Liverpool Thread - Premier League Champions* 2019/20 (Part 2)

Last I checked...

Top 3 straight 100 / 1

Top 3 any order 33 / 1 

Top 4 straight 250 / 1

Tempting?

or maybe Rodgers first Premier League Manager for sack at 7 / 2 Fav ;-)

What site did you see those odds on?

This is the page for the Top 3 straight (still 100/1 in places)....Click "all" for more bet types etc  ..Can get Rodgers at  5 /1  - I actually think that's still poor value & much as it pains me to say it, I think Liverpool .......oh no, I just cant get the words out :-)

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premie...

All the talking, gossip and banter come to a head this weekend. LFC is back!! 

Can't wait!

Still not sure about playing a lone man up front and resorted to the long ball a touch too much but a win to start the season in a tricky fixture.

Milner & Clyne impressed me the most (Coutinhio's wonder goal aside). Gomez was a gamble and had a few shaky moments but did well for a kid who only started 18 or 19 Champo games last season.

A tough away run coming up so need to back up and take another 3 points from Bournemouth next. 

Fantastic weekend. A win, an amazing goal, obviously not the performance to get too excited about, but a win away at Stoke, when last season we were smashed. New signings integrating and early season jitters were there to see.

Also Arsenal and Tottenham lost. Chelsea, Everton, and Southampton drew their games, only if United lost or drew, but spurs losing is pretty good. Just need a good performance from WBA against City to complete a great first week.

So what are everyone's thoughts for the next game? I'd like to see what is considered our strongest team put out so they can start to gel against premiership opposition. Not sure if we'll see Lucas in a Liverpool shirt again and question marks over Sakho but the team for me would be:

Mingolet

Clyne     Skrtel     Sakho     Gomez

Can

Henderson                           

                              Milner

Firmino                             Coutinho

Benteke

I definitely wouldn't be so quick to sell Lucas! I get it, with the addition of Milner etc but BR is still trying to work out his best mid combo and having the rock as a backup seems like a good idea. Long season etc. Mostly agree with what you have above but think it will be Can on the left.

2 in 2 - no goals conceded. We'll take it...

Yep and Benteke scoring nice and early which hopefully leads to plenty more. Obviously not quite the smoothest as yet but this morning there were glances of what could be once the combinations become more familiar. Coutinho is just so good to watch at the moment, in a different class. 

Pretty early but not convinced on firmino as yet. Bit slow on the ball and this morning looked quite lazy in the defensive shape, commentator mentioned that Rogers was giving him a barracking. Hopefully comes right, took coutinho a while to settle in as well

"Pulling a Man U" - defined as; playing like complete shark and somehow getting away with the points.

Grinding results is something that the best teams do consistently. When we can play with flair but then learn to grind when required, we'll be a much better team. Hopefully some green shoots...

Yea fair enough be nice with more end product but the same could be said of all except Messi and Ronaldo. However his general play at the moment is brilliant, somehow always seems to be on the turn and creating something.

Check out the new thread for Wellington EPL supporters. We're taking the lead on this as the Wellington LFC supporters club.

Threads for Reds

EDIT: details for LFC vs Arsenal are now up on that thread.

For the full release, see our LFC Wellington website.

Just a reminder, when (if) you come along to The Pub tomorrow we'll be collecting food items for the Wellington City Mission.

At the moment they are after spreads, tinned fish/meat, muesli bars, raisins, instant noodles, cereals and tinned fruit, veges and soup.

Bring along what you can!

Delusional much? 

So, pretty quiet in here after what I thought was a pretty good effort by us.

3 months after getting destroyed 6 - 1 by Stoke, we haven't conceded a goal in 3 games (two of them away from home) and have 7 points from 9.

Sure, there are areas of concern...will the defence hold against teams like Chelsea and City and yes, we still have had plenty of moments of panic but for me, Mingolet seems much more in control of his box and his defenders, Clyne is a great signing and Gomez is a revelation (he will have a bad run at some point, he's young).

Goals aren't coming freely BUT we are creating plenty of chances with more ease, something we didn't do last season and I think this is largely down to Coutinho's continued rise and the ability for Milner to find space and direct traffic around him. 

Benteke is a great forward to have players running off of him and we have already seen glimpses of his ability and he will only get better the more familiar he gets with those behind him.

