I heard that the two Otago goals were quite bad defensive errors, and apart from that they didnt have many chances... Is that right?
If you cant beat Otago you dont deserve to be in the playoffs....Nightmare result for Waikato. Also Edgington has moved from Auck City to Waikato...any more East Coast Bays boys joining in the window...if theres any left to join.
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So... Auckland didnt beat them, neither did Canterbury
Waikato on the otherhand did beat them, away.
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Milkman correct however those other sides pick up points against yourselves, hawkes bay and manawatu. Otago are dredfull and for a club like Waikato who have play off ambitions that was an awful result and a game that would have been targeted as 3 points. Good chance for Waikato to upset Auckland this weekend, from what i hear they have atleast half a dozen first teamers suspended for this game. All the best.
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Agreed - 2 points lost.
And yes a good chance for Waikato this weekend, but i wont be treating it as an upset if Waikato take the 3 points : )
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Milkman correct however those other sides pick up points against yourselves, hawkes bay and manawatu. Otago are dredfull and for a club like Waikato who have play off ambitions that was an awful result and a game that would have been targeted as 3 points. Good chance for Waikato to upset Auckland this weekend, from what i hear they have atleast half a dozen first teamers suspended for this game. All the best.
7 05/12/10 (Sun) 12:00 Memorial Park Otago 2 Manawatu 1
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Wow - short memories. What kind of quote is this "for a club like Waikato who have play off ambitions" - anyone would think you were talking about a team which are 6 wins from 6 and defending champions...reality check guys..your team isn't great, in fact they're poor..almost as poor as the dust pit you subject other teams to..from what I have heard it is a disgrace and makes a mockery of the competition.
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Are you kidding me Kennedy?
Of course they have playoff ambitions, who doesn't? And given their current standings, they are not misguided in thinking this.
Dust Pit? I don't think so
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Still in 4th. And Phil Ruggles has signed, he any good?
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Didn't he come out to play for Otago?
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Some observations from the Auckland City FC V Waikato game ; Would have to say this was a team full of players not worthy of a place in the ASB premiership league . You would average their player ratings at 4 /10 at the best, with one of their subs Joe Bresnahan rating 1/10 totally out of condition, couldn't run - is a reflection of the coaches ability and skill in recruitment ? .Auckland City player ratings would average around 8/10. Willi Gerdsen says his team is young and inexperienced (Well he picked them ) but failed to acknowledge that Auckland City had 7 players 21 or under . They were a different class on the field to his young players .
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Some observations from the Auckland City FC V Waikato game ; Would have to say this was a team full of players not worthy of a place in the ASB premiership league . You would average their player ratings at 4 /10 at the best, with one of their subs Joe Bresnahan rating 1/10 totally out of condition, couldn't run - is a reflection of the coaches ability and skill in recruitment ? .Auckland City player ratings would average around 8/10. Willi Gerdsen says his team is young and inexperienced (Well he picked them ) but failed to acknowledge that Auckland City had 7 players 21 or under . They were a different class on the field to his young players .
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Il tell you this much. I have never seen a worse team in the NZFC. You have just got to be honest. Scalp is the player your talking about the number 14 that came on? that was embarrassing and that shouldn't happen at this level. Gerdsen can look for excuses but he has picked this dreadful team. I didn't realise Waikato were that bad.
Love to hear a Waikato fan single out a footballer in that side on the weekend...
Love to hear a Waikato fan single out a footballer in that side on the weekend...
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Why does Willy keep saying this is a young Waikato Team, it seems to me more like an aging East Coast Bays Team getting found out.
On the Waikato thing there was a time last week that no Waikato players where on the pitch....shame on the people in Waikato Football Club for letting this happen Brendon Coker.
It was a pleasure to watch a Auckland team try and pass the ball to each other.....Barcelona, Arsenal, Brisbane Roar and now Auckland.....good on you.
There was another player on the bench also that looked well out of shape for WaikCoastBays......
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Yes Roger Rabbit I was referring to Number 14 . I was not alone in questioning how this player could get a look in. Waikato could be made up of 22 better players from Auckland who haven't been picked up by Waitak or Auckland City who would have been prepared to travel down and play for free but some may not have wanted to play with him as coach and his performance on and of the field (have you ever heard a worse aftermatch speech)would have justified that decision !
