Exodus Team Wellington 2010/2011

Sometimes, but the revisionist view of the world is that the ASB Premiership would get as much coverage as Super 14 if there was no A-League side.

On the subject of chants at TW, the only time I have witnessed any chants was after the Phoenix started when Nix fans that I'd never seen at NZFC games before started to appear at TW. It died down, not because TW was considered less chant-worthy but because people didn't join in much. If it's just you and your mate, it doesn't really count as chanting

Please take your commonsense and logical points off these fourms.  They are not welcome.

Ban.

I don't disagree with the fact that The Phoenix have increased the profile of football in NZ which is good. However, it's simply apathy on the part of NZF and football fans that the ASBP seems unable to grow. I don't have a problem with the Phoenix as such - I have an issue with the lack of enthusiasm towards the ASBP.

Rock N Roll! That would be cool if I could be banned on the day I joined.

What exactly do you want it to grow into?

That is actually more sensible. Only full on football supporters would go to asbp games,the Phoenix help more people become that kind of supporter.

Casual supporters tend to not attend games at random parks,they tend to only support professional sport. Asbp will not get those fans in great numbers while it is an amateur league. NZF could pump lots of money that they don't have into doing that,moving teams into main stadiums,attracting better players. But they simply don't have the money to do so.

This is where the Phoenix step in. Keep the casual fan into football,maybe convert some into full on fans who then attend asbp. Encourage young players to play the game,make it to asbp level and improve it overall. Meanwhile there is a more direct pathway to professional football for current players.

I don't see where the argument comes from. The 2 quite clearly complement one another. Maybe one day we will have the money to establish a full proffessional league in this country (though even rugby struggles,so it will be bloody difficult),but until then this works well enough.

This thread is so retro!

I blame doloras the delorean

A better league?

C'mon 2B surely you don't think the ASBP is hitting it's head up against a ceiling do you?

Wait, it's not me who's generating 1.21 jiggawatts, it's Azevo and his insane perpetual motion machine.

How do you get a better league though?

Higher quality. More competitive. Better players.

Three for starters, all intertwined.

So money?

Where is this money coming from?

NZF and sponsors.

You're making it out like i'm saying it's an easy fix. It's not. But do you not want to see the ASBP improve over time? Surely a healthy national league is a good base for having a good national team.

Maybe NZF could restructure its finances - might be a good deal in Switzerland after 18 April.

Remember it was only a few years ago NZF just about went broke.  And you can't build a competition in the hope that we qualify for a WC every four years and that a ASBP team qualifies for the CWC.  You need something that is sustainable regardless of the economic conditions.

Sponsors?  I think we all know that there is f**k all money from sponsors these days.

I would love the ASBP to be of a better standard, but I just don't see any obvious solutions.

Probably re-hashing discussions elsewhere, but it was interesting reading the reasons put forward for the different atmosphere at the TW and Nix games.

The 4 games I've been to it almost feels like when I watch Jnr Jnr's or Jnrette's team play... but with less feeling (i.e. a nice family day out at the footy).

Nix feels like MY club (without me having to sink $5 mill in each year) and something that I feel quite passionate about.


Would throwing vast amounts of money at NZF/ASBP transform it from the nice quiet "friendly" games to ones where TW fans get their kits off @ 80 mins and ACFC fans get all stabby?

I reckon it's pretty simple to understand really.

Wellington isn't actually that big a town and as far is football here is concerned the Phoenix is the main show - there's just no contest.

There's also no doubt that the Phoenix has cannibalised some of the potential interest in Team Wellington. In some respects I think TW has done well to survive at all.

While it's a lovely idea that we might be able to build up the interest in, and quality of, the NZFC over time, if people expect to see any real kind of progress in developing professional football in NZ then it's not going to be through the NZFC, it will be through the A-League. Why on earth would we bother building an infrastructure here when the A-League provides one ready made? It would be a much more effective use of the limited resources available to football in NZ to put them into new A-League franchises.

Ideally the top tier of NZ football would be say, three A-League franchises employing around 20-30 Kiwis supported by a bunch of Aussies and a few sexy imports. Below that there will always be some form of National League, but it should be strictly amateur and just a feeder to the A-League franchises.

I'm not worried about the A-League's current speed wobbles either, the FFA have too much skin in the game and they will get the formula right sooner rather than later.

The irony in all this is that for Christchurch and Auckland (the only two realistic choices) to ever get on the A-league map then they absolutely need one thing first - a successful Phoenix.

So everybody stop whinging, park the parochialism, look at the big picture, and try swimming with the current instead of against it.

Semi-Final highlights:

Hey, that's me standing up in the front row at 0:02. :D

Me on the left as the happy team Wellington fan after the first goal.

You look a lot shorter than I imagined you'd be.

Equal tallest on my team. Bunch of midgets at MAP.

Er, in the ASB Premiership, the whole idea is that it local (yes, parochial), 90 minutes of Kiwi football, Kiwi run, without interference from other countries or reference to how it compares to the A-League.
We are happy to be colleagial after the final whistle, but for 90 minutes 'we are Kiwi'....

So what are all those Spanish guys doing at Auckland then?

Coming to nz to play for free.

That's cool. Just don't expect me to buy the argument that the NZFC will ever get to the point where it can be professional. A much more sensible strategy for New Zealand to develop a local professional environment is to leverage off the A-League.

Working for one of the sponsors and playing football in their spare time.

Goodbye Stu...Hello Matt

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/4851219/Coach-leaves-Team-Wellington

Personally would have thought Simon George would be a much better choice. Interested in others thoughts..

But remember Miramar are running Team Wellington now....

Adam Cowan

Matt

Team Wellington Soccer Incorporated Head Coach Vacancy.

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