Do you have a link to the OFC report card please?20 Legend
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I still don't understand what the Nix's argument is.
They've called it a disgrace, and says the process lacks transparency. Yet they haven't actually given any examples which support that. Now that OFC have released their respective report cards, the opposite seems true.
Other than "we're the Phoenix" can someone cite an argument made by Dome that they'd be a better choice than Auckland or Christchurch?
No need to be flippant... Dome has the report and barely even mentioned it. The club is trying to make a point that OFC lack transparency yet they've given us no indication as to what the report card was missing.
So far the message has been "it's unfair" without any actual rationale. I'm looking to understand what the club's actual argument is, because so it's all just baseless claims.
The report basically says we meet the requirements for entry but doesn't say at all/in enough detail for Dome how we faired relatively compared to others (other than scoring lower) and what areas of the bid could have been better.
It does feel like Dome would like to see how they worked things out incl. for competing bids, not just the answers.
It’s not common in New Zealand to preempt a potential court case, or whatever they were talking about, in the media.
It’s a mess. Something will happen. Have a bit of patience. And then when it’s happened you can have a good gloat.
But it seems that Dome is representing the club’s and owners’ position, given the way the club has responded overall. And if the Nix men are not great currently, they’d be a lot worse off if some or all of the owners upped sticks.
Dome hasn't been shy about speaking to the media about this, so that doesn't really explain the lack of a genuine argument for me.
I'm genuinely not here to gloat, I'm trying to understand what their perspective is, but so far they haven't actually offered anything beyond "we're a professional club"
Well. It’s we’ve been ‘the’ professional club in the OFC. We have shown definitively we can run teams, develop players, further their careers overseas and help maintain a professional league that is struggling. We have evidence to demonstrate our skills.
We’ve increased the popularity of football in New Zealand and stabilised the professional game here and therefore in the confederation. We’ve had Roy Krishna as a star player, helping him to adjust to the professional game from the amateur NZ league.
From an equity point of view it seems cruel and petty to expect the Nix owners to continue to fund professional football in the OFC, while perhaps being the only professional club denied a potential CWC pathway to ease the financial burden of running a club.
It also is cruel to players at the Phoenix to deny them the chance to play in their confederation’s consequential knockout tournament, particularly while an Australian club is permitted entry.
It is some bizarre logic to make a confederation wide competition only to exclude its oldest and for almost two decades its only professional club, while including its newly arrived rival.
I’m shocked by how many Phoenix fans are prepared to stick the knife into the Nix, and help a hatchet job. There’s been some PR against them calling them unprofessional. Then they were whiny. That approach to attacking the longstanding professional club in the confederation is a sad one. If there are 3 close bids from currently the biggest football nation in the confederation surely let them all in? Does the OFC have too much professional football experience suddenly?
My feeling is this has to be like a boxing scorecard in that it’s going to be incredibly subjective. The whole league sinks or swims on external funding. Beyond that there’s very little individual clubs can do to maintain the league.
If they wanted proposals on how to develop professional footballers in the Pacific Islands, which is what everyone here is saying now that the criteria were, that surely is a separate proposal to showing you can run and maintain a team and a league.
It feels like there’s a lot of glee out there at the thought of the Nix getting a comeuppance and being humiliated. On the other hand, for us fans who have endured plenty of recent BS in team performance and quality levels and the arrogance of our new A league rivals who’ve invented football in NZ, this is just more crap. And while it might be fun for those who don’t like the club or Dome or if you’re Toomey or whoever, it’s not going to make NZ football better overall.
Should we (and NZ football) have done more to ensure it was either both or neither with the A league clubs? Yeh- I think so much earlier in the process.
Christchurch’s bid assumes they can bring more professional football to the South Island without losing it in the centre of the country. It assumes the Nix ownership is happy to be insulted and keep losing money funding the game while OFC and FIFA fund their rivals to develop competitive advantages. (Perhaps that’s even their A league strategy- to buy the Nix license and move it to Christchurch primarily with some games in Wellington. Sounds cheaper than 25 mill up front to APL.)
Anyway, without some lame controversy of this nature it wouldn’t be football in NZ.
I suppose we don’t thank or support Declan that much either, but that AW performance owes plenty to him and to the Nix, for creating a professional environment, making football seem attainable and focusing on technical ability.
My point above was now they’ve got the scorecards there’ll be a lull while they contemplate their next move. But I don’t know that they’ve got many, realistically.
You would think it is up to OFC to make their own choices not for a Court, but who knows in this crazy world. 3 applicants for 2 places, someone was going to miss out.
You would think it is up to OFC to make their own choices not for a Court, but who knows in this crazy world. 3 applicants for 2 places, someone was going to miss out.
court wont be making the decision as to who gets to play in the OFC, they'll be looking at the application of the criteria and whether it was fairly appled (in a legal sense). If not, then lilely they judge will make a recomendation that OFC try again and fairly this time ie without prejudice or bias.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I still don't understand what the Nix's argument is.
