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Plodder copped stick because he was unfit for a fair while. It was really only when he had his run of 7 games as a right back (and why he got dropped or never played there again, escapes me) but when he was in that role, he was fit and in shape. Prior to that, he was looking a little.... chunky.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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i thought they were fantastic !
we only sing when were winning
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I was more referring to when he was a youth footballer and when the term 'plodder' was coined.

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You are all for the youth of melville in your words Bruce, are they the only young players you have ever seen or what?? where is Tom Crawford? i hear he signed a contract before Edmunson left. He was not at the game on sat, if he has been dropped and a player like H Edge has been signed instead that just goes to show what Declan is doing. Why would you not have the best young players signing on?

and really.. Harry needs a lot more than just to beef up before he is a good player. How about being able to finish a chance handed to him on a platter, not once but twice did he f**k up the simplest of chances. He is not a very skillful player at all and is not fast either. Clearly picked because of relationship to coach mate. Totally unfair to other, better players around.
I would say he has been fairly slagged and no way should he be in there.
And Bruce you seem to have this big problem with anonymity, not putting a name behind a comment. Get over yourself, the whole purpose of a forum is to express your views not show who you are.

These are my views/concerns.
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Nexus, I have no problems with people making anonymous comments, up to a reasonable point.

But i do think there needs to be some degree of restraint. When comments are strongly critical, impugn people or are potentially defamatory, believe there is an obligation to put a name to them. Apart from anything else, not to do so undermines the validity of the idea or comment propagated and sullies the whole tone of interaction here.  
 
Being anonymous becomes little more thna an unjustified, undeserved cloak.
 
If you believe in what you are saying, and have no copnflict of interest within the corridors of power, I can't see the problem in putting your name to it.
 
Yes, it does frustrate me that it is one of the perversities of forums that the people with the most negative, stridently held views  tend to be among the loudest.
 
I have no idea where Tom Crawford is or was, or what the circumstances are. But if you are carrying a torch for him, perhaps you could find out and tell us all?
 
But it is neither unusual or unreasonable for a coach to pick his squad how he sees it. No coach likes playing with a hand somebody else has dealt them.
 
It is a fact of football life that a change of coach often means a change in player ranks. No news there.
 
As for Harry missing a chance,  again, that is all part of football's rich tapestry. Indeed, I saw this season's premier league Golden Boot butcher some horrible chances this season. I personally don't expect to see Harry in action in the national league this summer, but nor would I assasinate him like you are doing. I certainly think he will play a big role in the national youth league for waikato. further, i think he will develop faster than a lot his age simply because of the work he is putting in.
 
Had Harry finished on the losing side, and been responsible for the loss you might have had more of a case and got more traction.
 
My suggestion would be to save your spite, venom and invective for a Waikato loss, not a promising home win.
 
As to what Declan is doing, he is trying to build a squad on principles of play he believes in, and is drawn towards players he beleives can execute them. That seems reasonable. It is what he has been appointed to do.
 
Again, come back and air your bitterness after a bad loss, not a good win. And if you want to throw stones at kids, pluck up the courage to identify yerself.
 
Do you mind me asking: Were you pissed off that Waikato FC won, and won in such an entertaining fashion that has drawn praise from many quarters?
 
Were you secretly hoping they'd get a tanking so it would justify your own prejudices?
 
Take you time in answering.
 
 Hard N: Great retort and good point on Jeremy Christie. Touche.
 
You will remmeber I was one of those ringleaders who referred to him as Plodder... Put my name to it, mind.... And that was after he was playing for NZ, not when he had been signed as a youth player by a national league club. good memories tho :-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Cancel that last challenge to find out what happened to Tom Crawford and his "contract".
 
My spies tell me what happened is he only attended one training session -- and has not been seen since. that's all.
 
 
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I don't have a problem with what you have written Bruce.
 
