Anyone have any intel into that double red card today? Were words said or was it just handbags?
Seemed one elbowed the other who responded with what looked like a head butt, at a set piece. Hard to know but that was the general consensus around the traps
Yep very clear elbow. Terrible timing! - they were scuffling so the ref was staring right at them. Personally didn't see the head butt in response but that's what he was sent off for.
Anyone have any intel into that double red card today? Were words said or was it just handbags?
Seemed one elbowed the other who responded with what looked like a head butt, at a set piece. Hard to know but that was the general consensus around the traps
Yep very clear elbow. Terrible timing! - they were scuffling so the ref was staring right at them. Personally didn't see the head butt in response but that's what he was sent off for.
I'm the other way round. I was standing behind the goal at the end where it all happened. Didn't see the elbow, but I did see the head butt, and knew straight away the ES player was a goner.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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TW sign the Wainui striker? I thought he was at Hawkes Bay?
he was, made 5 starts and 1 as a sub but hasn't found the net (only 2 players have this season for HBU and one of them is now in the States!)
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TW sign the Wainui striker? I thought he was at Hawkes Bay?
he was, made 5 starts and 1 as a sub but hasn't found the net (only 2 players have this season for HBU and one of them is now in the States!)
Maybe this highlights the difference in the levels between Cap Prem/CL and Handa League!
Bodes well for the disestablishment of the Handa Team level!!
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Good point though Watto won't be back with the Melbourne Knights in 2021.
One of their worst games for a long, long time today. Missed Bacia and Mata, but there were few who had a reasonable game.
Just tuned in to see a 6-0 lead against Eastern Suburbs after 85 min! Watson another 3, a beast at this level.
Just tuned in to see a 6-0 lead against Eastern Suburbs after 85 min! Watson another 3, a beast at this level.
Would Watto actually offer something off the bench for Nix right now, for 10-15 min cameos. At least he has a physical presence.
Early days yes, but Talay has only given Waine 20 mins over 5 games, which isn't showing much faith in his sole pure back up striker. Those mins were nearly all against Newcastle (real late sub also against Macarthur), and my memory of that Jets cameo is that he just didn't feature at all, completely bossed by Topor-Stanley and co. He still looks like a bit of a boy against men at A League level.
Sure your visa striker Hemed is due, but if Talay continues to ignore Waine, are any of the older Handy Prem strikers worth a short term contract as possible bench/impact players.
You really want your guys on the bench to offer a goal threat when they come on, and without Sotiro (presuming Piscopo now starts) just don't see that.
I reckon as a pure CF or target man both Watson or Sam Mason-Smith could offer something. Neither of them are going to set the league alight, but they’d definitely be handy squad players.
The A-League standard looks to be a bit down on past seasons. And the prevailing 'softly softly' approach means that teams are getting away with playing young, light-weight, ball-playing centre backs instead of players who have mastered the art of defending.
I reckon this explains why Matt Simon still has a career and Scott McDonald is doing so well.
Things always ebb and flow, so maybe it's time for the return of a bit of muscle up front, and who better than Watson!
Hey reg22 if you think the standard in the A League has dropped look at the league here, Watson is playing with and against average kids no wonder he's banging them in.Good on him but he's not good enough to play higher
Hey reg22 if you think the standard in the A League has dropped look at the league here, Watson is playing with and against average kids no wonder he's banging them in.Good on him but he's not good enough to play higher
yeah, Watto is a perfect example of the difference in quality. Handa level he kills it, probably means its the same level as the NPL in Aussie where he has had some success with the Melbourne side. But at A-league level he really failed to make the same impact.
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Hey reg22 if you think the standard in the A League has dropped look at the league here, Watson is playing with and against average kids no wonder he's banging them in.Good on him but he's not good enough to play higher
yeah, Watto is a perfect example of the difference in quality. Handa level he kills it, probably means its the same level as the NPL in Aussie where he has had some success with the Melbourne side. But at A-league level he really failed to make the same impact.
While I'm going to stay out of this debate, I do want to note that Watto of right now is twice the player he was even two years ago.