Sorry if covering old ground but it needs to be reiterated .
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What was said in the aftermatch speech? I didn't stick around for that but I did hear third hand that some Waikato 'dignitaries' were asked along to the board meeting to try to resolve some issues. I did speak to Willy midweek at the U17s and he said that the clubs don't want to support them and the Waikato players that he did ask don't want to play. He literally had Wanderers players turn up for trials so he's in a situation of having to pick players that will play for him and thats going to be ECB players and anyone wanting a shot not getting one anywhere else. Its not right, and it is a shame but thats what it is.
For what its worth, I thought Strom should have played, if only to give them that 'grit' because Zoghby and Branch don't have that. At least Nathan is not scared to kick a player and make him think twice about coming near him. I also thought that Mark Jones came on and was just bloody awful. He walked off whinging how they were cheated out of the game. By whom???? Him and Bresnahan shouldn't even have gotten near the changing rooms let alone the pitch. They were just an awful side including two goalkeeper howlers and City took full advantage of that. Carr to start next week.
Incidentally and while it was helped by the score line, I was impressed as to how much better City looked compared to early season. The main difference I think it the Spanish lad at the back. Doesn't do too much but he is class.
Jeff Vader2011-01-23 19:21:22
For what its worth, I thought Strom should have played, if only to give them that 'grit' because Zoghby and Branch don't have that. At least Nathan is not scared to kick a player and make him think twice about coming near him. I also thought that Mark Jones came on and was just bloody awful. He walked off whinging how they were cheated out of the game. By whom???? Him and Bresnahan shouldn't even have gotten near the changing rooms let alone the pitch. They were just an awful side including two goalkeeper howlers and City took full advantage of that. Carr to start next week.
Incidentally and while it was helped by the score line, I was impressed as to how much better City looked compared to early season. The main difference I think it the Spanish lad at the back. Doesn't do too much but he is class.
Jeff Vader2011-01-23 19:21:22
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Not sure Willy talking the truth. Many Waikato players where offered but not wanted by Willy and are better than ECB players. What about some of the young players who where successful in the youth league?
Agree Vadar Angel making a big difference along with Danko in midfield.....best player in ASB?
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In his post match speech he said that he and his team had no excuses for the performance but then went on to try to come up with as many as he could . Excuses included young inexperienced team , referee allowing one off side goal etc. He said there would be changes after that performance -maybe it should be him that gets the chop or the board who appointed him . Qualifications count for nothing if you can't step up and don't have any people skills .
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Danko is a back to goal striker who holds the ball up for others to run off of him so I don't think that is is best position. He needs to be a planted on the edge of the 18 for the others to play off of him.
The Spanish would go close to being the best player in the league. I'm trying to think of others whom would be as good (Pearce on current form?) but not many.
They were spanked 5-1 and as much as I like what they are trying to do in Waikato, they were outclassed.
The Spanish would go close to being the best player in the league. I'm trying to think of others whom would be as good (Pearce on current form?) but not many.
They were spanked 5-1 and as much as I like what they are trying to do in Waikato, they were outclassed.
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Just interested, who from ECB's team last year actually started Saturdays game. I count:
- John Fletcher
- Jack Beguely
- Ryan Zoghby
- Jason McKeown
So four players from the top team (by far last season) in the Northern Premier League made the Waikato FC starting lineup.
I know that the ASB Premiership is a different league, but you do have to get your players from somewhere. Surely getting 4 of your starting lineup from last years top NRFL team should't be such a bad thing?
- John Fletcher
- Jack Beguely
- Ryan Zoghby
- Jason McKeown
So four players from the top team (by far last season) in the Northern Premier League made the Waikato FC starting lineup.
I know that the ASB Premiership is a different league, but you do have to get your players from somewhere. Surely getting 4 of your starting lineup from last years top NRFL team should't be such a bad thing?