They've called it a disgrace, and says the process lacks transparency. Yet they haven't actually given any examples which support that. Now that OFC have released their respective report cards, the opposite seems true.
Other than "we're the Phoenix" can someone cite an argument made by Dome that they'd be a better choice than Auckland or Christchurch?
To be honest i dont understand what people dont get about the Phoenix being upset. Dont get how people dont see how unfair it is one A League club gets selected over another leaving one no path to the CWC. For me should have been both or neither especially when an Aussie team is in ahead of them. Love that Christchurch has a team there just dont get how people can be okay with 1 A League team ahead of the other. Also very strange many Nix fans seem to be okay with it.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I still don't understand what the Nix's argument is.
They've called it a disgrace, and says the process lacks transparency. Yet they haven't actually given any examples which support that. Now that OFC have released their respective report cards, the opposite seems true.
Other than "we're the Phoenix" can someone cite an argument made by Dome that they'd be a better choice than Auckland or Christchurch?
To be honest i dont understand what people dont get about the Phoenix being upset. Dont get how people dont see how unfair it is one A League club gets selected over another leaving one no path to the CWC. For me should have been both or neither especially when an Aussie team is in ahead of them. Love that Christchurch has a team there just dont get how people can be okay with 1 A League team ahead of the other. Also very strange many Nix fans seem to be okay with it.
I don't think most of us are ok with it, we just mostly assume that the Nix put in a pretty average bid compared to the other two.
Based on what I've heard from Dome about this there seems to be an unwillingness to acknowledge what this league is being created for while Edwards is well aware and is talking about it. I'm certainly assuming that they didn't do a good job here rather than assuming that OFC must be corrupt just because we didn't get in.
Let's be honest, based on the last twelve months that's not an unfair assumption.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I still don't understand what the Nix's argument is.
They've called it a disgrace, and says the process lacks transparency. Yet they haven't actually given any examples which support that. Now that OFC have released their respective report cards, the opposite seems true.
Other than "we're the Phoenix" can someone cite an argument made by Dome that they'd be a better choice than Auckland or Christchurch?
To be honest i dont understand what people dont get about the Phoenix being upset. Dont get how people dont see how unfair it is one A League club gets selected over another leaving one no path to the CWC. For me should have been both or neither especially when an Aussie team is in ahead of them. Love that Christchurch has a team there just dont get how people can be okay with 1 A League team ahead of the other. Also very strange many Nix fans seem to be okay with it.
I don't think most of us are ok with it, we just mostly assume that the Nix put in a pretty average bid compared to the other two.
Based on what I've heard from Dome about this there seems to be an unwillingness to acknowledge what this league is being created for while Edwards is well aware and is talking about it. I'm certainly assuming that they didn't do a good job here rather than assuming that OFC must be corrupt just because we didn't get in.
Let's be honest, based on the last twelve months that's not an unfair assumption.
Gotta warn you Monto: you’re sounding very English in your negativity.
During the last twelve months the Nix have debuted Luke Brooke Smith that I’ve seen some describe here as having the highest ceiling of any young player they’ve seen. Certainly there’s excitement. Gone from amateur football to a potential WC bolter.
What CU has said has: 1) we can bring football to a new place, which assumes the Nix will just continue as FIFA doles out cash and opportunities to their rivals. IE assumes there’s no loss only upside. 2) Christchurch is closer to the rest of the SI. 3) We’re friends with Vanuatu and the Solomons.
None of that suggests to me that CU has some mystical blend that is going to ensure PNG or Tahiti get to the following World Cup. Or certainly not that there was one clearly superior bid.
What is this league being created for, that the Nix are unaware of, but that you and CU have knowledge of? It’s not to create the best possible football league for OFC? Something else?
To quote our local journalist from earlier in the thread: This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?
You're not wrong.- A. Voerman.
I mean if all of our fans and the rest the schadenfraueden country is convinced that it’s obviously clear that for the good of the country, OFC and everything that CU is better than us, let’s just give them our A league license and save Rob and co the money right?
This is the kind of thing where the fans need to support our club. I mean it’s just assumed there should never be a hub in Wellington home of football, the 2009 playoff and several other great football events. As it was assumed before 2009 that NHS was better. Why not? Wellington supports a good event. It’s also capital because it is in the middle and so easiest to travel to for the whole country.
In the other words if we’re a bunch of defeatists and when they say obviously Auckland and ChCh are better we go ‘yeh, that’s true’ why bother having a club?
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I still don't understand what the Nix's argument is.
They've called it a disgrace, and says the process lacks transparency. Yet they haven't actually given any examples which support that. Now that OFC have released their respective report cards, the opposite seems true.
