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No habla Espanol - the NZFC bitch fight

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Corrales goal. Oh my. Probably the best goal i have seen live at any level of football. Unreal.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Jeff Vader wrote:
I went and watched today. Corrales scored one of the best goals scored at this level and the goal scored by Tade was sublime in the set up. Auckland deserved their 5 and could have made it embarrassingly more so. I think the 1st one by Danko was offside and a few people in the stand also kinda thought the same.

Objectively, Manawatu chose to sit off and in the first half, I don't think they made a tackle. They also pushed high with the defence and all the guy Andreu had to do was chip it over the top with some nice soft floaters. Corrales was easily man of the match and he gave Nathan Cooksley an absolute nightmare time up the right flank. Embarrasingly, Cooksley was given man of the match when he should have been dragged 25mins into it. He was worse than a park level footballer and I don't think he even cared to stand within 10y of Corrales and think about marking him.

Mulligan is the best footballer in the league but to be fair, he and Auckland were allowed to play and given the time and space with no pressure to do so. They did all of their stuff easily with out any pressure from Manawatu. When you take that into context, its easy to see why they play quite well - cause other teams are nowhere near as good and because they have no idea how to defend that style of play, they sit off and let them play. The Chinese guy Nobi up front was a passenger when he should have considered chasing the ball along the back 4 a bit more. Sure it might not have been the game plan, but to just sit and watch and let Auckland do their thing was even dumber. Take away their time on the ball and make them choose decisions under pressure and force the mistake. That was never going to happen. Cory Chettleburgh, if he was seriously in consideration for a Phoenix contract then Ricki must have rocks in his head. I always thought he had something about him until today. He was a complete also ran. While its hard when you have 5% possession, it even harder when he lofted that many balls into touch or took a quick freekick to a team mate 5y away with 3 ACFC players up his ass in his own half.

Auckland looked really good but to be fair, I think their undoing in Japan might be the Kiwi players (exclude Mulligan and Vicelich from that) whose first touch is a little off. You can see the skill of the imports and the time their first touch creates. Under pressure in the CWC, they will have nowhere near as much time on the ball and the first touch of Hogg, Pritchett, Coombes and Feneridis will let them down because they will then have to regather and make decisions under pressure. Another (and the last) criticism of Auckland was the amount of times they went back from an attacking position when there was a clear easy option going forward. Ramon has really coached them well in terms of keeping possession but I think he may have over coached it where the players will not take even the remotest risk of making even an 80-20 pass. I can recall a few times in the 2nd half when they broke and running 3 at Manwatu's back 4 - ACFC have the skill and pace but yet they get over half, slow it, allow Manawatu to put 10 men behind the ball again and it was frustrating. When you are 5 up, you either bring the kids on, or you take the risk and see what happens. Manawatu were never going to have a clue about how to shut it down so it begs to defy why so often they wanted to get organised. Other teams against them will not do the same in return.

Otherwise it really was a team that completely and totally outclassed the opposition and the 5 nil score line did not do it justice.

Credit to the 248 crew who actually kept their chants on Auckland and clean today so well played gentlemen.


Agree about that Cooksley, Awful at best. Surely he did not get man of match.


Jeff... Hoggs touch cant be that bad, last time Auckland City went...he was named in the club world cup tournament team alongside dani alves puyol and messi. His touch and driving runs are outstanding i think he will be instrumental in any success they have over there. But agree Pritchett does not have best touch but would possibly start him and Feneridis will have to fight it out in training for a starting spot i feel.

Andreu looked great today but again under no pressure from a hopeless manawatu side.

Agree on Mulligan.

Think Chettleburgh for Manawatu would be better in a good side, he was their best player but had nothing and i mean nothing around him to work with.

How it wasnt 10-0 is beyond me.
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I think Ian has gas to burn and uses it. Its his first touch when he gets the ball under pressure that I am not convinced of. He wasn't under any in this game but I think against the kind of opposition they are looking to play against, he is going to be under a lot more pressure and perhaps defend more than he has this year. I think above all else, this is the one attribute that Lochhead has that Hogg does not, a better first touch. Hogg would certainly smoke him for pace. I digress....

Yes Cooksley got man of the match. Stu Jacobs stood up and said he was giving it to him because of the adjustment at half time and he never gave up. In the first half he didn't try so anything was going to be an improvement and he was moved out of the left back spot so Corrales stopped embarrssing him. Why was he moved from there? Cause Stu recognised he was geting absolutely destroyed....

