No habla Espanol - the NZFC bitch fight

Correct me if I am wrong but everytime I watch Michael White, he looks like he is playing for himself. I don't know the guy and I have heard some strange quotes attributed to him but I watching him last year for Manawatu and watched him play for himself. He played well at Canty and seems to be ok for TW but can't help wonder if he is the make or break link for TW. He does score consistently though.

Richard Murray looks like he has Otago playing. At least it would be down to the fact that he is actually coaching as opposed to Malcolm who really just yelled and made a tool of himself.
Jeff Vader2011-11-17 23:45:42

Phoenix would finish in last place.

There you go.

Michael white had huge potential a few years ago - didn't he have a stint overseas? Also played well in chatham cup final a few years ago. When i've seen him play few question marks over his 'heart' maybe...

I can assure you I'm not greyhound and I'm not even a 'fan' of auckland city, just believe in what they are doing from outside auckland believe it or not. Didn't realise you had to have 400 post history to comment on here.

Might as well call all the Wellington lads on here 'hard news in disguise' if we're not allowed to have similar opinions

Wow. In four posts you're slagging me... Yes, you're clearly new here.

While we're still talking football, I think Canty will make the playoffs, the question is whether we can move up a spot or two. Was'nt their for the HB game but the concensus was at training that the lads didn't turn up. Next week against Welly will be a turning point, if we lose that it could turn into last season when it took us nearly 7 games to bounce back and in the end it was more a case of HB blowing it at the last hurdle. On another point the nix-AC debate is quite entertaining even when it resorts to name calling. Didn't know that Auckland had their own firm as well, will have to remember to bring me hurley next time we're up their.

I am not two people on here nor do i know any other forum posters.

Love the change of title, never seen such a bitchfight on here since whooooo was around. 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10766785 I just want to put this on here as a valid discussion point. If ECFC were really honest about better opportunities for the numerous players they think are up to, why haven't they called Ricki and said 'We have Ian Hogg and ..... (thats really about it) who we think is worthy of playing A League, can we get him in for a look?

embarrassment with two anon ids on a website full of stuupid argument?

(See my Saudi thread. plenty of it there. The game got downgraded from first story: v the AWs, second story: involving pros from Saudi. Still could be I guess: the game is the mangere muslim team. Will give you a match report if I make it there!)

Blatter has clearly not seen this thread. All this bitch fighting between the Spanish and Australians

What Saudi thread?

With all the bullsh*t flying in here. Will be nice to meet a few of the people and put faces to names :D

This is all just pointless posturing... anyone who knows a thing about football knows that the 2001 PNBHS 6th form social team known as "Athletico" is the best football team ever. fact.

Is Herbert actually serious when he says no nzfc coach has rung him up to say have a look at this lad?!
Surely the national team coach should be aware of the promising players in the national league of the country he coaches

 
oooh im not so sure, the 2003/04 Rotorua Boys' High School social team was an amazing team stacked with incredible talent, especially in the defense. Im sure Paulinho and Bopman can back me up on this.

Oh whatever b**ch I will f**k you up - let's meet at Aotea Square so I can kick your a** in front of a crowd. that's if you're not a wimp like all these other pansies on here! I'm like 7 '6" with a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and I used to be in the SAS but they were too soft for me.

PS don't tell my mum I'm on the internet when I'm meant to be at school or she will ground me

This comes back to something I mentioned a little while ago about alignment from 17's through 20's through Olympic team to seniors. The women have got it done quite well in that they all play the same game plan of the Football Ferns and the girls just move up a level playing the the same way. They have already been found at 17s level so the coach does not need to identify them.

Has anyone from the knitting circle contacted you about joining them? Your ideals fit in perfectly with them

Sorry, no habla Espanol

Emblem, Turner, Blanco etc can all scout for him plus he should be at a lot more games i know he travels to Aussie every other week but he seems to be more interested in running football academies
than doing his job

football academies that do what? Grow local talent?

S.O. (long time reader, first time poster)

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Don't use logic... it'll just confuse them more. I can see Jordy's head near exploding.

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I think you'll find he does it for the money
but no use him producing all these players if he's to busy
to watch them play and then pick them for Wellington or NZ
which raises another point
how can he pick players for NZ that play in the NZFC without seeing
them play but he cant for Wellington? Or is that to much logic for you Jeff

Sorry Jeff but which NZFC side has more foreigners than Wellington Phoenix?

Well he's probably not doing it for the ladies so I hope he's getting paid.

Hmmm let me think... that would be.... You guys! Jeff Vader2011-11-18 15:33:56

Oh Jeff absolute classic
so the Aussie's arent foreigners then

Jeff Vader2011-11-18 15:44:09

Let me help you out here.

