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The WaiBOP United Thread

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I thought Zucco looked alright, but not Phoenix level. I actually thought Luke Rowe looked quite good, better than Musa, definitely a Phoenix prospect
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Hi, FYI I have posted photos of yesterday's narrow defeat to Team Wellington at Porritt Stadium to my blog here: http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2012/02/06/waikato-chronicles/

Also done a bit of a review of Bruce Holloway's brilliant anthology of 20 years worth of Waikato football programme columns.Enzo Giordani2012-02-06 20:03:45
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I was at the game yesterday and found it to be a highly entertaining game. Waikatos second goal was absolute class, quality passing and movement for a number of passes before scoring. Unfortunately two  of Wellingtons goals came from naivety and mistakes.  Zucco got the first with a good finish after knocking the Waikato defender off the ball, was the only thing of note he did, after that he thought he could score from all sorts of ridiculous distances. As a whole it probably should have been a draw but unfortunately Wellington took their chance at the end. It would be good to see waikato shoot more from outside the box. I remember a couple of pretty decent goals pre season in Taupo scored from range. If you don't shoot you don't score.
 
Good to see improvement though, can't wait for the next home game.
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Soley wrote:
I was at the game yesterday and found it to be a highly entertaining game. Waikatos second goal was absolute class, quality passing and movement for a number of passes before scoring. Unfortunately two  of Wellingtons goals came from naivety and mistakes.  Zucco got the first with a good finish after knocking the Waikato defender off the ball, was the only thing of note he did, after that he thought he could score from all sorts of ridiculous distances. As a whole it probably should have been a draw but unfortunately Wellington took their chance at the end. It would be good to see waikato shoot more from outside the box. I remember a couple of pretty decent goals pre season in Taupo scored from range. If you don't shoot you don't score.
 
Good to see improvement though, can't wait for the next home game.
Totally agree! Waikato seem to have Arsenal syndrome. Only Jason Hicks really gives it a crack from outside the penalty area. And our goalscoring record isn't fantastic, I know it'd be nice walking every goal in, like the 2nd v Wellington, but sure is tough to do
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Waikato lose again. What a surprise.
"I think it's exciting times and other franchises are now looking at what we are doing. " - I highly doubt that.
"we won't be here to just make up numbers. We're not going to win the league and we may not next season, but that's the long-term goal." - Does he expect to have the same team in 2 years?
 
... Thoughts?
 
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Hi ASUS,

Ha ha. Boy, sure swept away some of my anger management issues to see you step up and take over responsibility for the efforts to spread the negativity virus around the Waikato. So take a bow.

Me and you know Declan is the devil incarnate for developing skilful young players. Now we just have to convince everyone else.

I must admit, I was getting worried there after a few weeks of good results, credible performances and praise that seemed to be coming from all over the place that Declan was actually doing a bloody good job in developing young players and rebuilding a Waikato team.

Like you, I was secretly delighted to see Waikato lose at home against Wellington � and over the moon when they got tanked 4-0 by Waitakere United last week.

Like you, I would absolutely hate to think other franchises have been impressed to see Waikato fielding a team of young homegrown talent developing as technically proficient players with a deep understanding of the game. Can�t have that. Not in our own backyard, anyway.

And I would certainly hate to think that his 16, 17, 18 and 19 year olds would still be playing in two years time. Yes, surely they will have retired by then.

So, overall, your posting has perked me up so much I checked back on some of your other offerings here.

They were a revelation. I simply LOVE the fact you want to see Dan Looker in the Waikato squad on the basis his volleyball background means he can jump real high. That is priceless and should really annoy Declan Edge. He has somehow overlooked talent like that? The media should be onto that. It had me gagging. Excellent.

And a really top effort to point out Declan�s kids � 15 & 16 at the time - lost to the Waikato U19s in 2010�. Let�s throw that in his face. That will really sting him. Yes! Gotcha, Declan! You are a proven failure and MUST GO!

Any YOU were the first � well, the only one, really - to point out that every other franchise was treating the White Ribbon Cup as a joke. While most people here were fooled by looking at the actual team lineups that weekend, you instantly cutting through that by, well, simply by knowing and assuming, I guess. (Lucky me and you are not answerable to the same need to justify and substantiate our football views as Declan is.)?