I am not Declans biggest fan but it is his team to do what he likes. Hell from the comfort of my armchair, I'm the best player, coach, ref and analyst that ever lived!!
 
He will have a style to implement as he sees fit, much like also when Roger took over at ACFC, he choose players for his style against the grain of the ACFC established. But also Declan will have to live with the outcomes IF the results do not fall his way. Granted if they play with some substance and style, I think people would give him some leeway (I think Willie's team played better last year despite their finish but thats a different story) because Waikato have not really been known as a team that plays football, more so hoofin it 50 yards.
 
The game is changing globally to smaller, faster, more technical players. If you look around closer to home, Brisbane have done it, ACFC are doing it and it looks like Waikato are doing it too from what I read. Kudos to Declan for seeing the trend if thats his plan. The days of players like the grunt men of Seaman are gone and the big thundering centre back like Che are gone (no offence to those two as they are good footballers) but players don't leave their feet as much because they are getting stamped on by the refs. The game is quicker and play is now with wall split passes around the box rather than 40y crosses (tell Ricki someone)
 
His kids will probably take some hidings but if they can produce a handful of games that are good to watch, who knows...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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How has Danyon Drake been going? Anyone seen him play recently?

Fuck this stupid game

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I concur with a lot of what you say, Jeff.
 
You primarily judge coaches on what their team produces. Mainly that is on results, though in the national league entertainment should also be a factor - given there is no relegation to concentrate the mind like there is in winter leagues.
 
The game is changing. The sun is setting for those with a prediliction for sliding in. Winning teams will still need a couple of street cleaners in there, but i am thrilled to see the DIRECTION Waikato is headed in, and the spheres of the game the emphasis is going on, even if they don't totally get there this summer.
 
I didn't mind Waikato last year, it's just that they were incidental to the main thrust of the code in the waikato. Nobody really cared. they stopped charging at the gate in the end, because nobody went to watch. I want football to matter in my backyard.
 
Edge has been given the brief that at least 80 per cent of his players must come from Waikato ranks, and he is well above that ratio. Of course nobody tells Auckland or waitakere they must have 80 per cent of homegrown players - they take who they bloody well like - but we need football solutions endemic to regions.
 
And having a shop window for our waikato youth is very much an issue here and now, because above all else we have some good 'uns coming through.
 
Waikato may cop a few tankings. But i am really looking forward to the summer, nonetheless.
 
And i say that as a fan who also thoroughly enjoyed watching the old Waikato United when they played "winning formula" football in the early 90s, going close to the title on several occasions. Just as the game changes, so too can fan desires and expectations.
 
As for Roger, i know what you are saying.
 
 I always have a soft spot for Roger, because i know what a lot of work he did for the code here, and several times he had 180 degree shifts in his football philosophies, depending on either the resourtces at his disposal, or trends within the game. Roger got offside with a number of people, but I always found him knowledgeable and a deep thinker about the game.
 
The same is true of Declan. There is no love lost between Declan and Roger, which is ironic in a way, becuase they have a lot of similar coaching attributes in that they are driven men, who keep abreast of trneds in the game, are very passioante about their footy, and somehow tend to polarise people. Funny old game, huh.
 
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haha Holloway you make me laugh with all your fancified bs. I am not carrying a torch for anyone,and unlike you I have had the luxury of watching both Crawford and Edge over the years and it needs to be said that Crawford is a much much better player, that is all I'm saying. I also don't expect to see Harry playing at all in the national league whereas Tom would comfortably fit in. The fact that Waikato won on Sat has nothing to do with this, no 'traction' needs to be added because the plain and simple truth is that a better player has missed out on an opportunity to play at this level because the coach picked his son. I feel sorry for all the decent youth in the area who are automatically second choice. No I was not hoping 'they'd get a tanking' I am a supporter of Waikato and have been from the start. Am I really the one with the prejudices..? or is that Declan Edge.
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I have no issue with Tom Crawford, and neither does the waikato hierarchy as far as i can tell.
 