Other than "we're the Phoenix" can someone cite an argument made by Dome that they'd be a better choice than Auckland or Christchurch?
To be honest i dont understand what people dont get about the Phoenix being upset. Dont get how people dont see how unfair it is one A League club gets selected over another leaving one no path to the CWC. For me should have been both or neither especially when an Aussie team is in ahead of them. Love that Christchurch has a team there just dont get how people can be okay with 1 A League team ahead of the other. Also very strange many Nix fans seem to be okay with it.
I don't think most of us are ok with it, we just mostly assume that the Nix put in a pretty average bid compared to the other two.
Based on what I've heard from Dome about this there seems to be an unwillingness to acknowledge what this league is being created for while Edwards is well aware and is talking about it. I'm certainly assuming that they didn't do a good job here rather than assuming that OFC must be corrupt just because we didn't get in.
Let's be honest, based on the last twelve months that's not an unfair assumption.
Gotta warn you Monto: you’re sounding very English in your negativity.
During the last twelve months the Nix have debuted Luke Brooke Smith that I’ve seen some describe here as having the highest ceiling of any young player they’ve seen. Certainly there’s excitement. Gone from amateur football to a potential WC bolter.
What CU has said has: 1) we can bring football to a new place, which assumes the Nix will just continue as FIFA doles out cash and opportunities to their rivals. IE assumes there’s no loss only upside. 2) Christchurch is closer to the rest of the SI. 3) We’re friends with Vanuatu and the Solomons.
None of that suggests to me that CU has some mystical blend that is going to ensure PNG or Tahiti get to the following World Cup. Or certainly not that there was one clearly superior bid.
What is this league being created for, that the Nix are unaware of, but that you and CU have knowledge of? It’s not to create the best possible football league for OFC? Something else?
To quote our local journalist from earlier in the thread: This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?
You're not wrong.- A. Voerman.
I mean if all of our fans and the rest the schadenfraueden country is convinced that it’s obviously clear that for the good of the country, OFC and everything that CU is better than us, let’s just give them our A league license and save Rob and co the money right?
This is the kind of thing where the fans need to support our club. I mean it’s just assumed there should never be a hub in Wellington home of football, the 2009 playoff and several other great football events. As it was assumed before 2009 that NHS was better. Why not? Wellington supports a good event. It’s also capital because it is in the middle and so easiest to travel to for the whole country.
In the other words if we’re a bunch of defeatists and when they say obviously Auckland and ChCh are better we go ‘yeh, that’s true’ why bother having a club?
The league clearly exists to create pro pathways for island players, not nz players. CU has certainly said more public things about assisting those pathways than the Nix has and that's all I have to go on atm. What's more OFC seem to agree with that.
Stop being so damn dramatic and misrepresenting anything anyone else says with your endless paragraphs.
We will find out in due course the nature of the bids and if ours really was inferior, I think it is likely that it was but that is just my opinion.
Of course I would expect the Nix to challenge this decision, I would be disappointed if they didn't, but based on what I've heard in the media Dome does come across a bit whiny about it for someone that may well have been bested by a far smaller org.
Sorry that not all of us just blindly go in to bat for the club.
"The league clearly exists to create pro pathways for island players, not nz players."
If this was the case then why have they allowed two NZ teams and a team from Australia into the league? I'm fine with CU being involved, just not with AFC and CU being involved when the Nix are ignored or deemed to have missed the mark with their application - apparently 17 years of history and development of players in Oceania means nothing! The amount of money the Nix have invested into developming football in NZ (oceania) is massive, what have AFC done in that area? Nothing.
Okay Monto wrong. It’s the OFC pro league. I know a bunch of you have also claimed including New Zealand in its own confederation is some how cheating: it is very much not! We’re sure AF not getting included in confederation cups in Asia or elsewhere.
And worse you and whoever else smack talking about the club based on BS you’re simply making up.
And yes, it is an opportunity to create professional football in some of the most difficult places to run a professional league.
The fact that on top of Dome presenting his case, one of the ownership group has come forward to put their case should tell you the ownership group is very much less than happy about the events.
I’m not being over dramatic, but yeh I’m a little pissed off that ‘fans’ are pissing on their own club on the basis that ‘this has nothing to do with NZ’ etc. or the idea that it’s only about Pacific Island players or somehow the percentage of Pasifika in the academy.
Bringing a strong financially viable and stable team to the league has to be important.
As pointed out there’s many FIFA barriers to young players moving countries. As with getting visas for better players overseas from lowly ranked teams this is a FIFA, confederations and governments issue.
I think fans of the Nix should back the Nix to be in their confederations cup. I don’t think some mumblef about Chiefy should be brought into this discussion. Its very much separate things. If you wanna support AFC or CU- and no surprise who the chief knocker on this board is, though I know he argues differently- support them. This is clearly important for the club or they wouldn’t have reacted as they have.