And you really really had me cheering with your assertion that BOP should have a team in the national league. That really stuck it to all those Doubting Thomases who are hung up about the fact the region can�t even manage to get a single club into the northern premier league. Like you, I far prefer prejudice over facts.

Well, ASUS, let�s me and you really ramp up discussion here, and mouth off some more to undermine things, shall we? I am sure you will agree with me, there is no law against ignorance, is there?

Anyway, LOVE your work. You are a treasure. Wish there were more like you in the BOP.

There are? Oh, brilliant. Let�s join forces to keep Waikato football angry and ignorant.
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If I didn't know better I would swear that was written by Bruce such is the style, context, structure. As you were.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Speaking of Bruce, where is he? Hes been rather quietly. Im sure hes got some new statistics/ view points/ financial figures to add to the conversation
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Waikato FC is playing Hawkes Bay this SATURDAY at Porritt Stadium at 2.00pm
 
This is the catch up game that has been cancelled twice due to the weather
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Big game for both sides, should be interesting.
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Agree. We are a 5th/6th side I think, and the battle for 5th will be with Hawke's Bay. I'd have us as favourites for this weekend, looking forward to attending
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Mr Angry, Mr Angry . . .

You make alot of assumptions about those who comment that the people at the top always make
Firstly you assume anyone and everyone who has a bad word to say or isn't a yes man is a hater.

i find that most people who express their feelings about Waikato FC  do so because they are passionate about football in the region, many freely give their time and money to the betterment of football even before the 'unbeaten' (dont get me started on what of think of that!) run in south africa.

we've had to toil though the 'new car' regime in the beginning to the sith driven management style where the need to control and make a penny or two from the regions most wealthy areas was key to the current regime of no acountability and unprofessional and unsuitable  people in key postions.

i for one would love to give my free time to a well run, organised and successful region but sadley that will not be the case for a while yet!  so i'll just carry on as per normal and keep my fingers crossed

oh and calling Declan the Devil incarnate is a touch harsh and i hope he has changed from the 'my boys could play for Barcalona' stage (by which he meant at that moment, not some time in the distant future)

so i typed a bit, said less not really made much sense . . . seem familiar

PS  on a serious note i congratulate you on the correctness in you use and knowledge of english.  somethong sadly lacking in most people (even sadder, me included)


never_surprised2012-02-16 12:12:39
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Just to clear things up myself and Mr Angry are two different people.
 
Declans new move is like the movie moneyball. Hes trying something new. Everyone around him has fired up because they think the idea is stupid but hes ignoring that and sticking with it (thumbs up for his persistance). Unlike the movie, his plan has failed. Hate to say i told you so but... i told you so.
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Uh oh, 2 nil down at halftime and this quote from the commentator on the NZFC website:

I can hear Declan Edge's half time talk from 50m away. He is furious. Sounds like furniture being kicked in the dressing room.

I let my guitar speak for me

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Probably the least entertaining 6 goal game I've ever seen.

It was a waste for the first half sticking our most creative player on the wing, things improved when Hicks moved in to the middle, but poor defending really lost us the game, the goals were just too simple.
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Recent chatter in the region about keeper selection. Danyon Drakes inclusion is consistent with the coach's criteria which is (in order of priority.
1 - Relative
2 - Part of Melville Academy
3 - Member of Melville club
4 - Merit
I think D D may fall into number 3.
BTW whats happened to Max Tommy, Dan Frishy, Mark Jones, Dave Samson, Ray How
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Humbug wrote:
Recent chatter in the region about keeper selection. Danyon Drakes inclusion is consistent with the coach's criteria which is (in order of priority.
1 - Relative
2 - Part of Melville Academy
3 - Member of Melville club
4 - Merit
I think D D may fall into number 3.
BTW whats happened to Max Tommy, Dan Frishy, Mark Jones, Dave Samson, Ray How


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I thought Danyon moved to Melville after his selection at Waikato?

Do you think Danyon is good enough humbug?

Fuck this stupid game

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He definitely can be good enough, but there was no reason to drop Fulcher. Maybe he took too many long goal-kicks or something :)

As for the Wanderers guys, I just think they couldn't be stuffed training 5 times a week under Declan
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To be eligible for selection players have to attend training.
 