He was not in the team simply because he hasn't been at training.  It has nothing to do with the coach - or his son. No train, no play. End of story.
 
Now, stop being all bitter and twisted and go and buy yourself a Waikato scarf.
 
 
 
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I think I've got one of those... must check. 
 
I wore my Melville scarf to the Rugby the other day, it was as close as I had to a Welsh one.

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Hi Bruce
I've enjoyed reading your posts on numerous forums, well aware of your club connections. I was at the game on Sat and thought the Wai side looked slick against a disjointed All Star team. While I admire Edge's techincal approach to the game his unwillingness to consider young player that haven't come through his academy can only have a major long term detrimental effect on the football landscape in the wider area. This selection bias is at odds to recent statements by Brendan Coker and Edge about gaining local support. It is well known that Edge was encouraging players he was connected with to persue other summer franchaises in the previous 2 seasons, despite his statements of allways being a Waikato FC man. I'm aware of at least 3 regular Wanderers NRFL prem. youth players who were offered contracts by Edmondson but not even contacted by Edge. I would be guessing but if Crawford left after one session it would be because he was told he isn't required.
While i don't like to disparage individual players, even the keenest Edge supporter (Eddie aside) would be embarassed that Harry Edge is there.
My message to youth players...... either get in the Edge academy or go to another province
That is hardly good for the region    
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already got one matee. your word is gospel
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What an interesting thread. Congratulations to all the contributors, particularly Bruce � he graces us with style and intelligence and, even perhaps, (don�t sue me) some good old fashioned bias.

As far as the NRFL versus the CL goes: I have been fortunate to see several club games in both the Northern League and the Central League over winter. For me the latter has a bit more depth and there�s an intensity (on and the pitch and on the sidelines) that isn�t seen in the Northern League.

There is a commonality shared by the league winners (Bay Olympic and Miramar Rangers, respectively) of both competitions though � both teams generally featured quite experienced players and few youngsters. In the case of Bay Olympic I think their youngest player was Ryan Elder (20 yrs) and for Miramar Rangers it was Justin Gulley (18 years); coaches Knowles and Calcott see winning as the main thing (versus development of young players) and their formulae for doing so over recent years has worked very well for them.   So good for them.

In this light it is interesting to consider the contrasting approaches of our two most successful National League teams. Auckland City have dabbled with the odd young player in the past, but appear now to have firmly set their sights on winning � and winning with a few imported players. On the other hand Waitakere Utd have, in times recent, introduced a veritable plethora of gifted youngsters (Luke Adams, Ashton Pett, Dakota Lucas, Jordan Vale and Tim Payne, to name a few). And Emblem has found a way to blend youth and experience and still finish top of the heap from time to time. He is praised and rightly so, in my opinion.

For me, I�m looking forward to see how two particular teams do this year: Team Wellington and Waikato FC. I think Team Wellington will push Auckland City and Waitakere Utd much harder this year; Calcott badly wants a slice of that OCL pie. So it will be fascinating to see how much game time he gives the youngsters Branch, Lucas, Galbraith and Hobson-McVeigh � who have all signed for Team Wellington apparently. I expect him to be more aligned to the Auckland City model.

As for Waikato FC, it seems to me that Edge is planning for the future. According to some on this forum it may be his financial future and the playing future of relatives; I can�t comment on that because I have no evidence either way. But his is a more Emblemish approach and his intent on giving young players an opportunity at the highest level in NZ clearly has the backing of the majority of the Waikato FC board, otherwise he wouldn�t have been appointed. Should he do that at the expense of gifted players ahead of his own kith and kin? This seems to be the pointy part of the debate. If he had said openly �I will coach, but I want to expose my boy to some game time�, there may not have been a problem � coaching your own is most impossible I�m told, but honesty is appreciated. If the boy Harry is not that flash (I�ve seen him�he is OK right now...he will be good when he�s older�how good? Who knows?) then it is only fair that people are pissed off. Maybe it is their kid who is missing out.