True, but I'm sure he can lose weight
Waine is likely get some serious minutes over the next few weeks. Maybe even a start this weekend against WSW. Hope he goes well, and as a sort of bench mark I thought Muratovic had his best cameo to date against CCM.
So maybe Waine will come out and offer a genuine goal threat. But for me at the moment someone like Watson would offer more, Waine appearing to just all too easily being muscled off the ball. But would be ecstatic if the young guy proves me wrong, as that would be great for the Nix right now. Good luck to him.
All this noting that Welnix are not in a position to go out signing more visa players, bleeding more cash than ever before.
Watson has a pretty good track record in most leagues he has played. What’s Tade doing? Injured?
Except when you look at his time with the Nix.
2015-2018 - 6 goals in 31 appearances.
compare that to his form in 2019 with Melbourne knights and Team Wellington (a step down)
MK 28 apps 14 goals
TW's 21 apps 17 goals.
if he was converting them for the nix like he was and has been doing since then he'd be one of the top strikers in the league.
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Except when you look at his time with the Nix.
2015-2018 - 6 goals in 31 appearances.
compare that to his form in 2019 with Melbourne knights and Team Wellington (a step down)
MK 28 apps 14 goals
TW's 21 apps 17 goals.
if he was converting them for the nix like he was and has been doing since then he'd be one of the top strikers in the league.
in fact looking at his history he has only really score goals regularly for TW, MK and HBU. Anyone else he hasnt really featured.
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Soccerway tells me Watson had 5 goals from 39 appearances (13 starts). 36 mins per appearance. Semantics.
Out of interest (and not picking on Ben Waine), Waine has made 20 Nix appearances (only 2 starts) for 1 goal.
He's only had 16 mins per appearance. Take out the 2 starts and it's a paltry 8 mins average over the other 18 games. Stats likewise from Soccerway.
Waine's only a young kid with hopefully plenty of upside, but his stats are agruably worse than Watson. Harsh to judge him now so early, but if Talay doesn't give him some big minutes over next few weeks with Sotiro, Ball and likely Hemed all out - not a good sign.
If Nix hadn't been forced with injury replacements, to use up all 3 sub windows early (by 68 mins) - he probably would have got on later on against CCM.
bit hard to compare stats given Waine has only played for the nix reserves.
but in 2017 he played 38 times for the reserves and scored 15 times. so similar in conversion rate to Watson. Just 7/8 years younger
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bit hard to compare stats given Waine has only played for the nix reserves outside the A League.
but in since 2017 he's played 38 times for the reserves and scored 15 times. so similar in conversion rate to Watson. Just 7/8 years younger
Except when you look at his time with the Nix.
2015-2018 - 6 goals in 31 appearances.
compare that to his form in 2019 with Melbourne knights and Team Wellington (a step down)
MK 28 apps 14 goals
TW's 21 apps 17 goals.
if he was converting them for the nix like he was and has been doing since then he'd be one of the top strikers in the league.
in fact looking at his history he has only really score goals regularly for TW, MK and HBU. Anyone else he hasnt really featured.
Might interest some...
Hamish Watson's goals per 90 minutes in the A-League: .32
Chris Greenacre's goals per 90 minutes in the A-League: .27
David Ball's goals per 90 minutes in the A-League: .25
For reference...
Roy Krishna's goal per 90 minutes in the A-League: .49
Gary Hooper's goals per 90 minutes in the A-League: .65
a better comparison would be seeing Watsons goals per 90 minutes for TW's.
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I bet he is leading the A-League in number of times being called offside.
a better comparison would be seeing Watsons goals per 90 minutes for TW's.
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I'm more interested in comparing Watto's performances in the a-league compared to the Handy. By my calc he scores a goal every 2/3 games in the Handy, which would be approx .33 every 90. Which is comparable to the a-league stats AV has provided. I find it interesting that given these figures he has never really "made it" at a higher level. Is it something other than goal scoring? attitude, or just circumstances that he was third in line and not really given many opportunities?