I think the owner spoke up, because he could see Dome’s message was coming across very poorly and not up to the standard expected by the owners.
Or to show that Dome’s message was the owner’s message. It was the same statement. We’ve a proven track record as a professional club. Why exclude us when you have to build a bunch of other pro clubs from scratch? Why deliberately snub the people who’ve been funding your only professional team for so long?
In your case, you’re a provocateur and an Auckland fan as well as your support for Wellington. And you blame Dome for last season’s issues. But this is more than getting last season to stick on Dome, Gilly and Chief. It’s more important.
I'd argue that the owner spoke up and said the same message as Dome.
And for some reason a percentage of our fans want to hate on the club more than even Nick Becker. “Oh AFC, we’re not worthy, we’re so terrible. Us finishing second is meaningless because it was terrible us, but you winning means we’re not worthy. Omg. You’ll probably never lose a game ever or do anything wrong, but we lost to Heidelberg! Ahhh.”
It’s not common in New Zealand to preempt a potential court case, or whatever they were talking about, in the media.
It’s a mess. Something will happen. Have a bit of patience. And then when it’s happened you can have a good gloat.
But it seems that Dome is representing the club’s and owners’ position, given the way the club has responded overall. And if the Nix men are not great currently, they’d be a lot worse off if some or all of the owners upped sticks.
Dome hasn't been shy about speaking to the media about this, so that doesn't really explain the lack of a genuine argument for me.
I'm genuinely not here to gloat, I'm trying to understand what their perspective is, but so far they haven't actually offered anything beyond "we're a professional club"
Well. It’s we’ve been ‘the’ professional club in the OFC. We have shown definitively we can run teams, develop players, further their careers overseas and help maintain a professional league that is struggling. We have evidence to demonstrate our skills.
We’ve increased the popularity of football in New Zealand and stabilised the professional game here and therefore in the confederation. We’ve had Roy Krishna as a star player, helping him to adjust to the professional game from the amateur NZ league.
From an equity point of view it seems cruel and petty to expect the Nix owners to continue to fund professional football in the OFC, while perhaps being the only professional club denied a potential CWC pathway to ease the financial burden of running a club.
It also is cruel to players at the Phoenix to deny them the chance to play in their confederation’s consequential knockout tournament, particularly while an Australian club is permitted entry.
It is some bizarre logic to make a confederation wide competition only to exclude its oldest and for almost two decades its only professional club, while including its newly arrived rival.
I’m shocked by how many Phoenix fans are prepared to stick the knife into the Nix, and help a hatchet job. There’s been some PR against them calling them unprofessional. Then they were whiny. That approach to attacking the longstanding professional club in the confederation is a sad one. If there are 3 close bids from currently the biggest football nation in the confederation surely let them all in? Does the OFC have too much professional football experience suddenly?
My feeling is this has to be like a boxing scorecard in that it’s going to be incredibly subjective. The whole league sinks or swims on external funding. Beyond that there’s very little individual clubs can do to maintain the league.
If they wanted proposals on how to develop professional footballers in the Pacific Islands, which is what everyone here is saying now that the criteria were, that surely is a separate proposal to showing you can run and maintain a team and a league.
It feels like there’s a lot of glee out there at the thought of the Nix getting a comeuppance and being humiliated. On the other hand, for us fans who have endured plenty of recent BS in team performance and quality levels and the arrogance of our new A league rivals who’ve invented football in NZ, this is just more crap. And while it might be fun for those who don’t like the club or Dome or if you’re Toomey or whoever, it’s not going to make NZ football better overall.
Should we (and NZ football) have done more to ensure it was either both or neither with the A league clubs? Yeh- I think so much earlier in the process.
Christchurch’s bid assumes they can bring more professional football to the South Island without losing it in the centre of the country. It assumes the Nix ownership is happy to be insulted and keep losing money funding the game while OFC and FIFA fund their rivals to develop competitive advantages. (Perhaps that’s even their A league strategy- to buy the Nix license and move it to Christchurch primarily with some games in Wellington. Sounds cheaper than 25 mill up front to APL.)
Anyway, without some lame controversy of this nature it wouldn’t be football in NZ.
I suppose we don’t thank or support Declan that much either, but that AW performance owes plenty to him and to the Nix, for creating a professional environment, making football seem attainable and focusing on technical ability.
My point above was now they’ve got the scorecards there’ll be a lull while they contemplate their next move. But I don’t know that they’ve got many, realistically.
Respectfully, a lot of what’s being said feels more like appeals to emotion than arguments.
It’s not enough to say the Phoenix are the oldest professional club, that they’ve grown the game, or that another A-League team was accepted. The question is why those things should matter to the OFC, and how they translate into OFC success.
As far as I can see, the Dome and the club hasn’t really spelled that out yet. Without that, it’s hard to judge the Phoenix bid on its merits rather than on sentiment.