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When Gerdsen took over the team i imagine he didn't want to take too many risks. So he went with what has worked for him in the past, a bunch of Northern league players that have to their credit got him results. But these Bays boys have played together for years so it easy for them to cope in a winter league. Most of them are not up to the higher level and i think Gersden has shot himself in the foot with his approach.
Milkman you have named four players who shouldnt have started. Beguely gives 100% every week but not a footballer. McKeown i have watched twice this year, in 180 minutes of football i think he has touched the ball a total of 7 times and given it away atleast four of those times. The other two you've mentioned im not going to start on.
The Waikato board is half the problem in my opinion, they realy need a mass clear out and start all over again.
I wasn't at the after match speeches but if Gerdsen is making excuses then he should look at himself in the mirror.
Milkman you have named four players who shouldnt have started. Beguely gives 100% every week but not a footballer. McKeown i have watched twice this year, in 180 minutes of football i think he has touched the ball a total of 7 times and given it away atleast four of those times. The other two you've mentioned im not going to start on.
The Waikato board is half the problem in my opinion, they realy need a mass clear out and start all over again.
I wasn't at the after match speeches but if Gerdsen is making excuses then he should look at himself in the mirror.
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Uh, just letting you know, Zoghby is one hell of a CB
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N-Bomb...im not sure whether your trying to take the piss here or not, however i hope you are. The player mentioned was...hmmm...not sure how to describe it....ok il be nice as i can....awful at best. Infact he needs to learn how to run first before he learns how to kick a ball and position play.
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The best player in that team is Jason Hicks. I think he would start in other Premiership sides (HBU, YHM, TW, OU, CU) although possibly not the Auckland ones. I think he has been a genuine find. Nick Branch has stepped up. They would possibly be the only 2 whom stand out.
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The best player in that team is Jason Hicks. I think he would start in other Premiership sides (HBU, YHM, TW, OU, CU) although possibly not the Auckland ones. I think he has been a genuine find. Nick Branch has stepped up. They would possibly be the only 2 whom stand out.
Manko was the only Waikato player to show some bottle Sat, wasted in defense, should be midfield.
Gerdson's the problem, oh so negative. Subbing his skipper mid way through second half for an overweight unfit Bresnehan was a disgrace and only done to lay blame.!!??
Stated he had warned his squad there would be repercussions for a poor result in his aftermatch speech.
Waikato will be looking for a new coach again next season for sure.
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The best player in that team is Jason Hicks. I think he would start in other Premiership sides (HBU, YHM, TW, OU, CU) although possibly not the Auckland ones. I think he has been a genuine find. Nick Branch has stepped up. They would possibly be the only 2 whom stand out.
Hicks ok when he is on the ball, you have to say hes ok because anyone with a left foot is of some value. However he goes missing in big games. Against teams like Auckland City and Waitakere he may as well stay in the sheds like the rest. Seems to play ok against the weaker teams and that is helping their position.
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Two young Waikato players available and offered but not wanted by Willy Gerdsen and WFC could be playing for Team Wellington tomorrow.
Tyler Lissitte and Jesse Smith.
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Two young Waikato players available and offered but not wanted by Willy Gerdsen and WFC could be playing for Team Wellington tomorrow.
Tyler Lissitte and Jesse Smith.
Waikato's loss by the way and Team Wellington gain, 2 fantastic young players and very capable.
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Two young Waikato players available and offered but not wanted by Willy Gerdsen and WFC could be playing for Team Wellington tomorrow.
Tyler Lissitte and Jesse Smith.
Not totally fair, as as I understand it conditions were placed on their offering to WFC by their 'agent'. Namely that they would not be playing for the youth team and that they had to be guaranteed to be playing/starting in the 1st team.
Both these lads could and should have been playing for WFC but their 'agent' is unrealistic and a block to their development in my humble opinion...
Yet another example of the appalling politics and personal battles that go on in the Waikato, more of which I am sure will come out after todays game...
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Lost 3-2 to Team Wellington, a bit unlucky, but a great game, lots of drama. Edginton looked good at CB
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Almost a draw.edward l2011-01-29 17:31:58
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Heard today that Waikato FC training at Takapuna. How bad can it get???????
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Heard today that Waikato FC training at Takapuna. How bad can it get???????
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hello there. Futbol raises a good discussion point.