Just ridiculous. Yet another example of how unfair and narrow minded Declan can be....
 
Add that to the  list, Humbug. :-)
 
 
 
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1-1 with Youngheart? That is pathetic. Youngheart as rubbish.
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Are they required to make all trainings...
 
I dont see whats wrong with Declan wanting to train 5 times a week. If the players are really serious and see a potential path way to a career in football still, then they should be training as much as possible.
 
I can understand why some older players who have given up that hope aren't keen. Add to that work commintments plus family and 5 times is a massice ask... but i'm not convinced Decla wouldn't have made allownaces for this.
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Why wouldn't a bunch of keen players attend training?
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TopLeft07 wrote:
I thought Danyon moved to Melville after his selection at Waikato?
Do you think Danyon is good enough humbug?


He's okay, barks at the players, suits kiwi style and acts as sweeper, suits the current coach. My point was "Fulcher has a blinder against Ak, dropped the following week for the new club signing".
From most accounts Tommy was the form keeper during the N/L winter league and played well in games I saw.
Good keeper prospect in area is a youngster named Towers, goes to school though
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Hello there.
 
I thought Fulcher has played as well as he ever has this season. I thought his performance against Auckland was the best I could recall from a Waikato FC custodian.
 
Having said that, i understand he was advised at the start of the campaign that at the end of the season Drake would be getting a run, and the coach was true to his word.
 
Drake started the season as effectively a fourth choice keeper behind Fulcher, Tommy, and Mouncher but has trained hard, blah blah.
 
Drake is more in the promising category than the proven category, as you would expect from someone his age. There is a prevailing view that in time he will be a very good keeper, though i think it's fair to say we haven't yet seen the proof at national league level.
 
As for Max Tommy, there were high hopes for him early on. He had a good winter but let himself down pre-season with some clunky performances - particularly the nightmare against Manwatu in taupo -  and then fell further from favour with some below-par showing for the waikato youth team.
 
But he too is young and may come again. Style-wise,I thought  he always looked uncomfortable with the ball at his feet, which is an important part of the modern game for a keeper. It was as if he had been brought up in the old school of keeping. He has good physical presence, but is kind of robotic in his movement.
 
Notwithstanding his howler whisky shot v Hawkes' Bay, Drake, by contrast, is generally very good on the ball.
 
Assuming Drake transfers to Melville at the end of the summer season, he will be vying with Matt Oliver for the keeping role, with Mouncher possibly in reserve if needed.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hahahaha Drake and Oliver.. Good luck Melville!
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All white rated as club's worst ever overseas signing
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10790893

Hahaha brilliant article!! The fact that Declan tries to take the footballing high ground makes it even more hilarious.What were County back then, Div 3? And he's still voted the worst ahead of these " 2 pass and shoot" players...says it all really...
"Always remember lads,one Evertonian is worth 20 Liverpudlians"...Brian Labone
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All white rated as club's worst ever overseas signing
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10790893

Hahaha brilliant article!! The fact that Declan tries to take the footballing high ground makes it even more hilarious.What were County back then, Div 3? And he's still voted the worst ahead of these " 2 pass and shoot" players...says it all really...


I am no fan of Declan's, mostly for his ridiculous self comparisons with Brisbane Roar, Barcelona and now Bilbao BUT this stupid abuse of him as the worst signing for Notts County is quite pathetic!
1. He was signed as a pro, how many of you 'haters' can say the same?
2. Being a good or bad player has little impact on coaching ability, simply look at Bryan Robson (excellent player, terrible coach) or Jose Mourinho (very average player, excellent coach)

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Possibly footballs most controversial person since Wynton...
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I dunno about being "a hater": I just think it's a funny article that's all...and as for "stupid abuse", well I think you're treating the article far too seriously.
Would Bryan Robson really be classified as a "terrible" coach? Two cup finals, two promotions, in charge of West Brom's miraculous survival a few seasons back. He's been a mixed bag sure, but terrible? How does that record compare to people like Christian Gross,Steve Bruce etc, who in my mind really are "terrible"?
Anyway, I seriously doubt that Robson did very much "coaching", as opposed to "managing". The two aren't necessarily the same.
"Always remember lads,one Evertonian is worth 20 Liverpudlians"...Brian Labone
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Fancy that, Dan Looker on for Harry Edge...
to those who expressed doubt in my man.. ef ya!
ASUS2012-03-11 15:46:25
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Another loss! I know results are Declan's last priority after playing fair and playing attractive football but seriously have we achieved anything this season?
As for playing fair, face to face with opposition coach at the end of the game????
And attractive football," keeping it at the back for 2-3 min then losing patience and launching it long" does not sound that attractive..