To be clear, I'm not saying the Phoenix wouldn't be a better choice than CU. I'm saying that Dome hasn't actually told us why, and without the why he just looks like a whinger.
It seems like a good idea when you’re starting 7 or 8 new professional teams in order for your league to have success, to have a team from a club that is a banker. That has shown resilience and stability in the face of all kinds of shocks in the last ten years. And in addition this club has been involved in trouble shooting and stabilising other clubs in the A league.
That’s not very sentiment driven. That seems like useful experience to have on board when starting a new league.
If you go to a bank for a loan for a business and you go, well none of us have any experience, that’s either a no or a very expensive loan.
I'd argue that the owner spoke up and said the same message as Dome.
And for some reason a percentage of our fans want to hate on the club more than even Nick Becker. “Oh AFC, we’re not worthy, we’re so terrible. Us finishing second is meaningless because it was terrible us, but you winning means we’re not worthy. Omg. You’ll probably never lose a game ever or do anything wrong, but we lost to Heidelberg! Ahhh.”
It’s not common in New Zealand to preempt a potential court case, or whatever they were talking about, in the media.
It’s a mess. Something will happen. Have a bit of patience. And then when it’s happened you can have a good gloat.
But it seems that Dome is representing the club’s and owners’ position, given the way the club has responded overall. And if the Nix men are not great currently, they’d be a lot worse off if some or all of the owners upped sticks.
Dome hasn't been shy about speaking to the media about this, so that doesn't really explain the lack of a genuine argument for me.
I'm genuinely not here to gloat, I'm trying to understand what their perspective is, but so far they haven't actually offered anything beyond "we're a professional club"
Well. It’s we’ve been ‘the’ professional club in the OFC. We have shown definitively we can run teams, develop players, further their careers overseas and help maintain a professional league that is struggling. We have evidence to demonstrate our skills.
We’ve increased the popularity of football in New Zealand and stabilised the professional game here and therefore in the confederation. We’ve had Roy Krishna as a star player, helping him to adjust to the professional game from the amateur NZ league.
From an equity point of view it seems cruel and petty to expect the Nix owners to continue to fund professional football in the OFC, while perhaps being the only professional club denied a potential CWC pathway to ease the financial burden of running a club.
It also is cruel to players at the Phoenix to deny them the chance to play in their confederation’s consequential knockout tournament, particularly while an Australian club is permitted entry.
It is some bizarre logic to make a confederation wide competition only to exclude its oldest and for almost two decades its only professional club, while including its newly arrived rival.
I’m shocked by how many Phoenix fans are prepared to stick the knife into the Nix, and help a hatchet job. There’s been some PR against them calling them unprofessional. Then they were whiny. That approach to attacking the longstanding professional club in the confederation is a sad one. If there are 3 close bids from currently the biggest football nation in the confederation surely let them all in? Does the OFC have too much professional football experience suddenly?
My feeling is this has to be like a boxing scorecard in that it’s going to be incredibly subjective. The whole league sinks or swims on external funding. Beyond that there’s very little individual clubs can do to maintain the league.
If they wanted proposals on how to develop professional footballers in the Pacific Islands, which is what everyone here is saying now that the criteria were, that surely is a separate proposal to showing you can run and maintain a team and a league.
It feels like there’s a lot of glee out there at the thought of the Nix getting a comeuppance and being humiliated. On the other hand, for us fans who have endured plenty of recent BS in team performance and quality levels and the arrogance of our new A league rivals who’ve invented football in NZ, this is just more crap. And while it might be fun for those who don’t like the club or Dome or if you’re Toomey or whoever, it’s not going to make NZ football better overall.
Should we (and NZ football) have done more to ensure it was either both or neither with the A league clubs? Yeh- I think so much earlier in the process.
Christchurch’s bid assumes they can bring more professional football to the South Island without losing it in the centre of the country. It assumes the Nix ownership is happy to be insulted and keep losing money funding the game while OFC and FIFA fund their rivals to develop competitive advantages. (Perhaps that’s even their A league strategy- to buy the Nix license and move it to Christchurch primarily with some games in Wellington. Sounds cheaper than 25 mill up front to APL.)
Anyway, without some lame controversy of this nature it wouldn’t be football in NZ.
I suppose we don’t thank or support Declan that much either, but that AW performance owes plenty to him and to the Nix, for creating a professional environment, making football seem attainable and focusing on technical ability.
My point above was now they’ve got the scorecards there’ll be a lull while they contemplate their next move. But I don’t know that they’ve got many, realistically.
Respectfully, a lot of what’s being said feels more like appeals to emotion than arguments.
It’s not enough to say the Phoenix are the oldest professional club, that they’ve grown the game, or that another A-League team was accepted. The question is why those things should matter to the OFC, and how they translate into OFC success.