One thing I enjoy about this forum is the diverse opinions. And so it is with coaching. I am not so brave to say there�s a right way and a wrong way. But I can say there are different ways, and for me this is part of the beauty of the game we love.

If I was a betting man I�d say Auckland City will come first and Team Wellington second this year; in other words experienced players will rule the roost.   I just hope many of the younger players appearing in the league can make the step up. Edge should be praised for making the effort�and perhaps admonished to be more open.



Toffeeman662011-09-26 19:46:43
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Thanks for your comments Bruce, I'm not from the Waikato region. It was just interesting to see your thoughts. 
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As much as I don't want to defend ACFC Toffee, I had a convo in this forum last year about the age of their players and was quite surprised as to how young most of them actually are so in terms of blending youth in, they are actually quite a young team..
McGeorge, Feneridis, Hogg, Campbell, Morgan, Milne and thats just the 1st 5 that come off my head.

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Jeff Vader wrote:
As much as I don't want to defend ACFC Toffee, I had a convo in this forum last year about the age of their players and was quite surprised as to how young most of them actually are so in terms of blending youth in, they are actually quite a young team..
McGeorge, Feneridis, Hogg, Campbell, Morgan, Milne and thats just the 1st 5 that come off my head.


Well, with an exception of Feneridis,  let's wait and see how much game time they will get ...
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Hogg played pretty much every minute last season and McGeorge has played quite a bit too!

ACFC or Waitakere will win the league. TW will be no hope as Calcott is not a good enough coach. He will 'buy' in players but will be outcoached by ACFC, Waitak, HBU and YHM.

ACFC
Waitak
HBU
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Acfc
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Waitak
Waikato
Hbu
Yhm
Canterbury
Otago
 
Tw win grand final...
we only sing when were winning
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Jeff Vader wrote:
As much as I don't want to defend ACFC Toffee, I had a convo in this forum last year about the age of their players and was quite surprised as to how young most of them actually are so in terms of blending youth in, they are actually quite a young team..McGeorge, Feneridis, Hogg, Campbell, Morgan, Milne and thats just the 1st 5 that come off my head.


I was thinking youth with a big Y as opposed to youth with a little y. McGeorge (89), Feneridis (89), Hogg (89), Campbell (89), Morgan (90), are all little y in my opinion- not that youthful any more. Milne is a big Y - he's a 92. Auckland City appear happy to have let other youngsters Thomas (92) and Branch (91) go; or perhaps they were told they wouldn't get much game time. And I'm not sure if other promising players like Kelly (91) and Bawdekar (91) have kicked on enough to be considered this season.

Compare this with Waitakere, they actually started games last season with players like Adams (94), Sole (92), Pett (92), Payne (94), Lucas (91) and de Vries (91) - the last 3 in the Final!


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RayMysterio wrote:
Hogg played pretty much every minute last season and McGeorge has played quite a bit too!ACFC or Waitakere will win the league. TW will be no hope as Calcott is not a good enough coach. He will 'buy' in players but will be outcoached by ACFC, Waitak, HBU and YHM.ACFCWaitakHBUYHMTWCanterburyWaikatoOtago


Calcott not a good enough coach? You might be right because he's never coached National League; I think we should re-visit this post in a few months. Calcott's won a few things in his short career to date though...and at two different clubs...scratching my head to think of anyone that's won more at the club level in the past five seasons or so.
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Hello there,
 
I think there is a little bit of confusion and misunderstanding about the rules of the league as regards youth players this year which has unfairly led to people having a pop at Declan (and Harry).
 
I will try and clear this up.
 
Waikato FC sent out a memo to all clubs and schools in July advising they were calling for nominations for their youth team. The eligibility critieria this summer has changed, and players need to be eligible to represent NZ at the next U20 Champs. The cut-off birth date is January 1, 1992.
 