How come you guys don't give the kids numbered 23 through 27 a run on your team? Surely because you want the 3 points each week cause each game matters? Jeff Vader2011-11-18 15:47:21

Oh Jeff were to start?
So Chad Coombers is the only NZFC player Herbert has ever picked is?
No he isnt in fact Otago are the only NZFC side that hasnt had a player play for NZ since Herbert was coach (this was a question in a recent Waitak programme although I cant remember who the Manawatu players/player was)
And seems to be a lot of mentions of Australia in your wikipedia copy and paste!
And I guess its fine to have a team full of Aussie and not class them as foreigners
So will look forward to Ward,Muscat etc playing for NZ next game
So that the club that gets special dispensation to play in another countries league so as to develop NZ players
can do so
as for numbers 23-27 I assume your talking about the 5 Academy players required to be named in 1st team squad 27 isnt actually an Academy player but wouldnt expect you to know that as you're still trying tell the difference between and Australian and a New Zealander
I think you will find that all 5 (indeed all 30) of the academy players in ACFC squad are NZ eligible where as the same can not be said for Wellington Phoenix who have only one NZ eligible player under 20 on there books I think?
As for why they dont play I guess they arent considered good enough by the coaching staff to play at the moment
unlike Thomas and Milne who were involved most games last year
As i said previously Jeff 52 players registered at ACFC only EIGHT arent eligible to play for NZ a far lower percentage than the club that plays in the Australian League   

You've kinda validated my point Phil. If ECFC wont pick players that are not good enough, why should Ricki?

The Manawatu player would be Campbell Banks (against Malaysia)? The only other one I could think of would be one of the Ian's or Hayne. I think Trent Watson played NZ A?

I picked Chad as an example. Not the rule or the sole case. I thought he deserved his call up. A couple of your fellow merry men did not but when you look at it, Rick had nothing to lose by trying Chad out against Mexico. It was a nothing game. He does not have not that luxury with the Phoenix where every game matters. Much like your ECFC band.

There was a lot of mentions of Australia. Its funny how Australians are not considered imports in an Australian competition which you keep reminding us that the Phoenix are an Australian team. It would be a bit dumb to have Kiwis classified as imports in the Premiership. I didn't think you were that slow that I actually had to spell that out to you.

There are players that are good enough
but Herbert hasnt been told by the coaches in the league how good they are so he has no knowledge of them

Except that's not true. He, Gould and Trani were regulars at ASB Premiership games last season as well as the ASB Challenge matches.

He could well have been at Team Wellington games this season as well but I just haven't spotted him.

I wrote a piece this morning but I lost it damn it.

I have to say I don't think there are that many. Again, the test case is always David Mullgan because he was at the club for 2 years and in his 2 or 3 games, he was awful. Granted it was at right back which I used to think was his natural position. He is the best player in the Premiership and I think easily so. He is a joy to watch in what I think is actually his natural position of a deep ball playing midfieler and makes it look so easy. If he couldn't crack it....

I can accept that he is not the rule for everyone but everyone else is a step down from him. The only player that I think has the ability to make the full switch is Ian Hogg. I always thought he was just an idiot but I now put it down to youth and lack of maturity. Its easy to forget that he is only 20. In the last year, he seems to have cooled his heals and using his brain a lot more (unlike his brother whom could have been so much more if he was not such a headcase). I do think that left back is always the hardest position to fill on the field so if you have any bit of talent in that area, you do tend to stand out. Now if he was promoted to the Phoenix, he would be riding the pine because in front of him is an NZ international (and we have 2 other LBs) so do you want him sitting on his ass for 2 years, or as a young player, chalking up minutes in a decent team. Young players need to play and this is another Spoonley example where he too rode the pine behind 2 NZ keepers. He needed to play. Simple as that.

I think the real question that needs to be asked is do you want to put young players into that team where they will be training fodder for 2 years in most cases, or do you want them playing in the Premiership. Is Musa going to benefit still being a Phoenix apprentice, or playing 90 mins for TW. I do not honestly know which is the best way. Granted they train in a pro environment but then when do they get football match fitness if they are not playing?

Indulge me a little in adult conversation around this. Who do you think the players are? There is always going to be the group of Clapham, Peverley, Pritchett, Pearce whom are the only ones I can think of. Sean Lovemore was ok in his 30mins but he had proven himself to be a 20min footballer and that sitter he missed in Colombia was probably what killed off any scouts looking at him. You would think Luke Rowe would be worth a look considering his background but I have not seen enough of him yet. You've really got to look at those 4 next or some young players whom are not the best in their Premiership team but their potential is so incredible that in 2-3 years, they would be one of the better players in the Premiership so being at the Phoenix now, would help realise that potential in a fulltime pro environment. Ricki is on record as taking Tim Payne if he was available and while he was not the best player at Waitakere, he would have been in 2 to 3 years time.

Throw some names out Phil and lets talk about them objectively.

But Herbert himself said that none of the coaches had told him about there players, unless of course Maddaford has mis-quoted him in yesterdays Herald
And if he was at the games why does he need other coaches to do his work for him
and how many of the waste of time ASB Challenge series games did he actually attend?
He wasnt at the game v Auckland City