As far as I can see, the Dome and the club hasn’t really spelled that out yet. Without that, it’s hard to judge the Phoenix bid on its merits rather than on sentiment.
To be clear, I'm not saying the Phoenix wouldn't be a better choice than CU. I'm saying that Dome hasn't actually told us why, and without the why he just looks like a whinger.
I think if anything the club has certainly put forward WHY they think their bid should have been accepted, which you've dismissed out of hand. They can't say how much that matters to the OFC because they don't know.
So this is your example of not being sentimental and emotional ? Because this is two threads of you carrying on about Dome when this is clearly about bigger issues than him.
Then you decided that women’s football wasn’t real professional football, so the Nix weren’t allowed to mention that.
Then Monto says that this isn’t really about New Zealand players, it’s only about island players, which is blatantly not true when we’re talking about New Zealand and Aussie clubs. In particular why two NZ clubs are in and the Nix aren’t. And the OFC which is our confederation.
20legend then says everything is sentimental and therefore whiny, and I reply to that.
And then you just resort to attacking me personally when we’ve been talking about the Phoenix in general and the ownership rather than solely Dome.
Good lads. I don’t think I’ve much to add.
I don’t think the Nix are blameless but for those of us that are still Nix fans it’s worth supporting them in whatever they do to be included in their confederation’s league and OFC pathway. And I think a lot of the beat ups on the club are over the top or exaggerated.
Now the teams have been picked, which would be the top players in each position from the domestic league that we think should be targeted?
I can say that Monty Patterson is in Canada, doing sweet all. He'd be a handy pickup for either CU or Auckland II.
Does a bit of coaching (had/has an Academy in the 09?), so would be a good mentor for the younger kids.
Will be interesting to see what sort of squads are assembled.
Do Auckland II just enter their young reserve team that's played Northern League? You would think a few older players would be needed, such as a Patterson. Myer Bevan another propsect? Matt Ellis who has trialled at the Nix twice in the last 12 months?
There are already a couple of Fijians in the Auckland II squad - Semi Nabenu & Shiv Nair - plus Dejaun Naidoo. But I wouldn't surprised if they tried to get another couple of Pasika (maybe older) guys in as well.
If Christchurch United are true to their word, their squad should be primarily players from the South Island. Plus yes their little Vanuatu cohort. Someone like Luis Toomey could be a good pickup. A few NPL players like George Ott, Ryan Feutz & Seth Clark (a Cantab) maybe an option.
Will also depend who there coach is now that we know Ryan Edwards is concentrating solely on being GM and giving up being head gaffer. If it's Ifill he could bring some Olympic guys down to the Garden City.
And once things have hopefully calmed down, the Nix might even be prepared to negotiate a loan deal or two to CU. Young keeper Matt Foord is an ex CU player, and he seems currently 4th GK at best with the Nix. 6 months in the OFC League could be useful development experience.
PS. I like Domey, but in my view he hasn't handled this issue well. Symptomatic of coming off a tough 12 months for the club, and he's a bit worn out by it all?
But all the same the point remains from the beginning, and I haven’t seen anyone really disagree. Either both or neither A league clubs should be in or this is total BS. I don’t mind if they take AFC out or they put the Nix in. It’s poor leadership from the confederation and the national associations and unnecessarily divisive. Why would the Nix support Christchurch joining the A league after this carry on?
So this is your example of not being sentimental and emotional ? Because this is two threads of you carrying on about Dome when this is clearly about bigger issues than him.
Then you decided that women’s football wasn’t real professional football, so the Nix weren’t allowed to mention that.
Then Monto says that this isn’t really about New Zealand players, it’s only about island players, which is blatantly not true when we’re talking about New Zealand and Aussie clubs. In particular why two NZ clubs are in and the Nix aren’t. And the OFC which is our confederation.
20legend then says everything is sentimental and therefore whiny, and I reply to that.
And then you just resort to attacking me personally when we’ve been talking about the Phoenix in general and the ownership rather than solely Dome.
Good lads. I don’t think I’ve much to add.
I don’t think the Nix are blameless but for those of us that are still Nix fans it’s worth supporting them in whatever they do to be included in their confederation’s league and OFC pathway. And I think a lot of the beat ups on the club are over the top or exaggerated.
Good god man, relax a little.
We get it, we can't be real Nix fans like you if we don't assume the sun shines out of Domes dome.
So this is your example of not being sentimental and emotional ? Because this is two threads of you carrying on about Dome when this is clearly about bigger issues than him.
Then you decided that women’s football wasn’t real professional football, so the Nix weren’t allowed to mention that.
Then Monto says that this isn’t really about New Zealand players, it’s only about island players, which is blatantly not true when we’re talking about New Zealand and Aussie clubs. In particular why two NZ clubs are in and the Nix aren’t. And the OFC which is our confederation.
20legend then says everything is sentimental and therefore whiny, and I reply to that.