I understand that means the likes of Tom Crawford, and many others are ineligible for the youth team. I imagine the likes of Jordan Shaw and Van Ewart may also be in that camp.
 
They can still try out of Waikato's senior team of course, though in the case of Crawford, he will be competing against the likes of Adam Thomas, Matteo Ballan and Jason Hicks, who all played very well on saturday.
 
But he is NOT competing against the likes of youngsters such as Harry Edge for a youth team spot.
 
To repeat from my earlier post, the regulations say teams then have to name six players in their senior squad. So, dont blame Harry if you don't like it, blame NZ Football.
 
I am only speculating, but perhaps Tom popped along to training and saw that, tidy player that he is, he was not going to quite cut it against the likes of Thomas, Hicks etc?
 
Appreciate any feedback on that scenario.
 
So, you ask, how was it that these players had perhaps been approached by Dave Edmondson but not Declan? I suspect there has been an internal misunderstanding, with coaching staff only belatedly informed of NZ Football's eligibility critieria, and some players 'signed' may have found themselves unsigned even if Dave was still in charge.
 
In the cicumstances I cant see that Declan Edge has acted untoward in any manner so far, though invite anyone to show differently.
 
I agree that it is difficult when dads and sons are involved: Declan has now seen it from both sides. Roger Wilkinson got the same stick, and so did Steve williams when they were coachign our national league teams here.
 
But I would point out Declan was coaching long before kids were in the frame. he has been, to date Waikato FC's most successful coach, making the playoffs in the inaugural season. At the time i don't recall anyone saying he had ulterior motives.
 
Humbug raised a valid point about Melville players such as Tyler Lisette and jesse smith playing for Wellington last summer, rather than Waikato
 
This was something that concerned me, albeit for slightly different reasons.
 
The fact is these lads went where it was perceived they would most get a game. They were not in the selection frame in the waikato, but saw a potential opening in Wellington. To my mind that is astute management by someone to get a couple of teenagers game time. However from my perspective as a local club administrator it rang alarm bells, because of the danger good kids might also be lost for the winter.
 
The irony here today is that largely because of the good work done by Edge, competition to get into the waikato Youth squad will be fierce. Good young players may miss out because better young players are perceived to be ahead of them, and may also trek elsewhere. it's the old supply and demand thing, isn't it? 
 
This embarassment of riches will inevitably leave some unhappy campers. But that's football. the Waikato youth team is being coached by Paul Nixon, with a development squad under that being coached by Merv Williams.
 
Anyway, hope this clarifies a few things and adds to the collective understanding out there.
 
If not, come back armed with plenty of facts. I'm tired of doing all the research on this one.
 
 
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I have just heard that the Waikato FC v Hawke's Bay game at Taupo on Saturday is now at 2.30pm rather than 1pm.
 
The change was due to a request from Taupo AFC.
 
 
 
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you seem to live for this research my friend, i doubt that you ever get tired of getting all the facts.. rather funny. I shall be there to watch Waikato in their first true test on Sat, would love to see another great game of football.

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Hi Bruce I beleive Shaw and Crawford were born in 1992 and Ewert was born in 1993. The issue for me is principally that Declan Edge is not interested in youth that don't have connections to his academy, this can only be detrimental to the stated objectives of both Edge and Coker along with age grade football in the Federation. You may be satisfied that the entire youth component on Saturday, both named and unnamed on the program (goalie aside) were from your club but wonder if your affiliations were elsewhere whether you would feel differently.
You say "They can still try out of Waikato's senior team of course". Surely this isn't some team you just turn up at training and get a run
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Big T wrote:
Acfc
Tw

Waitak

Waikato

Hbu

Yhm

Canterbury

Otago

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Tw win grand final...