Chettleburgh had nothing to work with I agree but some of the options he did take, we just stopped and went 'but why?'. I can recall he had the CB 10 yards to his right. Rather than give it to him, he rifled it 40yards on the fly, into touch, on the full. This was common as was Borren playing forceback to Spoonley which I think Stu needs to be shot for not picking that one. Even a 'Hey Matt, stop kicking possession back to them on the full please' might have done it.

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Without taking any credit from ACFC , it was disappointing how  Manawatu approached the game. Basically they played  with no motivation, desire to (try) to win or, at least make it difficult for ACFC.

I am not sure which game Stu Jacobs watched.  "Manawatu coach Stu Jacobs was pleased his team kept on trying and never gave in despite falling behind".

This game was decided on the right flank where Corales beat his defender to many times creating good scoring opportunities.

Manawatu flat back four allowed a few balls to be chipped over and Corales manage to finish one of these with a very nice first touch volley.

I was surprised  that Stu didn't replaced his left fullback after 10-15 minutes or pushed him in midfield position (he did in 60min when it was 3:0) It was so obvious he can't keep up with Corales.  Perhaps he had no alternative on the bench?


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Owesome, the left back is Nathan Cooksley whom I and houndie referred to above.

The disappointing thing is that while I would not classify the 3 of us as football experts, if we can see it, why can't Stu? And to give him man of the match??????

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He has to be blind not to see... Probably he wanted to lift up Nathan's spirit after the game...Besides, when a team play so poorly so who cares who gets MOM?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I was looking for Manel, so I missed the Corrales goal.

Overall, it was a good free-flowing game, and though Manawatu were never dangerous, I thought they weren't too bad. Only criticism for ACFC was that Corrales was getting into perfect positions but then the ball would be passed back to the last line of defence (Andreu and Mulligan - I thought they were midfielders?) time and time again.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7HcqYxa6Q

Highlights from yesterday's match, Auckland City v YHM
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chris.acfc wrote:
I was looking for Manel, so I missed the Corrales goal.

Overall, it was a good free-flowing game, and though Manawatu were never dangerous, I thought they weren't too bad. Only criticism for ACFC was that Corrales was getting into perfect positions but then the ball would be passed back to the last line of defence (Andreu and Mulligan - I thought they were midfielders?) time and time again.
Disagree...thought for once this season auckland city looked to go foward alot more. Andreu and Mulligan in particular were hitting pin point diagonal long balls and serviced corallas well. Hes not going to get the ball evertyime there are always other options and its good to mix it up.

Mulligan had the rader out yesterday and Corallas was grateful for that because in the past its been easy for the wide players to become fustrated with laboured passing.

Great Higlights of the game whoever did that!
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Something must be wrong in the cosmos Houndie cause we are agreeing. Mulligans cross balls were almost on a string and if I was the man on the end of it, I'd be giving my bottle of red to Mulligan.

If this game was one where Auckland looked to go forward more then I don't want to see the other games and how backwards they would have gone.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
great to see that peace has broken out in this thread and we are starting to get some good analysis again!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
jeff, greyhound, what formation do ACFC use?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
reg22 wrote:
jeff, greyhound, what formation do ACFC use?


They have been playing a 4-3-3 but yesterday the played with 3 at the back but dropped Andreu to make it a 4 when out of possession. Similar to what barca do when they play weaker sides. Overload the midfield in possession but out of position consolidate with a back four.

Andreu didnt have to drop back alongside Ivan much as manawatu were that bad. Andreu and Mulligan were picking up and getting on the ball whenever they liked under no pressure and were running the show. Mulligan started out wide left but cam inside so i dont think they were playing any particular formation. Even Hogg from a 3 at the back was at times getting beyond strikers and people were filling in for each other. Manawatu couldnt cope with Auckland Citys movement off the ball.

However i think we will see a more structured setup in Japan.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
thanks for the low down greyhound.

from the video it looked like 3 at the back, but i was puzzled to see hogg and pritchett feature so prominently up the pitch!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It was a training run honestly. Auckland City did anything they wanted a wil. Referee didnt even need to turn up. I dont mind seeing goals but id prefer to watch a competitive game.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is Carmichael going to the CWC?

Fuck this stupid game

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Reece Lambert, Dan Morgan, Stephen Carmichael, Halili Nagime, and Liam Anderson who are on the first team roster won't be going to Japan.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They played with an odd formation
 
Pritchett    Vicelich                                Hogg
                                    Andreu
                  Reira          Feneridis           Mulligan
                                  Danko
Corrales                        Dickinson
 
and it looked just like that on the pitch
Jeff Vader2011-11-29 12:45:58

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doesn't say if it will be on the telly. Anyone else know?