Poor season!
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ASUS wrote:



Fancy that, Dan Looker on for Harry Edge...
to those who expressed doubt in my man.. ef ya!


With all due respect!!!!!!
Dan Looker in a team that Tom Crawford can't make. They'll be rolling hysterically on the sunny side of the Kaimai's
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OK, I've finally seen it for myself - Declan and his team. Well I am impressed, they deserved a result today, they were 2-1 up with only about 15 minutes left to play. There is a lot of young talent in that side and Declan should be proud of what he's achieved with them to date [and I shook his hand and told him so after the game]. I'm not certain what happened near to and at full time but when HBu scored the winner, Greatholder walked from his dugout to Declan in his box and said something to him. First thoughts were that it might have been something derrogatory. One of the coachign staff brothers got up and started pointing and swearing at the HBU bench but I'm not sure he would have heard what was said as I was just as close as he was to the 2 coaches. At the end of the game Declan went straight to the HB bench and handshakes all round, he and Greatholder shook hands and there didn't appear to be any animosity between the two. The Waikato coaching brother started up again and Greatholder gestured that he didn't know what he was on about and then that c**k Adam Cowan put his spoke in and it was looking ugly for a while. No fisticuffs though.
 
 
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Dan Lookers physical build is what sets him apart from Tom Crawford and the other Waikato midfielders. Dont get me wrong Crawford is good, but Waikato already have enough small players. Wonder if Bruce was at the game, always love reading his comments.
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hello. Yes I was at the game. It would appear not to have been the same game the chap who did the gametracker for NZFC was at, however.
 
Waikato had the bulk of the posession in the first half and played some delightful football, with two fantastic goals, the first building on about 20 passes before Harry Edge threaded the ball through for Mohamed Awad to score.
 
Boys' second was a cracker with a number of quick passes before he was released and cut between the defender to finish.
 
Waikato's problem is they don't play so well when they haven't got the ball. They coughed up a couple of goals that were totally avoidable.
 
HB never kept the ball for more than a couple of passes--  but were quick on the break and managed more shots than Waikato, who still tend to overplay in the final third, in my opinion. Waikato regularly strung 20-25 passes together and were relaxed on the ball.
 
When in possession they are a delight to watch. Yes, they lost again - they still have to learn how to win - but the groundwork is being put in here for a very fine team. I've seen loads of Waikato teams lose at Park Island.
 
I left today quite happy with progress. I was proud to be a Waikato supporter today.
 
Waikato were very unlucky not to have had a penalty in the 90th minute when Jesse Edge was bundled over. But fiar play to HB, they got down the other end, and the lad curled in a good goal.
 
Margetts finish was also tidy from close range, though he can thank sloppy defending.
 
All in all an entertaining game, if frustratign from a Waikato perspective at the way it finished.
 
I am always hesitant to knock a fellow scribe, but from a Waikato perspective the NZFC match report was not really  reflective of the skill and style on the pitch.
 
But there you go.
 
Welcome alternate views from those who were present.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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What did you think of Dan Looker Bruce?
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By a quirk of family fate i was at this match.
 
Fair dues to Hawke's Bay for winning, but the football Waikato played and the goals they scored were fantastic. If they can cut out the defensive errors they will be very hard to beat.
 
Bruce is correct. Waikato had most of the ball. If is unfortunate the media report made such a mistake.
 
 
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As someone who has played most of there football in Auckland ( and a little in Hawkes Bay) I would say that match report was no less factual than say...... a Melville United one Bruce. You know that watching any game of football you can take from it what you want. Thats why there are many different opinions in the game and many points to argue about. If we all saw it the same there would be no need for a forum like this. What part do you disagre with?
Orlando although Waikato had most of the ball, was it good quality ball? or did they keep it in there half?
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