Still the best thread to read on yellowfever.
I let my guitar speak for me
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[QUOTE=Jeff Vader] Again you can't read so I'm really not going to explain myself twice....
You didnt explain the 1 st time, i'll put it down to you not knowing jack s...te about football.
You didnt explain the 1 st time, i'll put it down to you not knowing jack s...te about football.
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If he just got on with the job in a low key manner, he might find he is not targeted as much. The glasses, the quotes that (as HN said above) reek of randomness... I sometimes wonder if he is in it more for his ego than anything else but then there probably are not many more alternatives and then those that raise their hand.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jeff Vader]I agree Smithy. I don't think he cares how many people call him a t**ser, however this is possibly what leads people to take the gloss off of it being about the kids and football and making it about him, because of the way that he is. I don't think there is another coach as 'unique' (for lack of a derogatory word) as him in the league.
Like I said. You are a twat that can't read so I'll hold it against you. Do I need to underline it and bold it??Grumpy old bastard alert
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And to make it even easier for you since you can't read
I don't really have too much of an issue with what Declan is doing as such Angry
Like I said, no problem. Don't ask me to babysit you again cause you can't read.
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Been awol. Good result for Waikato on Sunday, can they back it up and beat HB again. Might venture down this week for a look.
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The Waikato FC vs Hawkes Bay game scheduled for Porritt today at 2pm has been called off. There has been heavy rain in Hamilton over the past 3 to 4 days which has left the pitch unplayable. The game will be rescheluded to another date later in the season
Brendon Coker
Waikato FC Chair.
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Surely there is more than one football pitch in Waikato? Melville? Ngaruawahia?
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hey muppet, try coming down to hamilton to see how all the pitches are after the rain. By the way, narra has just laid a new sand based pitch, so is not ready till april. Think before you touch a keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!
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hey muppet, try coming down to hamilton to see how all the pitches are after the rain. By the way, narra has just laid a new sand based pitch, so is not ready till april. Think before you touch a keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!
You really are a bit of a knob chasing me all over the forum... So in the entire Hamilton area, you can't find one football pitch to play the game on?? Very poor.Grumpy old bastard alert
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Dont need to chase you around the forum, just need to wait till you come back onto the waikato thread and make more idiot comments about waikato football, then your fair game. As ive said before if you cannot make sensible posts about football matters dont bother.
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Vader sounds like a hb united player
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It would not have been feasible to play the match at Gower park. It was also waterlogged. And unprepared.
The dearth of available football pitches in Hamilton over summer has long been a problem. And you can't just hire Waikato Stadium at 4 hours notice, even if you could afford it.
Postponement was the right thing to do. The weather was such that it would have made a mockery of the contest anyway.
Sometimes these things can't be helped. Its just sensible to be sensible.
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Thank you Bruce for answering the question. Unlike other retards, I now have an answer.
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Jeff I'll shout you a prossie if that's what it will take to release a bit of tension. Do you have anything else in your life apart from getting wound up on this forum?
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I don't really have too much of an issue with what Declan is doing as such Angry, its more when he opens his cake hole. If he just got on with the job in a low key manner, he might find he is not targeted as much. <snip>
I don't know Declan from a bar of soap but from what I have seen/heard of him, he doesn't give a toss how much he is targetted or not.
Fair play to the man for having a plan and sticking to it. Right or wrong (and for my money, there's more right in it than wrong).
Normo's coming home
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Declan best step it up in the 2nd half of the competition or there will be major issues!
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How? Its been stated by Coker that Declan is pretty much untouchable and this is the model going forward. What JD says is pretty much the issue that more than a few people have. It comes back to one key word - accountability.
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Hello there. I am sure Declan Edge cares about results. All coaches do. That is how they are ultimately judged.
And I certainly don�t think Declan is "untouchable" in his post. He�s already been sacked from this position once. Indeed, his tenure very much depends on him being able to sell the philosophies he believes in to people who administer the club, funders, and those who pay at the gate (although paying at the gate would arguably account for only a microscopic amount of total revenue).
Declan needs results as much as any coach in the league. Probably more-so, given there are an awful lot of people within the game hoping and just waiting for him to trip up.
If Waikato is perceived to be an embarrassment and lacking credibility, I would suggest he would not be re-appointed later this year. He is under as much pressure as anyone.