Otago last!!! Meh. We are gonna dazzle you with our new....stadium.
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Humbug wrote:
Hi Bruce I beleive Shaw and Crawford were born in 1992 and Ewert was born in 1993. The issue for me is principally that Declan Edge is not interested in youth that don't have connections to his academy, this can only be detrimental to the stated objectives of both Edge and Coker along with age grade football in the Federation. You may be satisfied that the entire youth component on Saturday, both named and unnamed on the program (goalie aside) were from your club but wonder if your affiliations were elsewhere whether you would feel differently.
You say "They can still try out of Waikato's senior team of course". Surely this isn't some team you just turn up at training and get a run


This post, and the ones before, are kinda fun to read. At least there's something going on in Dairyland unlike down south.   So nepotism is alive and well in Waikato football circles? Scandalous. I heard a whisper that it's actually a lot worse than Humbug says. The goalie, who's not a Melville player, is Edge's third cousin twice removed. And then I'm told Edge's missus has bought shares in an orange plantation just to make a quick half-time buck. What else? The old guy that is going to mow the pitch is actually his long lost, recently found, adopted brother. Oh yeah, and his aunty's sister won a lucrative contract to wash the strip. And finally - can you believe it - Declan's dog got the job as team mascot! Woof woof. The point is: find a New Zealand coach without ulterior motives...and give Edge a few more chances before we tall poppy him.
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Humbug, I should clarify, because you may have missed it: Declan Edge is not training or selecting the Waikato youth team. if these lads are eligible, they should turn up at Paul Nixon's training. Declan is however required by league rules to select six U19s for his senior squad, and has done so on the basis of evaluating those who have been training and are eligible.
 
An open invite to trial forthe youth team was sent to all clubs and schools some months ago.
 
I can't see anything controversial in that.
 
The senor squad training appears to still be pretty open. I understand some of last year's squad want to try their hand. I asked declan the other day about his approach in such cases, and he said he wouldn't be ringing  players, but anyone who fancied themselves only had to  turn up to training and prove themselves good enough. The only stipulation is he is working on is a board dictate that 80 per cent of his squad be waikato-registered players.
 
If those lads you mention are eligible i would encourage them to turn up, though must repeat when i inquired this morning, was told players such as Tom Crawford were over the age limit.
 
If the others are not, then that is great, I am sure Paul Nixon will welcome the competition they will provide.
 
Humbug, i can tell you from experience, declan is always  interested in getting the best players he can. Indeed, his efforts to acquire good players has previously been a source of some friction in Waikato football.
 
As to club affiliation issues, i'm not that hung up about who gets in. The Melville lads will do what they have done every summer and train every day anyway. They are more interested in learning to become footballers than whether they get selected for this team or that team.
 
Indeed, the funny thing is the real grief in recent times has come from instances of the opposite: where some of the academy players have turned down higher level selection opportunities in order to concentrate on their academy programmes.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hi Bruce, Of course the likes of Crawford should have to prove themselves on merit against other players, however you miss my point which is that the youth component in the senior side should also be selected on merit against other youth players, I beleive in the case of Ewert, he was offered a contract as an academy player, had been in discussions with a Wai FC board member. Change of coach, result, no contact. Remember Bruce that Edge had stated in a news release he would be contacting players of interest.
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Hi Humbug,
 
I am not in a position to know, but it may be you are correct and declan simply fancies his own youth players...   If so, that would certainly be his call under the terms of his contract. 
 
Selection of the senior side rests in the domain of the coach. He is the one who makes the value judgement. That is his job.
 
But what is incontrovertible is that in mid-July Waikato FC sent a memo to all clubs and schools seeking nominations for youth players.
 
If i am correct, there were over 30 responses from those born after january 1 1992.
 
If the players you speak of are indeed eligible I don't understand what was holding them back from being within the system, so to speak.
 
I agree it was a bit messy that there was a change of head coach - and that obviously affects all sorts of subjective selectorial judgements. No two coaches will agree on the same players. For instance, until Declan was appointed, Adam Thomas was set to play for Auckland City.
 