I let my guitar speak for me

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It usually is.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Will be interesting to see what for ACFC bring to the game against Otago on Sunday, after a month of wall to wall training.
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I'd be intrigued to see who is still there with the team. I reckon that Riera and Andreu will be gone. I don't think that will phase them because Andreu didn't play much anyway and ACFC are not short on the bench.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought Albert signed up with the language school again?
Indeed, let's see.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The ASB Premeirship has released an article on all the clubs' transfers.

Auckland City FC

In � Iwa SHAKER (Onehunga Sports); Tamati WILLIAMS (Forrest Hill Milford); Riki VAN STEEDEN (Eastern Suburbs); Mario ILICH (promoted)

Out � Sam CAMPBELL (Queensland Lions, AUS); Andreu GUERAO (Dinamo Tblisi, GEO); Thomas DOYLE (US college scholarship); Halili NAGIME (released); Daniel MORGAN (released); Liam LITTLE (returned to Dunedin for family reasons)

What caught my eye was that another Spanish player, by the name of Ivan Diaz Ruiz, is due to arrive as Andreu Guero's replacement in the midfield. The article said that he was still waiting for his visa to be completed. Strangely the name disappears a few hours later from the article.
Seems like Auckland might want to make the announcement later when all is confirmed?

This might be him?
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Seems this guy was playing in Sweden for Halmstad last year.
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Why would they bring in another Spaniard when they are all about good honest coalface grassroots kiwi footballers? Perhaps they are not that good? Were lucky to escape Wellington with a point and 11 men on the pitch.
 
My guess is because of tough away games in heat in the Islands. I doubt they will convincingly get the maximums up there if at all based on the Amicale game. Heat is a big leveler.
Jeff Vader2012-02-02 14:38:03

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Coach Ramon Tribulietx needs a medical examination, hes lost the plot since Xmas. Iwa SHAKER (Onehunga Sports); Tamati WILLIAMS (Forrest Hill Milford); Riki VAN STEEDEN (Eastern Suburbs)???

When your struggling you tend to bring in quality, these signings would suggest that the club has no money to fork out...however we know they have a cheque book on the desk..Did he visit a rest home to get Van Steedens ink on paper?? Shaker?? i had to google him, has he ever played for a decent side?  Williams? havent seen enough but have heard good things.
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You make a valid point Greyhound. Iwa Shaker was an also ran at Papatoetoe and also at Onehunga. How is this guy getting a look in? Riki spent his winter kicking everything above 6 inches that was not ball shaped and I didn't see Tamati this year. Thought he was off modelling somewhere.

Objectively, how much are they going to play?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Chequebook?

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HIghlights from yesterday's match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEGIQBShIcM
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Highlights from yesterday's match v HBU:

http://youtu.be/AsrZOBevzmo
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TBdFSOE wrote:
Highlights from yesterday's match v HBU:

http://youtu.be/AsrZOBevzmo


LOL, good header from the HBU keeper.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Interesting.  There's more discussion of the actual footie in this thread.

But yeah, thinly veiled distain, allegations and speculation, jealousy of funding structures & discussion on the fortune it costs to get up to the Pacific for the O League and the odd Darlek like attack on ACFC go in this thread, the other one "ACFC Champions of Oceania' was set up to discuss the actual footie.  Which in this week when we celebrate ACFC in the Club World Cup shall be a pleasure.

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about 13 years ago

Probe launched into pokie machine grants 

Search warrants have been executed up and down the country as part of an investigation into pokie machine grant manipulation.

Internal Affairs director of gambling compliance Debbie Despard said the investigation was significant, involving a number of agencies including the Serious Fraud Office.

No details on the amount or search warrants or their location were made public.

"The Department of Internal Affairs has responsibility to ensure the integrity of the grants system in pokie machine gambling.  

"The wider community is disadvantaged if one group can gain preferential access to grant funding from gambling proceeds," Despard said.

"Where the Department finds serious, harmful, and deliberate non-compliance in the gambling sector we will hold people to account. Our ability to do this is enhanced by drawing on the specialist resources of the SFO."

NZ Community Trust confirmed it has been contacted by the Department of Internal Affairs and Serious Fraud Office over alleged manipulation of gaming funds.

The trust has issued a statement saying it does not believe it is the subject of the enquiry.

"NZ Community Trust will continue to assist both agencies with their investigation and supports any and all measures to ensure that the distribution of gaming machine funds is undertaken within the law.
 
"NZ Community Trust is not in a position to comment further until the DIA and the SFO complete their investigation."

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