On the other hand, if he can produce entertaining, attractive and competitive football using 80 per cent or more of homegrown players with a nil budget, his efforts will be worthy of respect.
Declan has been charged with running a team which is broadly reflective of Waikato football.
This summer all players have either played their winter football in the Waikato, previously represented Waikato FC, or been products of the province. Declan operates under more constraints than any other national league coach, as far as I can tell. For example, nobody tells the Auckland and Waitakere coach they can�t pick whoever they bloody well like.
Waikato FC are thus perhaps more answerable to their base than most franchises. And Declan is no less accountable than any franchise coach.
There are a lot of things that need to be fixed up in Waikato football, but the good news is his approach does at least seem to have struck a chord with funding agencies, given we are now no longer hearing regular updates on how Waikato may have to pull out of the league.
Hope this helps.
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"On the other hand, if he can produce entertaining, attractive and competitive football using 80 per cent or more of homegrown players with a nil budget, his efforts will be worthy of respect"
Good reasoned comments as always Bruce:it's always nice to read observations that are well thought out and backed with facts,rather than emotional ranting that is centred around Mr Edge himself.
Having said that,looking at the criteria you expect Edge and his team to be judged by,I feel they are failing on most counts.Waikato certainly aren't competitive,apart from the odd spell in a game and the issue of attractive/entertaining football is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.Frankly,teams that play neat little triangles in their own half and little else,aren't for me ,attractive to watch:there must be an end product;this appears to be lost on Waikato's coach.In summation,I would say that Waikato is neither competitive nor entertaining,and that the type of "attractive football",that Mr Edge espouses, definitely is open to interpretation.Perhaps the term "effective football" might be worth considering if he's retained next season...
Good reasoned comments as always Bruce:it's always nice to read observations that are well thought out and backed with facts,rather than emotional ranting that is centred around Mr Edge himself.
Having said that,looking at the criteria you expect Edge and his team to be judged by,I feel they are failing on most counts.Waikato certainly aren't competitive,apart from the odd spell in a game and the issue of attractive/entertaining football is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.Frankly,teams that play neat little triangles in their own half and little else,aren't for me ,attractive to watch:there must be an end product;this appears to be lost on Waikato's coach.In summation,I would say that Waikato is neither competitive nor entertaining,and that the type of "attractive football",that Mr Edge espouses, definitely is open to interpretation.Perhaps the term "effective football" might be worth considering if he's retained next season...
"Always remember lads,one Evertonian is worth 20 Liverpudlians"...Brian Labone
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When do they play in Auckland next ?? Might go and have a look
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Waikato FC's rescheduled home match against Hawke's Bay has again been postponed.
The match was due to be played at 2pm today (Sunday January 8) after being deferred from December 18.
But Porritt Stadium is again under water following an unseasonal storm.
A new date has yet to be set.
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You have to admit that this is a little bit ridiculous...
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You have to admit that this is a little bit ridiculous...
Yes but with your powers you may wish to repair the weather system so football never gets effected.Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
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From what I hear coming out of Hamilton is the council should be shot. They have apparently spent alot of money on porritt the last three years and it is no better off. The fact there are no pitches is good to see the council supporting football instead of the super successful rugby team(s) they have.
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I was up that way a couple of years back and went to watch some mates play in the middle of winter and I couldn't believe the state of the pitches. Compared to Wellington which clearly sees worse weather they were a disgrace.
I saw 3 or 4 different parks with huge mud puddles in the middle of them. The worst in Flagstaff which you would think as a new park and community would at least have had a decent job done on it.
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From what I hear coming out of Hamilton is the council should be shot. They have apparently spent alot of money on porritt the last three years and it is no better off. The fact there are no pitches is good to see the council supporting football instead of the super successful rugby team(s) they have.
You do need to remember this is primarliy the "Off season" for football and they are unlikely to have parks prepared allover the place just in case it rains and the main ground is unplayable. Other sports Cricket, Softball, Athletics touch rugby, would probably have a fair amount of grounds "booked"
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Yeah that got covered last time the game was called off. I can respect it is offseason but they can't find just 1 ground that can be marked and posted with a couple of hours notice? If you take the standard 2pm kick off, and Bruce was posting at 8:30am, that kinda leaves them 4 hours. Surely just 1... Ngaruawahia's is football only, why couldn't that be as a standby if the weather looks rubbish for the weekend. It just needs goals, markings, nets and corner flags. Is that really a big ask or am I a bit deluded more than normal.