And then you just resort to attacking me personally when we’ve been talking about the Phoenix in general and the ownership rather than solely Dome.
Good lads. I don’t think I’ve much to add.
I don’t think the Nix are blameless but for those of us that are still Nix fans it’s worth supporting them in whatever they do to be included in their confederation’s league and OFC pathway. And I think a lot of the beat ups on the club are over the top or exaggerated.
Good god man, relax a little.
We get it, we can't be real Nix fans like you if we don't assume the sun shines out of Domes dome.
Seriously though, stop drinking.
You stopped drinking did you? I can be fun like you if I do?
It’s just unnecessary man.
Edit: Though tbf from my point of view I’m sure you’d all be great company to have a drink with because people with opinions are much more interesting drinking company than those with nothing to say especially on football.
But I don’t think the forum is usually a drinking activity for anyone I know. Maybe after a game. But yeh usually prefer to drink to celebrate and this is mostly bitterness, and certainly not happiness.
Now the teams have been picked, which would be the top players in each position from the domestic league that we think should be targeted?
I can say that Monty Patterson is in Canada, doing sweet all. He'd be a handy pickup for either CU or Auckland II.
Does a bit of coaching (had an Academy in the 09?), so would be a good mentor for the younger kids.
Will be interesting to see what sort of squads are assembled.
Do Auckland II just enter their young reserve team that's played Northern League? You would think a few older players would be needed, such as a Patterson. Myer Bevan another propsect? Matt Ellis who has trialled at the Nix twice in the last 12 months?
There are already a couple of Fijians in the Auckland II squad - Semi Nabenu & Shiv Nair - plus Dejaun Naidoo. But I wouldn't surprised if they tried to get another couple of Pasika (maybe older) guys in as well.
If Christchurch United are true to their word, their squad should be primarily players from the South Island. Plus yes their little Vanuatu cohort. Someone like Luis Toomey could be a good pickup. A few NPL players like George Ott, Ryan Feutz & Seth Clark (a Cantab) maybe an option.
Once things have hopefully calmed down, the Nix might even be prepared to negotiate a loan deal or two to CU. Young keeper Matt Foord is an ex CU player, and he seems currently 4th GK at best with the Nix. 6 months in the OFC League could be useful development experience.
PS. I like Domey, but in my view he hasn't handled this issue well. Symptomatic of coming off a tough 12 months for the club, and he's a bit worn out by it all?
Yeh. Actually sooner with the loan rules.
They and NZF need to be much nimbler and have some dispensation to be able to loan players without the risk of losing them to their A league squad or academy.
And to have some profit sharing rules in place so NZF and the Nix get sufficient dosh to keep the relevant parties happy.
And perhaps even announce helping on pushing the A league for a 4 + 1 system or some such for non-Kiwi OFC players. And various academy spots in NZ or high school places leading to potential academy spots.
Yes if Australia really wanted to win some football hearts & minds in the Pacific, the APL could make non Kiwi OFC players be assessed as locals for all A League clubs, ie not be part of the max 5 visa players.
This new OFC League will hopefully showcase a small number as being potentially worth an ALM contract.
Yes if Australia really wanted to win some football hearts & minds in the Pacific, the APL could make non Kiwi OFC players locals for all A League clubs, ie not be part of the max 5 visa players.
This new OFC League will hopefully showcase a small number as being potentially worth an ALM contract.
Or 1 special spot just for non-Kiwi OFC in the import allowance.
But Aussie don’t give up things easy and South Melbourne are a fairly anti-A league Aussie club right?
And then there’s their second league and Championship and etc??
I am starting to wish this bloody OL had ever been an option. For a start, if FIFA have a big wad if cash to develop football in Oceania then why involved well cashed pro clubs. AFC and the Nix dont need help in player development. The PI countries are dirt poor. Their football infastructure needs help in every area. Surely every cent of the FIFA developnent money should go to them. Have more PI clubs and only one amateur club from NZ and OZ. To pick only one if the NZ pro clubs was always going to cause trouble. Now we are going to see a rich powerful AFC smash this competition and take all the prizes, creating further resentment acoss Oceania
So this is your example of not being sentimental and emotional ? Because this is two threads of you carrying on about Dome when this is clearly about bigger issues than him.
Then you decided that women’s football wasn’t real professional football, so the Nix weren’t allowed to mention that.
Then Monto says that this isn’t really about New Zealand players, it’s only about island players, which is blatantly not true when we’re talking about New Zealand and Aussie clubs. In particular why two NZ clubs are in and the Nix aren’t. And the OFC which is our confederation.
20legend then says everything is sentimental and therefore whiny, and I reply to that.
And then you just resort to attacking me personally when we’ve been talking about the Phoenix in general and the ownership rather than solely Dome.
Good lads. I don’t think I’ve much to add.