As to being in discussions with a Waikato board member, that is a worry for a whole different reason. Squad selection is not a sphere where the governance wing of the club should have any input.
 
I guess the issue you are really focusing on is the process. How does an ambitious young Waikato youth player force himself into national league contention?  (And an obvious supplementary question: can players do so without first being on the radar within the club's youth team?)
 
It's a fair question, and i certainly don't have a definitive answer. But if it was me or one of my sons, i would probably get on the phone, proactively make contact and inquire about when training was, etc.
 
 
 
 
 
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Hi Bruce Just to clarify, I don't suggest for one minute, there is any impropriety regarding any board member(s) actions, just a case of passing on contracts for the then coach.
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can humbug and bruce plaese kiss and make up, lets just wait and see how the season pans out.
 
If you have any good players coming to uni in dunners send them to the mighty ROSLYN we will look after them just like one of our own. I'm sure that they will end up playing for OU the following summer as were short of players and very young as too boot
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I am taking this unusual step in replying to a few statements so everyone is aware of what is happening.
 
First it's great to see such interest in Waikato FC.The rules of the league requires each franchise to name there National League Squad by 5th Oct. You can name a max of 25 of which 5 must be academy players . In addition to this franchises can name a Youth Team squad of 30 players. Franchises can use any Youth players to play in the National League Team at any time. We are not restricted to the 5 players we name in the National League Squad.
 
The date for the Academy players is 1st Jan 1993. The reason for this is to link players to the World Cup cycles.
 
Waikato FC invited all players interested in the Youth Team to trial. The squad will be announced over the next few days. The team is being coached by Paul Nixon. In addition to this Waikato have started a training squad for Under 15/17 players. There are no games for this team.Waikato will work with the Federation and clubs too ensure the best local talent is involved. We are trying to create a pathway for players to move between the age groups to the National League Team
 
One thing Waikato FC is trying to achieve is better relationships with the clubs. Is great that our local clubs have rivalry during winter but when it comes to the top regional team all clubs should be supporting the franchise and promoting their best young players to aspire to higher honours. I realise we have work to do to achive this but we are making good progress. For people who dont know me I am also involved in Wanderers during the winter.I have been President of Wanderers for that past 3 1/2 years but when it comes to Waikato matters decisions are made on the premises of what is best for Waikato FC.
 
It is essential we retain a national league presence in the Waikato. The National League is a very expensive league to participate in but the board is committed to ensuring this happens
 
Our current playing roster has yet to be finalised. We still have 8 places left to fill and we will be making announcements on more signings shortly
 
Brendon Coker
Waikato FC - Chair
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This is quite refreshing Brendon - thank you. I live in Welly but follow Otago - getting info from either of those franchises is like pulling the proverbial, but TW, at least, shows signs of improvement. I have watched the Waikato FC thread with great interest - it seems like Edge is a flawed genius - and we should not discard such talent just because he is a work in progress. If he gets people like you around him to guide him and support him it might be a nice few years ahead for Waikato FC. You are doing something right in Dairyland - Wood and Rojas are our two best products in the past two years or so.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's heartening to see this level of interest and passion about Waikato FC. Last Saturday's match opened up a lot of possibilities as to what Declan's squad may do this season, which doesn't promise to be dull. 
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Has Bunce gone to HBU ????
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hadn't heard that but he would be handy at the back for us. Think they are playing today in Taupo someone said.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yup, 2.30 kick off. Waikato have signed Hagan, from last week's trial, and Fulcher, Onehunga Sports keeper. In my opinion I'd still like to see Tommy start but good to have depth. I've heard that Nick Branch has gone to Team Wellington, sad because he is class 
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Hawkes Bay won 4-0.. Don't think Bunce would be back at HBU because they have pulled together a young squad with a couple of senior players so not sure, but still would be a positive sign. Yes Branch to Wellington
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