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It is Hamilton we are talking about!
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Just remove Waikato FC! i mean apparently winning isnt even important down their anymore. Do we really want teams in the competition who dont want to win the league or achieve anything? what a shambolic franchise!
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Hello. A few comments.
Generally I think our Hamilton grounds are, on average, the worst and most neglected in the northern region.
For decades Hamilton has had some of the finest roundabout flowerbeds in the world, while our parks have suffered.
I do think it is slowly changing in terms of recognition of the problem, but even that has been offset by the financial pickle the council is in after the V8s debacle. the cutbacks could even see our groundsman at Gower Park made redundant.
As a code we are going to have to get a lot more politically active. And a lot louder. I remember the council Parks & Gardens manager telling me four years ago Melville United were responsible for 80 per cent of complaints to his department.
"That's good," I replied. "Expect it to be higher next year."
Having said that, our weather events have become increasingly unpredictable and even with the very best of care, it would simply not be possible to play in some situations.
One of the reasons we switched to summer was so we didn't have these weather hassles, remember?
In Hamilton last year june/July rainfall was above 120 per cent of its usual level (by comparison in terms of weather events, Wellington's July rainfall was between 50-79 per cent of a normal July, according to Niwa data).
As for Waikato and Porritt Stadium... I spoke with longstanding wanderers members on Sunday morning. They said the pond of water in front of the grandstand would certainly drain within a few hours - but forthe fact that it was that it was still pissing down, with the forecast for more rain. that was the underlying issue.
Other parts of the ground were also waterlogged - as you can expect with sustained rain over such a long period.
Could the match have been shifted? One of my colleagues told me they could have held the America's Cup at Gower Park. But even if not bad there, it is doubtful it could have been mowed and marked in time on a Sunday in early jan.
My understanding is that Centennial Park (Ngaruawahia) will not be back in commssion until April.
Apart from which, there is a significant amount of work involved in switching venues at such late notice and preparing a pitch to the requisite criteria standard at this time of year.
And imagine how HB would have felt if they had travelled all the way to hamilton for a 1.30pm decision NOT to play the match. Apart from anythign else it would have blown the league travel budget.
It's an interesting poser though; what would your national league team do in terms of alternate arrangements if you woke up on the morning of the match and found your home ground under water? How many set-ups are equipped for a seamless transfer? Appreciate feedback from people (preferably those who have rolled their sleeves up and know what is involved).
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Cheers for the comments Bruce. I have been to Hamilton a few times over the years and dare I say Porritt used to be a fantastic venue for football. It would appear in recent years it has been neglected and to be honest is quite embarrassing for those involved. On it's day (fine weather permitting) Gower can be an ok ground. I assume you guys pay for the privilege of using inadequate facilities. Both clubs should threaten to stop paying for the ground usage as I can't see how either are getting their moneys worth. I can even remember coming to Hamilton 3 years ago ? when Wanderers were playing on their training pitch because the middle of Porritt was being worked on. Was actually quite good with the fence around it and plenty of grass, not that you could play national league on it of course.
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all over the world games get called off when wicked weather strikes, so this is hardly an unusual occurrence.
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[QUOTE=Bruce Holloway]
the cutbacks could even see our groundsman at Gower Park made redundant.
You must be joking Bruce. Is grass in his job description?
the cutbacks could even see our groundsman at Gower Park made redundant.
You must be joking Bruce. Is grass in his job description?
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Hello. The council�s parks and gardens unit is facing the biggest trim in council cutbacks, where more than $35m is due to be cut from the budget in the next 10 years
News reports suggest up to 10 per cent of Hamilton City Council's full-time staff could be axed over the next two to three years.
More than two dozen jobs will remain under threat until service reviews are settled in June, and another 17 definitely going this year to save money.
The council has 859 full-time equivalent staff, a figure expected to fall below 800.
What may happen is that designated park groundsmen lose their jobs and are replaced by rip, sh*t and bust contractors who are a cent cheaper and provide a far inferior end product.
It's a worry
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great result today beating Otago 2 0 well done declan and the boys
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Seems like we controlled the game and deserved the two late goals, a nice win
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Well vader, whats your excuse for this result?????? 
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worst game of football i've seen in a while, nobody deserved to win that, Waikato were the better team in the last 20mins to be fair but they really need to have a few more shots on goal instead of trying to walk it in...
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