I don’t think the Nix are blameless but for those of us that are still Nix fans it’s worth supporting them in whatever they do to be included in their confederation’s league and OFC pathway. And I think a lot of the beat ups on the club are over the top or exaggerated.
You're talking by far the most sense of anyone in the thread, please don't stop!
So this is your example of not being sentimental and emotional ? Because this is two threads of you carrying on about Dome when this is clearly about bigger issues than him.
Then you decided that women’s football wasn’t real professional football, so the Nix weren’t allowed to mention that.
Then Monto says that this isn’t really about New Zealand players, it’s only about island players, which is blatantly not true when we’re talking about New Zealand and Aussie clubs. In particular why two NZ clubs are in and the Nix aren’t. And the OFC which is our confederation.
20legend then says everything is sentimental and therefore whiny, and I reply to that.
And then you just resort to attacking me personally when we’ve been talking about the Phoenix in general and the ownership rather than solely Dome.
Good lads. I don’t think I’ve much to add.
I don’t think the Nix are blameless but for those of us that are still Nix fans it’s worth supporting them in whatever they do to be included in their confederation’s league and OFC pathway. And I think a lot of the beat ups on the club are over the top or exaggerated.
Good god man, relax a little.
We get it, we can't be real Nix fans like you if we don't assume the sun shines out of Domes dome.
So this is your example of not being sentimental and emotional ? Because this is two threads of you carrying on about Dome when this is clearly about bigger issues than him.
Then you decided that women’s football wasn’t real professional football, so the Nix weren’t allowed to mention that.
Then Monto says that this isn’t really about New Zealand players, it’s only about island players, which is blatantly not true when we’re talking about New Zealand and Aussie clubs. In particular why two NZ clubs are in and the Nix aren’t. And the OFC which is our confederation.
20legend then says everything is sentimental and therefore whiny, and I reply to that.
And then you just resort to attacking me personally when we’ve been talking about the Phoenix in general and the ownership rather than solely Dome.
Good lads. I don’t think I’ve much to add.
I don’t think the Nix are blameless but for those of us that are still Nix fans it’s worth supporting them in whatever they do to be included in their confederation’s league and OFC pathway. And I think a lot of the beat ups on the club are over the top or exaggerated.
You're talking by far the most sense of anyone in the thread, please don't stop!
Getting some of it right, but making people feel like sharke isn’t winning though, especially on a fan thread when we’re all here cos of the Nix.
I do want us to stand up for the Nix more, and not back down when outsiders get stuck in. I feel like if we want the Nix in Wellington it’s time to support them and not let AFC pretend everything good in football came with them, but if people want them to do better and change the way they’re doing things because we have been poor of late that’s also a way to be a fan. I’m just getting sick of defeatism, though.
I mean as soon as it hit the media we weren’t selected it was too late, right? The league format was set and any points like the main one about both or neither A league clubs needed to be made well before. Now as a result we’ve got a mess.
Now the teams have been picked, which would be the top players in each position from the domestic league that we think should be targeted?
I can say that Monty Patterson is in Canada, doing sweet all. He'd be a handy pickup for either CU or Auckland II.
Does a bit of coaching (had/has an Academy in the 09?), so would be a good mentor for the younger kids.
Will be interesting to see what sort of squads are assembled.
Do Auckland II just enter their young reserve team that's played Northern League? You would think a few older players would be needed, such as a Patterson. Myer Bevan another propsect? Matt Ellis who has trialled at the Nix twice in the last 12 months?
There are already a couple of Fijians in the Auckland II squad - Semi Nabenu & Shiv Nair - plus Dejaun Naidoo. But I wouldn't surprised if they tried to get another couple of Pasika (maybe older) guys in as well.
If Christchurch United are true to their word, their squad should be primarily players from the South Island. Plus yes their little Vanuatu cohort. Someone like Luis Toomey could be a good pickup. A few NPL players like George Ott, Ryan Feutz & Seth Clark (a Cantab) maybe an option.
Will also depend who there coach is now that we know Ryan Edwards is concentrating solely on being GM and giving up being head gaffer. If it's Ifill he could bring some Olympic guys down to the Garden City.
And once things have hopefully calmed down, the Nix might even be prepared to negotiate a loan deal or two to CU. Young keeper Matt Foord is an ex CU player, and he seems currently 4th GK at best with the Nix. 6 months in the OFC League could be useful development experience.
PS. I like Domey, but in my view he hasn't handled this issue well. Symptomatic of coming off a tough 12 months for the club, and he's a bit worn out by it all?
Surely the CU coach has to be a mainlander. Who would that be?
Sterling a possibility as overseas marquee? Any marquee players or imports allowed? Probably be as popular in the Islands as in the A league to see some famous names playing for a local club…
Sterling a possibility as overseas marquee? Any marquee players or imports allowed? Probably be as popular in the Islands as in the A league to see some famous names playing for a local club…