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I'm more interested in comparing Watto's performances in the a-league compared to the Handy. By my calc he scores a goal every 2/3 games in the Handy, which would be approx .33 every 90. Which is comparable to the a-league stats AV has provided. I find it interesting that given these figures he has never really "made it" at a higher level. Is it something other than goal scoring? attitude, or just circumstances that he was third in line and not really given many opportunities?
Hamish Watson has scored .81 goals per 90 minutes in the New Zealand national men's football league.
(.89 post-Phoenix).
Roy Krishna in the seasons there is data for – 2009-10 to 2013-14 – scored .80 goals per 90 minutes.
Watson --.81/90 compared to .32/90 - that's a huge difference.
Krishna - .80/90 compared to .49/90.
now we are starting to get a bit of a better picture as to the quality/ability that Watson has. Clearly in the IPS handy league he is a good scorer - as was Krishna, but when it comes to A-league the numbers drop significantly, krishna's drop off was less than half, and he was pushing for golden boot for a couple of seasons.
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Watson --.81/90 compared to .32/90 - that's a huge difference.
Krishna - .80/90 compared to .49/90.
now we are starting to get a bit of a better picture as to the quality/ability that Watson has. Clearly in the IPS handy league he is a good scorer - as was Krishna, but when it comes to A-league the numbers drop significantly, krishna's drop off was less than half, and he was pushing for golden boot for a couple of seasons.
His A-League stats drop compared to Krishna but still stack up against Ball and Greenacre
Watson --.81/90 compared to .32/90 - that's a huge difference.
Krishna - .80/90 compared to .49/90.
now we are starting to get a bit of a better picture as to the quality/ability that Watson has. Clearly in the IPS handy league he is a good scorer - as was Krishna, but when it comes to A-league the numbers drop significantly, krishna's drop off was less than half, and he was pushing for golden boot for a couple of seasons.
His A-League stats drop compared to Krishna but still stack up against Ball and Greenacre
Watson was also at the Nix, when they were pretty crap.
So of course was Krishna, but in by far his best scoring season 2018/19 with 19 goals (also by then his 6th A League season) Rudan did at stages have the Nix red hot, until it all unravelled. That last season gave Roy's A League goal stats a nice boost.
Watson ain't the same quality as Roy, no way. But would he offer more off a Nix bench compared to say Waine. Maybe.
Anyway Waine gets his chance for a few weeks now, and hopefully he goes well - but have some doubts based on what have seen to date.
Watson --.81/90 compared to .32/90 - that's a huge difference.
Krishna - .80/90 compared to .49/90.
now we are starting to get a bit of a better picture as to the quality/ability that Watson has. Clearly in the IPS handy league he is a good scorer - as was Krishna, but when it comes to A-league the numbers drop significantly, krishna's drop off was less than half, and he was pushing for golden boot for a couple of seasons.
His A-League stats drop compared to Krishna but still stack up against Ball and Greenacre
Watson was also at the Nix, when they were pretty crap.
So of course was Krishna, but in by far his best scoring season 2018/19 with 19 goals (also by then his 6th A League season) Rudan did at stages have the Nix red hot, until it all unravelled. That last season gave Roy's A League goal stats a nice boost.
Watson ain't the same quality as Roy, no way. But would he offer more off a Nix bench compared to say Waine. Maybe.
Anyway Waine gets his chance for a few weeks now, and hopefully he goes well - but have some doubts based what have seen to date.
Seeing as we're here...
Ben Waine's goals per 90 minutes in the A-League: .28 (one goal in 319 minutes – 90 on debut in 2018-19, 209 across all of last season, 20 so far this season)
Ben Waine's goals per 90 minutes in the national league: .51 (16 goals in 2843 minutes)
Ben Waine's goals per 90 minutes in the 2019-20 national league: 1.4 (8 goals in 438 minutes)
based on those numbers Watto should be on the bench for the nix, if not starting. but he is 28 so probably not going to improve, whereas Waine is only 19, so has heaps of room to improve
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All I'm gonna say on this is that there's a weirdly huge focus on minutes per goal here, which isn't exactly a great way of 'testing' a player.
All I'm gonna say on this is that there's a weirdly huge focus on minutes per goal here, which isn't exactly a great way of 'testing' a player.
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