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The WaiBOP United Thread

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeff this is what i would do...

I would scrap Waikato FC...they dont offer this league much in regards to standards. They dont attract the best players in their region and they dont attract the best from Auckland to help them. I say for the benefit for the league they should be replaced by another auckland team so we get the best players possible playing in the ASB, because if we dont the game will die just like a few of the franchises seem to be doing...heading to the coffin.

Im not saying write of Waikato Fc in the future but they need to start all over again, get back into grassroots and rebuild then look to set themselves up, if that is possible in their region in terms of support and sponsership.

Thoughts?
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sorry I was more meaning from a point of view if you were running and keeping the team in Waikato

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
1-0 win V Canty, great result. Carr and Ednigton were immense, and Ballan was quite decent as well
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
6-1 loss to Waiatak! Bit embarrasing, thought the starting side was a bit weird. And Edginton's out for 2-3 months, a blow except for the fact there's only one game left
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I went and watched this and to be honest, Waikato were awful. They blamed the officials when they were clearly 6 goals the worse. Just no movement and no imagination.

I thought the ref was lenient to let Bale and Strom stay on the pitch for some nasty studs up tackles but it makes a change from others destroying it. The funniest thing I heard was a couple of Waikato 'kids' bitching because they never got a run. There is a reason they never got a run - because they are not good enough. What were they going to do - score 5 goals? Waitakere could argue they scored the Waikato goal because of a keeper fumble.

Just ordinary.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The problem is they keep thinking they can bring in players, win the league and get into the O=League. Never going to happen, it is about time they appointed a local coach with a 5 year plan. Get all the good young players and a sprinkling of senior players to play with them. Can see how the end result would be any worse than the last few years! Then we would see some development. Not going to achieve much or get much support from Waikato clubs if they can't identify with the coach or players.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well I'd say willy has done a decent job this year, hopefully he gets retained
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
really....
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
really....
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Well I'd say willy has done a decent job this year, hopefully he gets retained


4 wins from the season...
almost no local players at all...

how does this equate to a decent job?
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
MrWaikato wrote:
N-Bomb wrote:
Well I'd say willy has done a decent job this year, hopefully he gets retained


4 wins from the season...
almost no local players at all...

how does this equate to a decent job?
considering he had 3 weeks to get a squad together, and our main goal was to not finish last again, plus we were in the playoff contention right up until last week, definately signs of improvement
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Improvement on what....? Finishing bottom with Bunce hardly an improvement.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
MrWaikato wrote:
N-Bomb wrote:
Well I'd say willy has done a decent job this year, hopefully he gets retained


4 wins from the season...
almost no local players at all...

how does this equate to a decent job?
considering he had 3 weeks to get a squad together, and our main goal was to not finish last again, plus we were in the playoff contention right up until last week, definately signs of improvement
 
He'd had the squad together for the whole Northern Premier League season.

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yes, Waikato have a number of Bays players in their side, and yes Willy coaches both Waikato and Bays.
 
But I think on average, 4 players that played for Bays last year, start each game for Waikato, including the goal keeper.
 
Starting 4/11 players from one of the strongest winter sides in NZ (I know its a different level of competition, but you have to get your players from somewhere) can hardly be seen as unreasonable.
 
However I guess it is reasonable to question why you're not seeing the results that you want/expect.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
4/10 players from Bays. You gonna find that the other players not at Bays last year have mostly signed for this year. The other Auckland clubs must be pissed off..
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Soley wrote:
The problem is they keep thinking they can bring in players, win the league and get into the O=League. Never going to happen, it is about time they appointed a local coach with a 5 year plan. Get all the good young players and a sprinkling of senior players to play with them. Can see how the end result would be any worse than the last few years! Then we would see some development. Not going to achieve much or get much support from Waikato clubs if they can't identify with the coach or players.
Jeff this is a bit funny. Please tell me about Declan, Pamment, Edmondson, Roger, Bunce. All local coaches. You can't say give the local guys a crack because they have already been given a crack. With respect to Pamment and Edmondson, they were the only ones other than Willy that got them off the bottom of the table.
 
The reality is, the football player base in Hamilton is not strong enough to support a National League side out of Hamilton that will perform to a high standard (sans the ones that bugger off elsewhere like Aaron Scott). Its similar to other centres.
Dunedin, a bigger town, achieved nothing and that includes with CHR boys and imports they have bought in cause they don't have a player base.
Manawatu, same size town, have had some success but with imports/out of towners (Totori and the island boys, Raf and the Welly boys)
Hawkes Bay, a traditional strong hold of football under the NCR guise have yet to qualify. Wellington struggled for ages until they wised up and ditched Mick.
Canterbury have run hot and cold too.
 
The reality is the better players are in Auckland where the success is. It sucks to say that, and its a sad state, but its a reality.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Many people on here keep saying Waikato FC should get a local coach and use local players for 3 years and that will improve their team.  It might be worth noting that Willy didn't win much for Bays in his first few years of coaching them but he developed the youth well and recruited the odd experienced player and now has a very successful team.  I think Waikato have certainly improved from last year so maybe supporters should wait another 12 months before making up their minds as to whether appointing Willy was a good decision.  As for Waikato being ECB in disguise i think you will find that of a 15 man squad, around 6 players are from Bays.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Waikato are doomed...