We're still not the complete product but we're working with it and the quality youth players are getting a crack. At one point during the Arsenal game, we had 3 under 19 players on the pitch at the same time. Good signs for the season and increasing depth. 

Yay us! 

Who was the third under 19 player, I know about Rossiter and Gomez...

Yes, credit where it's due for BR - he is bringing through a few youngsters from the Youth setup.

Jordan Ibe - my error, he is 19. I should have said under 20 ;)

Rossiter is a proper little Stevie G - been at the club since he was 6!

Nah, I think Arsenal were the better team and probably did deserve the win

In fairness you came with a gameplan and ended up executing it extremely well.

If Mourinho goes to the Emirates and does that it would be considered the perfectly executed game plan, if only Benteke polished his shot off.

Your back four definitely light years ahead of last year. You can see it in their general shape and positioning.

Both teams had chances to win it and enjoyed periods of dominance. Arsenal enjoyed the most possession and most shots, we had more shots on target and more corners. They play a careful, possession and passing style but lacked the killer last pass and we play more direct and were guilty of a few poor first touches.

I'd call the game straight down the middle - but for Petr Cech and may have won, but for an excited linesman and they may have won.

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I'm having a discussion about our team that led to a post from someone else referring to the game from just yesterday Paulm (you remember watching that game or do you just follow the Arsenal tweets for your footballing opinion?). 

You seem determined to drag on the argument from the Gooner thread of Make-believe. Just because someone has a differing opinion to yours, it doesn't make them wrong - it's just a shame you always assume you are right. 

"Keyboard Warrior"

"1. A Person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence (owning to their physical weakness, lack of bravery and/or conviction in real life), instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that the Keyboard Warrior would not (for reasons previously mentioned) be able to give form to in real life."

I don't tend to take lessons from Urban Dictionary but can understand why Arsenal fans, sponsored by Google Search, would. 

The argument was done with, moved on, I was discussing the game, in the LFC thread with a United fan and you chose to re-ignite it. You're either a keyboard warrior or a troll and possibly both. 

You can carry on trying to provoke me into saying something that gets me a wrist slap or you can grow up and move on. 

Straight down the middle (f you completely ignore the fact you were given a lifeline (AGAIN) with legitimite onside goal ruled out.)

Bad calls go both way - at no point have I argued that the Arsenal 'goal' was offside - I agree that it was a bad call but it's all chaos theory. An early goal may have caused panic for Liverpool and ended up with a thumping and it could just have well spurred them onto being more clinical and relentless in attack. Calling a games balance based on one event is short sighted. 

• Fact - Arsenal dominated possession 
• Fact - Liverpool had more shots on target
• Fact - Arsenal had more shots overall
• Fact - Liverpool had more corners
• Fact - scoring an early goal does not equate to winning a game.

In the same way you can't call it based on one event, you can't judge a game and completely gloss over the biggest moment in it to suit your perspective.

Anyway, a draw it is in the end; no matter what bad calls led up to it. We'll move on - it's all semantics at this point.

Not glossing over it at all. After the bad call, Liverpool could have easily ended up leading into halftime 3 - 0 up but for some brilliant Cech keeping and scrambling (in the best sense of the word) Arsenal defence. But it didn't.

A majority of the football media called the game Liverpool's way afterwards and that we were unlucky yet I'm tending towards the 50/50 as mentioned. I think both teams were lucky and unlucky. A 0 - 0 draw of that quality will always throw up discussion over 'who bossed it'. Both teams did, in different ways and for equal portions of the game. 

Ok so what is the meaning of it then? Please enlighten me. 

Liverpool's new-look front 3, which is meant to lead them to glory, couldn't even score against a makeshift Arsenal defence. 

A disallowed, legitimite goal is not the same as a great save to keep a player out. Sorry.

I agree that it was relatively even, but Arsenal fans have some justification to feel hard done by because of the outrageously poor reffing decision.

Honestly, I'm surprised it wasn't a high scoring affair with our 2 CB's out and Chambers having a wonky one.

There are no formal definitions, only informal ones. In your case, I've used it to refer to your ridiculous, unneccesary trolling. Being there is no formal definition, it can be applied as best suits a situation.