablanca haven't been performing well this season, even a new coach can't turn that around straight away. Hopefully ACFC can get past them and into the CWC proper. If they do their next game is against Monterrey. Fingers crossed Ali. Three wins from playing the European champions! Imagine????Little ACFC Club World Cup champions....All complaints about knitting circles, boasting, imports, Figjams and Jaffas on a postcard to JV please.
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Good game at the weekend - could have been a very different result if John Irving hadn't blocked off the line in the last few minutes.
Think John Irving has proved a real find, nice and composed and no nonsense. Good to see veteran James Pritchett performing well again, what a fantastic servant he has been to ACFC.
Have to say ACFC looked more cautious this time against Waitakere than they did in the Charity Cup fixture. Clearly many of the players were thinking of Morocco.
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When is the CWC game being played? Are they showing it at Kiwitea St?
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Raja Casablanca have just appointed a new coach due to poor performance by the team in league play this season. Sure to have some effect either way.
http://www.supersport.com/football/africa/news/131130/Raja_Casablanca_sign_Maaloul
I'd imagine this is not good news for Auckland as it seems to me new coaches normally start with an impact.
I like the fact Casablanca haven't been performing well this season, even a new coach can't turn that around straight away. Hopefully ACFC can get past them and into the CWC proper. If they do their next game is against Monterrey. Fingers crossed Ali. Three wins from playing the European champions! Imagine????Little ACFC Club World Cup champions....All complaints about knitting circles, boasting, imports, Figjams and Jaffas on a postcard to JV please.
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Yeah could take that news either way.
I think this is City's best chance since 09 to get past the first match.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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Yeah could take that news either way.
I think this is City's best chance since 09 to get past the first match.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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When is the CWC game being played? Are they showing it at Kiwitea St?
Unfortunately the game is live on Sommet sports freeview at 8.30am on the 12th and I can't find any pub/café with this service. A great shame it's not on Sky.
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Raja Casablanca have just appointed a new coach due to poor performance by the team in league play this season. Sure to have some effect either way.
http://www.supersport.com/football/africa/news/131130/Raja_Casablanca_sign_Maaloul
I'd imagine this is not good news for Auckland as it seems to me new coaches normally start with an impact.
I like the fact Casablanca haven't been performing well this season, even a new coach can't turn that around straight away. Hopefully ACFC can get past them and into the CWC proper. If they do their next game is against Monterrey. Fingers crossed Ali. Three wins from playing the European champions! Imagine????Little ACFC Club World Cup champions....All complaints about knitting circles, boasting, imports, Figjams and Jaffas on a postcard to JV please.
Crikey, get a grip JV, this is almost humour. Get back on the gin.
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