There main problem is not players, it is money and financial backing. Forget the idea about local players in a local team for now, because without financial backing these local players wont have a team to play for. If you want sponsership you need to be winning and be seen as a franchise thats doing well. Unfortunatly Waikato have struggled for results so there is no interest or reason for any organisation or company to throw money into the club and advertise themselves.

Next problem yes....players...ive heard this and that about good clubs taking the regions best talent, well thats because there is no attraction to play locally, Waikato Fc isnt going to offer alot of opportunities to further youngs lads careers. Never going to play o-league or offer overseas experiences. Apart from Marco Rojas and Chris Wood not alot has come out the area latley.

Very little fans turn up, complete lack of interest in the franchise.

Having to ask NZ Football to help run the franchise over summer suggests to me it is near extinction.

Goodbye Waikato.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Glyn Taylor says there will still be 8 ASBP teams next year. So Waikato are safe unless they're going to shift and become North Harbour United or some such.

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Glyn Taylor is on a different planet!!!  The best years of this competition were th first two, since then the league has been in decline and h sits there thinking he is doing a great job. Madness.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Roger Rabbit wrote:

Apart from Marco Rojas and Chris Wood not alot has come out the area latley.

Yeah, they are both crap aren't they? You'd struggle to find any other region that has done better TBF.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nzowl wrote:
Glyn Taylor is on a different planet!!!  The best years of this competition were th first two, since then the league has been in decline and h sits there thinking he is doing a great job. Madness.


AGREE AGREE AGREE!

This bloke is hopeless! Does not promote the league, does little or nothing to help the clubs and is a miserable git while doing nothing. Everything you ask him seems such a hardship and he does nothing to help, simply getting grumpy or aggressive. Does he not realise that he is paid to sort these issues out??

He needs replacing by someone with some fresh (any) ideas and some enthusiasm to raise the standard and profile of all domestic competitions!!
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Couldn't agree more
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does anyone know if Waikato Fc will exist again next year and/or if Willie will be in charge again? Or is it too early for all of that information?
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they would be here next season. Willy is contracted to be coach, hope he stays on.
 
If we are around next season, with Alex Carr gone, we could do a lot worse than have Max Tommy as keeper, he looks very solid
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they would be here next season. Willy is contracted to be coach, hope he stays on.
 
If we are around next season, with Alex Carr gone, we could do a lot worse than have Max Tommy as keeper, he looks very solid
 
Does this mean Waikato FC have sorted out their finances then. 
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Word out is that the whole league may be in trouble - only Waiatak and Auck can afford a team. But lets wait and see
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Word out is that the whole league may be in trouble - only Waiatak and Auck can afford a team. But lets wait and see


Word out where? Dragons have signed same coach (Keith Braithwaite) who has now completed his time at Woolston Tech and have him, Alan Walker and Martin Stewart scouting players already. Invited players to start trialling in the next few weeks.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Word out is that the whole league may be in trouble - only Waiatak and Auck can afford a team. But lets wait and see


Seems we hear this every year.

There will be league in 2011/2012 and will be more that a two horse race. Youngheart Manawatu have Stu Jacobs on board as their coach this season. There have been rumours around for a while, started back in 2009, that Waikato may not be fronting up but turned out in 2010. As previous poster said Canty United starting to look at signing players so looks like they well be their. I hear Otago having a Board meeting some time this week.

I am sure if enough notice is given if a franchise does pull the pin there would be others willing to take their place.  
AllWhites822011-07-14 00:11:52
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Zoghby and Margetts picked up by Waitak - a bit weird
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Edmondson in, Grove and Gerdsen out due to financial reasons. Another horrible season coming up then
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hopefully Dave can talk the half of the Bay Olympic first team from the Waikato to play at home this summer. Hard News2011-08-01 15:02:22

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Edmondson in, Grove and Gerdsen out due to financial reasons. Another horrible season coming up then


Edmondson is a quality coach. Or were you being sarcastic?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well, I watched both Waikato FC seasons, the one with Willy and Rod, and the one with Dave, personally thought Willy and Rod did a better job with a harder job. I may be wrong though, hopefully he does alright. Plus, since I'm an HBHS student, he's been my PE teacher a couple of times, don't like him so maybe I'm just being biased. Either way, probably doesn't matter who we choose, with no funds, the special one himself would not turn us into a top 4 team
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Edmonson is of to Australia (visa permitting) to coach South Aussie women and Adelaide United women. good luck to him. Understood Declan Edge is going to take over, apparently this is bad. Waikato FC is a shambles :)
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
At least we'll have a season :). Funding came through, and games played at Porritt Stadium N-Bomb2011-09-05 15:05:19
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Waikato FC have announced some signed players, includes Kramer, Thomas, Samson, Lissette, Smith, Jones and - Jason Hicks! Now we just need Milos and Branch back for a second year, and wooden spoon avoided :)
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Great signings for Waikato!!! At last !!! Have also heard Scott, Williams and Gardyne set to sign in the next week?
Crazy decision from Thomas though, throwing away an opportunity to go to the World Club Championships with Auckland!
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