Having a Waikato team comprised mainly of Aucklanders is one thing. But when it then advances to the not totally illogical position of the team also training north of the Bombays it is perhaps time to reconsider the whole raison d'etre of a Waikato team.
When does a Waikato team stop being a Waikato team and start being just a vague theory? And have we hit that tipping point?
In the US sports franchises switch bases. Are we in the early throes of seeing the same thing happen here?
Waikato has no facility it calls home, a glaring deficit of Waikato personnel, and no money. It would appear to attract marginal Waikato support both in terms of paying spectators and community sponsorship.
It might not be dead just yet, but it's on life support.
No single person or persons is to blame, in my view. Some of us volunteer administrators may have made errors of judgement over the years, but fundamentally the illness symptom here is not a case of "too many agendas", but the opposite -- not enough agendas. Not enough people out there in football land give a stuff.
The nub of the issue is Waikato FC has become incidental to too many stakeholders in the game. What does or doesn't happen at Waikato FC no longer appears to matter to most involved in the code here.
For the dwindling few for whom it still does matter, we perhaps need to re-examine the whole point of Waikato FC. I'm a founder member, and I for one am struggling to remember.
Welcome some views.
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N-Bomb...im not sure whether your trying to take the piss here or not, however i hope you are. The player mentioned was...hmmm...not sure how to describe it....ok il be nice as i can....awful at best. Infact he needs to learn how to run first before he learns how to kick a ball and position play.
How much of him have you actually seen him play
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Bruce its unfortunate the situation that has occurred. Had this been the predictament from season 1 then there should be outrage. The fact of the matter is that it has developed into this scenario because of many number of things
1: Financial - the lack of funds or when funds were available, not using wisely (I am speculating here)
2: Coaching - Pamment, to Wilkinson to Fallon to Edmundson to Bunce and back and .... There has been no coaching stability at all. This flows onto
3: Players - a combination of poor results and position, lack of funds (yes they play for pay) and coaches favourites (how else would Sam Wilkinson play national league) along with other clubs picking at the best with whatever they can offer has ensured that there is nothing left
What are you left with? It turns into a scenario where previous players don't want to play because of the history and I suppose your son may fit into that category, the left over players that are local are not good enough and those that are, want cash or go to Auckland/Waitakere and any coaches don't want to invest their time for a season of mediocrity.
This is not a finger pointing exercise or a 'your franchise is a load of rubbish' but more a statement that its been allowed to get to this point and thats the sad part about it. I don't think that the players in the current Waikato team have disgraced themselves and I query if there are better players on the sidelines that want to play but haven't been given a chance. There may be a couple, but not a squads worth.
This situation will not change anytime soon unless there becomes a policy that players must play for the local franchise that is representative of their district federation. That would see the likes of Aaron Scott and Adam Thomas either move to play in the franchise encatchment area or have to play for Waikato.
If this happened, would there be better results and better support? I'm not sure.
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The Waikato district has and is stilling producing some very good players while the adminstators fight and argue for pathetic reasons.....Bruce the Waikato FC needs to remain here for the off chance that the admin people get it right and the players will flock back to Waikato.
Good saying "Good Coach's get good players"
And those good players get good results......remember the first year that was good wasn't it?????
Crowds way better then if i remember right.....
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Bruce, Its plain and simple...Waikato Fc has been run by muppets from day one. Sure they have a love for the game but dreadful decision makers and cant run a club. The board quite frankly couldnt run a piss up in a brewery. Dave Edmunsen nearly saved the club by getting results with top auckland boys and he managed to get the best Waikato boys playing too. Club couldn't retain him and then employed Bunce and most are aware of the debacle there and that then led to the appt of Gerdsen because no one else would take the job. No money = no success
Club wont be around next year, its a waste of time. Harsh but true. It does nothing for the region and certainly nothing for the game in NZ.
Club wont be around next year, its a waste of time. Harsh but true. It does nothing for the region and certainly nothing for the game in NZ.
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I can respect we have had our differences of opinions Roger but I would sincerely like to know how you would solve this situation if you were running the outfit. I must admit I have no answers to this question but I'd like to get your point of view.
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